Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: groundhog on May 23, 2008, 08:51:01 pm
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As I said on the slx thread I have now posted 3 clips of the Harris pole in action on youtube!! I don't know how to do a link so if you want to see them you will have to go onto youtube and type in 'harris pole' Have a look and make up your own mind about the harris pole!
Please don't post anything derogatory on youtube as my son uploaded the videos for me and he will see it (he's 9)!
So please feel free to comment on this thread. :)
Cheers!!
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Here are the links direct:
Harris pole in action: www.youtube.com/watch?v=r76dQeCJPMg
Harris pole take two: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce80rar7qBw
Harris pole take three: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBaE16F7lFQ
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Blimey, Mr Whippy? :o
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Blimey, Mr Whippy? :o
just thinking this my self quick or what how long you been doing it for can i down load these on my pc if you can how do i do it
are those fan or pencil ?
do you get any probs doing them that quick ie runs spots ?
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There fans and i`m quicker lol,that`s the sort of speed you want to be cleaning at.At the speed he was doing it you can get faultless results everytime providing you use enough water,and i still think it`s a C*** pole.If you got yourself an SLX or similar you would be even quicker,a shorter collapsed pole enables you to work in tighter spaces.
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Got to go that fast - he can't shut the water off at the pole. Even the lawn gets a wash, the brickwork and any byestanders in the line of fire. ::)
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I am thinking there, problems problems problems.
half the top are not ever touched corners???????
not touching frames ::)
maybe why wfp has a bad name :-X ::)
what are you powering your water with sounds like a monster :-\
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I am thinking there, problems problems problems.
half the top are not ever touched corners???????
maybe why wfp has a bad name :-X ::)
Rubbish i clean like that daily and never get problems,the only problem you`ll get is you`ll earn more money.
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I am thinking there, problems problems problems.
half the top are not ever touched corners???????
maybe why wfp has a bad name :-X ::)
Rubbish i clean like that daily and never get problems,the only problem you`ll get is you`ll earn more money.
I need to come and watch you work m,8, from where I am sitting they cant be clean I maybe worng but I know when I have cleaned a house the frames and windows are dirt free. if you watch the film corners on glass are missed watch and you will see.
as I said could be well wrong, and would loove to come and see you doing it. what do you say I dont mind the drive
Ian
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Hi mbs, no they come up perfect, although I wasn't really trying to be quick in those clips, I was just demonstrating that the Harris pole is an excellent pole. The houses in the clips are cleaned on a monthly basis and it dosn't take much to get them spotless! You are quite welcome to copy them if you like mate. They are fan jets, although I have only just started using them, I have always used pencil jets before and haven't made up my mind which I prefer. :)
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Okay i think you proved your point. Well done to your son for putting it up.
The pole was whippy, the closed lenght was a bit long for downs, and you lost time with the clamps. The 17' xtel is better with four sections and better clamps if a little more expensive.
I thought your technique was okay and similar to how i do it in terms of time although I have the safety net of being hot.
Ps fan jets are a must for rinse on
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Your welcome anytime Ian,if you clean like that you must do the initial clean properly ie frames and sills.What he`s doing there is a clean that is maintaining everything,if you watch he`s putting water over the sills and frames quickly which if you do everytime is enough.If the windows bead and you use enough water you don`t even need to rinse.
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I am thinking there, problems problems problems.
half the top are not ever touched corners???????
not touching frames ::)
maybe why wfp has a bad name :-X ::)
what are you powering your water with sounds like a monster :-\
The house in the first clip is cleaned on a monthly basis inside and out, so I get to check that they are cleaned properly, and believe me they are spotless! 8)
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Hi mbs, no they come up perfect, although I wasn't really trying to be quick in those clips, I was just demonstrating that the Harris pole is an excellent pole. The houses in the clips are cleaned on a monthly basis and it dosn't take much to get them spotless! You are quite welcome to copy them if you like mate. They are fan jets, although I have only just started using them, I have always used pencil jets before and haven't made up my mind which I prefer. :)
how do i copy these to my pc any help
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Got to go that fast - he can't shut the water off at the pole. Even the lawn gets a wash.
On the last link it is a full 30 seconds before the window is even started being cleaned, with quite a lot of water wasted. Groundhog, see how you are rushing between windows because your water is spraying from the brush all the time? This is when accidents can happen, tripping over stuff etc. If you had an Autobrush you would not have to rush between windows, and you would be able to clean lots more window in the day, with the same amount of water you use just now.
Peter
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Your welcome anytime Ian,if you clean like that you must do the initial clean properly ie frames and sills.What he`s doing there is a clean that is maintaining everything,if you watch he`s putting water over the sills and frames quickly which if you do everytime is enough.If the windows bead and you use enough water you don`t even need to rinse.
soon as I get work back to normal, I would love to come and watch m8 if you dont mind.
Ian
p.s I am not saying this way of cleaning is wrong I just dont do it that way, and I am more than willing to learn and teach employee's ways to make me more money in the same time frame. there wages go up, all happy.
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Don't think an employee is going to want to rush around like that all day somehow, unless you touch him with a cattle prod! ;D
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Don't think an employee is going to want to rush around like that all day somehow, unless you touch him with a cattle prod! ;D
LOL,the only person you`ll get to work like that is yourself or blokes on a work completion bonus.
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Peter I'll buy an auobrush to try. How much are they.
At the mo I use vikan rectangular mono with fans. Will your brush fit straight on my pole.
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Peter I'll buy an auobrush to try. How much are they.
At the mo I use vikan rectangular mono with fans. Will your brush fit straight on my pole.
Not cheap. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D only kidding Pete.
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Am i the only person who uses a valve on my hip? I regulate the flow when required, and shut the water off between windows and whilst extending or retracting the pole?
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Peter I'll buy an auobrush to try. How much are they.
At the mo I use vikan rectangular mono with fans. Will your brush fit straight on my pole.
Not cheap. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D only kidding Pete.
Cheap is not always good in anything, some times it can be but others no.
I could not work out the site hence why I have not tried it as yet, but I know it was being changed some that comment means nothing.
Ian
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I use gas valves but am changing all my poles over to triggers as i have been using one on one of my poles now for a couple of months and find it better.
Where in B&Q are these harris poles is it the decorating section or the cleaning section as our has poles in both sections.
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Decorating.
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I use gas valves but am changing all my poles over to triggers as i have been using one on one of my poles now for a couple of months and find it betterd.
Where in B&Q are these harris poles is it the decorating section or the cleaning section as our has poles in both sections.
decorating, harris as far as I am aware dont do cleaning
Ian
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Groundhog, what brush are you using in the clips?
Arthur
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Thanks jeff and ian i will grab one this weekend
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Am i the only person who uses a valve on my hip? I regulate the flow when required, and shut the water off between windows and whilst extending or retracting the pole?
I've only just caught on to your earlier comment and rewatched the video. From what I could see groundhogs pump and water is going from the moment he walks away from the van. His idea of skimping on everything is really quite expensive.
Hip, no. There is a better solution, a harness that goes over the head. (nicked the idea from Ian giles). This also ties in with my using an electric reel.
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Peter I'll buy an auobrush to try. How much are they.
At the mo I use vikan rectangular mono with fans. Will your brush fit straight on my pole.
Normally £69, but I do a reduction of £10 for my customers. You can have one at the discounted price if your interested. A bit dearer than a standard brush but there is a lot of work goes into making one up, not to mention all the extra parts involved which are engineered, as they can't be bought off the shelf.
I can set one up to fit any pole, but I take it yours will have the black plastic screw thread? It would come with a black angle joint and fan sprays, and it would have a hose-tail end to fit any hose.
Peter
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Peter I'll buy an auobrush to try. How much are they.
At the mo I use vikan rectangular mono with fans. Will your brush fit straight on my pole.
Normally £69, but I do a reduction of £10 for my customers. You can have one at the discounted price if your interested. A bit dearer than a standard brush but there is a lot of work goes into making one up, not to mention all the extra parts involved which are engineered, as they can't be bought off the shelf.
I can set one up to fit any pole, but I take it yours will have the black plastic screw thread? It would come with a black angle joint and fan sprays, and it would have a hose-tail end to fit any hose.
Peter
Peter, can you send me an invoice for one please to design@
I will take the discount aswell :)
my thoughts are if you dont try you dont know, and for that price I could well make that back in a day so worth a try.
Ian
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so what do I do order one off your site?
Yes i have black angle adjusters on the end of my poles.
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Peter, can you send me an invoice for one please to design@
I will take the discount aswell :)
my thoughts are if you dont try you dont know, and for that price I could well make that back in a day so worth a try.
Ian
Ian, would it be to the email address in your profile? It may not pay for itself in a day though.
Peter
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I'm quite surprised about all the posts saying that I am cleaning the windows too quickly! I was not trying to clean quickly, in fact I normally clean these houses much quicker and I will post a clip next week on cleaning quickly if you like, I was simply trying to demonstrate that the harris pole is a very affective pole, and that it is not neccessary to spend a fortune on a pole!!
I would be interested to compare if an slx or facelift user could post a clip of their pole in action!!!
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Peter, can you send me an invoice for one please to design@
I will take the discount aswell :)
my thoughts are if you dont try you dont know, and for that price I could well make that back in a day so worth a try.
Ian
Ian, would it be to the email address in your profile? It may not pay for itself in a day though.
Peter
design@ windowwashers.co.uk
profile email is only for people to chat with me on msn, you are welcome to add wicks1976@hotmail.com to you messenger would be interesting speaking with you.
Ian
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so what do I do order one off your site?
Yes i have black angle adjusters on the end of my poles.
No that's set up to charge £69, if you wanted I could send you one along with an invoice for payment. I would need your address, you can email me it if you want at peter@window-tools.com
Peter
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I'm quite surprised about all the posts saying that I am cleaning the windows too quickly! I was not trying to clean quickly, in fact I normally clean these houses much quicker and I will post a clip next week on cleaning quickly if you like, I was simply trying to demonstrate that the harris pole is a very affective pole, and that it is not neccessary to spend a fortune on a pole!!
I would be interested to compare if an slx or facelift user could post a clip of their pole in action!!!
Ghog, (dont know you name sry) surprised at speed to be honest I take alot longer, would love to see clip quicker and then a clip same windows cheacked after the quick clean.
Ian
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I will send my email address as well if possible. I was waiting until end of June to buy with the new pole as well, but could do with the brush sooner.
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I'm quite surprised about all the posts saying that I am cleaning the windows too quickly! I was not trying to clean quickly, in fact I normally clean these houses much quicker and I will post a clip next week on cleaning quickly if you like, I was simply trying to demonstrate that the harris pole is a very affective pole, and that it is not neccessary to spend a fortune on a pole!!
I would be interested to compare if an slx or facelift user could post a clip of their pole in action!!!
I know the feeling groundhog. I was expecting you to be cleaning much faster. But do you understand what I mean about rushing between windows, and wasting all that water??
Peter
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Peter \I have just send email to you, reply to design@ ;)
Ian
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me too
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Did you clean trad before going over to wfp? I just wonder how good those windows could really look upon close inspection after such a quick clean. On the first video, the second upstairs window (in the middle) doesn't get a rinse.
I'm just curious. These have given me a glimmer of hope that WFP is quicker after all!!
I'm just doing the 2nd clean with wfp (after trad) and I'm still taking ages about it coz I don't want to leave a pants finish!
I like the idea of fan jets too. What are the pro's and cons? Also are they easy to change over? I guess they're threaded.. is that right or are they glued?
J
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I'm not here to comment on Groundhogs techniques, as the title says Harris pole in Action, so I'll keep to the topic.
I started to train my eldest daughter up some 6 weeks back now to do wfp, she suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome (if that's what its called and how its spelt?) but she was having problems with my hybrid Xtel, so after some discussion on the academy about the Harris pole, I decided to go out ang buy one, I ended up buying the 3m and the 5m ones, I covered the 5m one with Red heat shrink to match my company colours, so it looks the part.
My daughter has given this pole top marks for weight, and ease of use, she was occasionally having problems with the clamps sticking, but I put that down to being new, so I treated the threads of the clamps with graffite powder and everything is now going well with the Harris pole.
After all her training, today was the first time I let her go off to different customers on her own, she used it with the backpack on a trolley, at the end of the day we tallied up the amount of Jobs we did and our days takings, I have to admit I was impressed with her effort and she used the Harris pole all day, so she paid for the pole many times over today, the pole preformed very well and for £14:99 it has to be a fantastic pole for any newcomers into wfp, if it lasts 3/6 months who can complain at that price.
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Did you clean trad before going over to wfp? I just wonder how good those windows could really look upon close inspection after such a quick clean. On the first video, the second upstairs window (in the middle) doesn't get a rinse.
I'm just curious. These have given me a glimmer of hope that WFP is quicker after all!!
I'm just doing the 2nd clean with wfp (after trad) and I'm still taking ages about it coz I don't want to leave a pants finish!
I like the idea of fan jets too. What are the pro's and cons? Also are they easy to change over? I guess they're threaded.. is that right or are they glued?
J
Me too and I am wfp
I will be looking into this and will post my findings
Ian
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Jewel the second window on the first clip is a bathroom window so it is frosted glass, that is why it didn't need to be rinsed!
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Harris pole can't be any worse than an Extender. Five weeks mine lasted after impregnating me with fibreglass shards it wore itself out.
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Groundhog, what brush are you using in the clips?
Arthur
Just incase you missed my question ;D
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Honestly th windows and frames are absolutely spotless on these windows, I have 150 customers on this estate and have been cleaning them for 4 years now, and have never lost any, except a few that have moved, I charge a good price for my work and they are all very happy!
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Harris pole can't be any worse than an Extender. Five weeks mine lasted after impregnating me with fibreglass shards it wore itself out.
The 3m one is fiberglass but the 5m is aluminum also the clamps are different on the two sizes.
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Groundhog, what brush are you using in the clips?
Arthur
Just incase you missed my question ;D
just bumping this question
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Groundhog, what brush are you using in the clips?
Arthur
Just incase you missed my question ;D
Art it is a vikan brush with fan jets, I don't know which one though as I have had it for ages, I bought it to convert an unger pole into a wfp pole a couple of years ago, but the unger pole was crap, unlike the harris which is great!! :)
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Honestly th windows and frames are absolutely spotless on these windows, I have 150 customers on this estate and have been cleaning them for 4 years now, and have never lost any, except a few that have moved, I charge a good price for my work and they are all very happy!
Cool, that's really reassuring.
How many cleans before I can whip round that fast?> Obviously I'm still getting to grips with WFP after many years with trad.
Also, I bottled out of cleaning with WFP the other day and got the ladders out for one job coz it was a one off/first clean, with painted georgian style windows (small panes). The paint wasn't flaky, but not in great shape, and also putty had cracks in it, I thought this is gonna run like mad after I leave. What would you have done (any other's opinion appreciated too!)
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What is going on here?
Just how do you get decent results?
Most panes received only 2 strokes.
No rinsing off the pane
More time was spent on cleaning a white door than some of the glass units.
If the customer is happy then fine but I'd go ballistic if I caught any of mine going at it like that, it was like a re-run of the ionics tape of how to do a 3 bed detached, plus con sides, plus con roof in 12 minutes.
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Groundhog, what brush are you using in the clips?
Arthur
Just incase you missed my question ;D
Art it is a vikan brush with fan jets, I don't know which one though as I have had it for ages, I bought it to convert an unger pole into a wfp pole a couple of years ago, but the unger pole was crap, unlike the harris which is great!! :)
Thanks mate. I actually bought one a week before you posted that origional thread asking Dai how to convert it.
So you saved me posting the same question :)
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Honestly th windows and frames are absolutely spotless on these windows, I have 150 customers on this estate and have been cleaning them for 4 years now, and have never lost any, except a few that have moved, I charge a good price for my work and they are all very happy!
Cool, that's really reassuring.
How many cleans before I can whip round that fast?> Obviously I'm still getting to grips with WFP after many years with trad.
Also, I bottled out of cleaning with WFP the other day and got the ladders out for one job coz it was a one off/first clean, with painted georgian style windows (small panes). The paint wasn't flaky, but not in great shape, and also putty had cracks in it, I thought this is gonna run like mad after I leave. What would you have done (any other's opinion appreciated too!)
would have tried once, if not come up aint going to work some say three or up to 5 times you get to spot which just are not going to come good.
it would depend on the paint and the putty used, but warning beels wouls sound as sooon as I looked at it.
IAn
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What is going on here?
Just how do you get decent results?
Most panes received only 2 strokes.
No rinsing off the pane
More time was spent on cleaning a white door than some of the glass units.
If the customer is happy then fine but I'd go ballistic if I caught any of mine going at it like that, it was like a re-run of the ionics tape of how to do a 3 bed detached, plus con sides, plus con roof in 12 minutes.
Honestly th windows and frames are absolutely spotless on these windows, I have 150 customers on this estate and have been cleaning them for 4 years now, and have never lost any, except a few that have moved, I charge a good price for my work and they are all very happy!
And he says He does the insides, a great way to tell how they've dried.
(Unless they're left even worse than outside so that you wouldn't see the runs anyway :o) JUST KIDDING!! 8) 8) )
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Honestly th windows and frames are absolutely spotless on these windows, I have 150 customers on this estate and have been cleaning them for 4 years now, and have never lost any, except a few that have moved, I charge a good price for my work and they are all very happy!
Cool, that's really reassuring.
How many cleans before I can whip round that fast?> Obviously I'm still getting to grips with WFP after many years with trad.
Also, I bottled out of cleaning with WFP the other day and got the ladders out for one job coz it was a one off/first clean, with painted georgian style windows (small panes). The paint wasn't flaky, but not in great shape, and also putty had cracks in it, I thought this is gonna run like mad after I leave. What would you have done (any other's opinion appreciated too!)
would have tried once, if not come up aint going to work some say three or up to 5 times you get to spot which just are not going to come good.
it would depend on the paint and the putty used, but warning beels wouls sound as sooon as I looked at it.
IAn
Yeah but what do I do then, turn down the job because her windows aren't uPVC? Or clean them, wait for them to dry to see if they're ok, and repeat until good? Madness. That's why I got the ladders out, but what do the rest of you do?
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I don't see why you should have to defend yourself, Groundhog. You know your work and you know your results and this thread wasn't entitled 'have a pop at my technique' after all.
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I only got one email, and it was from Clive.
Peter
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Honestly th windows and frames are absolutely spotless on these windows, I have 150 customers on this estate and have been cleaning them for 4 years now, and have never lost any, except a few that have moved, I charge a good price for my work and they are all very happy!
Cool, that's really reassuring.
How many cleans before I can whip round that fast?> Obviously I'm still getting to grips with WFP after many years with trad.
Also, I bottled out of cleaning with WFP the other day and got the ladders out for one job coz it was a one off/first clean, with painted georgian style windows (small panes). The paint wasn't flaky, but not in great shape, and also putty had cracks in it, I thought this is gonna run like mad after I leave. What would you have done (any other's opinion appreciated too!)
would have tried once, if not come up aint going to work some say three or up to 5 times you get to spot which just are not going to come good.
it would depend on the paint and the putty used, but warning beels wouls sound as sooon as I looked at it.
IAn
Yeah but what do I do then, turn down the job because her windows aren't uPVC? Or clean them, wait for them to dry to see if they're ok, and repeat until good? Madness. That's why I got the ladders out, but what do the rest of you do?
just saying the truth m8, I dont big up wfp, it is safer than ladders and for ones that cant see that they most be blind, you have to try forst, you use laddrs test on windows you think will cause a problem"least you know what they are like then"
some say cl;ean 5 times and they can come good, if after 2 cleans they are not right imo they will never be right (and the reason I say this is beacuse I clean them 3 times more than most on a first clean to get them as good a they can get, next clean if they have not come good they just aint going to IMO
That aint madness thats experience doing it day in day out
Ian
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Yeah you're right.
It's just madness to those that think the WFP is the be-all-and-end-all to window cleaning! ;)
I just hope I'm not going to find I have to use the ladders quite a lot after all because quite a number of people don't have uPVC frames!
What do you do If you think they aint gonna clean up properly?
Anyway, I hated doing the job trad, but at least I knew they looked ok, and that the customer was happy and will hopefully recommend me, and ask me to clean the windows at her new house.
saying the truth m8, I dont big up wfp, it is safer than ladders and for ones that cant see that they most be blind, you have to try forst, you use laddrs test on windows you think will cause a problem"least you know what they are like then"
some say cl;ean 5 times and they can come good, if after 2 cleans they are not right imo they will never be right (and the reason I say this is beacuse I clean them 3 times more than most on a first clean to get them as good a they can get, next clean if they have not come good they just aint going to IMO
That aint madness thats experience doing it day in day out
Ian
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heres my harris pole with the autobrush
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why are most the posts critising groundhogs technique,the post was put
up as demonstation of harris pole i have only seen one maybe two post
about the pole they were critical but at least valid.
i use a harris pole for the money good pole yes there is some bend when fully
extended but nothing i cant deal with. nobody said it was perfect but for the
money paid out nobody cant say it isnt good value
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do harris do a small pole idealy for ground floor windows was thinking of getting a small pole for this but looking at the harris this could be ideal as i have parts i think to addapt one to wfp?
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do harris do a small pole idealy for ground floor windows was thinking of getting a small pole for this but looking at the harris this could be ideal as i have parts i think to addapt one to wfp?
any pole that is 3/4ft is good enough for wfp just cut to fit the screw for the brush, old wfp ideal if knacked you the top section sorted fits brushes already, I bought 2 4ft poles not used one at all, the other maybe a couple of time now, I prefer to use one pole to do all jobs but they are there if i need I guess, harris do a small pole that would be just as good IMO cheaper too.
Ian
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why are most the posts critising groundhogs technique,the post was put
up as demonstation of harris pole i have only seen one maybe two post
about the pole they were critical but at least valid.
He was also demonstrating his window cleaning techniques, this was always going to happen. I don't think it is such a bad thing, as he has a chance to defend himself, and even maybe prove a couple of people wrong. It has made it very interesting, I think more people should do the same, especially the ones who are criticizing, and the ones who are looking to improve some aspects of the way they work.
Peter
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do harris do a small pole idealy for ground floor windows was thinking of getting a small pole for this but looking at the harris this could be ideal as i have parts i think to addapt one to wfp?
any pole that is 3/4ft is good enough for wfp just cut to fit the screw for the brush, old wfp ideal if knacked you the top section sorted fits brushes already, I bought 2 4ft poles not used one at all, the other maybe a couple of time now, I prefer to use one pole to do all jobs but they are there if i need I guess, harris do a small pole that would be just as good IMO cheaper too.
Ian
thanks i use harris for cleaning shop windows trad good pole for this will try it and see if good for wfp when i have 2 mins ;)
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Did you clean trad before going over to wfp? I just wonder how good those windows could really look upon close inspection after such a quick clean. On the first video, the second upstairs window (in the middle) doesn't get a rinse.
I'm just curious. These have given me a glimmer of hope that WFP is quicker after all!!
I'm just doing the 2nd clean with wfp (after trad) and I'm still taking ages about it coz I don't want to leave a pants finish!
I like the idea of fan jets too. What are the pro's and cons? Also are they easy to change over? I guess they're threaded.. is that right or are they glued?
J
Jewel, yes when I first started cleaning this estate I was trad. I have been using wfp for about 3 years now (I think?) And when I first started out with it I was very dissapointed with it, and actually went back to the ladders for about 3 months before deciding to really give it a go.
What you see in the clip is a maintenance clean, they are cleaned monthly and are not that dirty to start with! If however you were watching me on a first clean it would be a different story, I really give them a good scrub and rinse! My rule of thumb is this - 2 good scrubs and a rinse for monthly maintenance cleans, and one extra scrub for each extra month, if that makes sense, ie if they are 2 monthly I will give them 3 good scrubs and a rinse. Obviously if I can see that they are not clean after this ie bird muck or similar then I carry on scrubbing until they are clean. But in general this is not neccessary.
Persevere with the wfp mate, once you get the hang of it you won't look back, the estate I am cleaning on in these clips when cleaning trad, I would say that I could do about 20 or so houses in a day, with wfp I can do 40! And as I have said earlier I am not cleaning at full speed in those clips, that is slow!! If I was trying to be quick I wouldn't have bothered using the clamps at all, I would have used it as a clampless pole and simply thrust it upwards to the height I wanted, and let it drop back down for the downstairs windows!
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jouk that auto brush looks interesting! how do you operate it? and what type of jets does it have?
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peter while you are here, sorry to hijack your topic grounddog, do you have anything specific, like rubber tips, to fit the ends of the metal bar, on the autobrush, at the moment i cut a piece of hose in half then glue them to each end, and secured by plastic ties,
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Jouk, I used to put protection on the ends of the bars but done away with them because they were not needed. If someone does need protection for any reason then some insulating tape wrapped round the ends tightly does the trick.
Peter
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Did you clean trad before going over to wfp? I just wonder how good those windows could really look upon close inspection after such a quick clean. On the first video, the second upstairs window (in the middle) doesn't get a rinse.
I'm just curious. These have given me a glimmer of hope that WFP is quicker after all!!
I'm just doing the 2nd clean with wfp (after trad) and I'm still taking ages about it coz I don't want to leave a pants finish!
I like the idea of fan jets too. What are the pro's and cons? Also are they easy to change over? I guess they're threaded.. is that right or are they glued?
J
Jewel, yes when I first started cleaning this estate I was trad. I have been using wfp for about 3 years now (I think?) And when I first started out with it I was very dissapointed with it, and actually went back to the ladders for about 3 months before deciding to really give it a go.
What you see in the clip is a maintenance clean, they are cleaned monthly and are not that dirty to start with! If however you were watching me on a first clean it would be a different story, I really give them a good scrub and rinse! My rule of thumb is this - 2 good scrubs and a rinse for monthly maintenance cleans, and one extra scrub for each extra month, if that makes sense, ie if they are 2 monthly I will give them 3 good scrubs and a rinse. Obviously if I can see that they are not clean after this ie bird muck or similar then I carry on scrubbing until they are clean. But in general this is not neccessary.
Persevere with the wfp mate, once you get the hang of it you won't look back, the estate I am cleaning on in these clips when cleaning trad, I would say that I could do about 20 or so houses in a day, with wfp I can do 40! And as I have said earlier I am not cleaning at full speed in those clips, that is slow!! If I was trying to be quick I wouldn't have bothered using the clamps at all, I would have used it as a clampless pole and simply thrust it upwards to the height I wanted, and let it drop back down for the downstairs windows!
you like your pole then groundhog ;D
i agree with a lot of what you were saying in your previous post.have been
wfp a year found it frustating at first.now most of the time its a dream especially
on maintenance cleans 4 weekly hardly need rinsing
next you will be getting a back pack ;D
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In the first clip it sounded like he was using 1.
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grounddog, you tap one side of the window to turn it on, then tap other side to turn it of, this brush i use 1.5 fan jets, it is better than any control valve, i would recommend it to anyone
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why are most the posts critising groundhogs technique,the post was put
up as demonstation of harris pole i have only seen one maybe two post
about the pole they were critical but at least valid.
i use a harris pole for the money good pole yes there is some bend when fully
extended but nothing i cant deal with. nobody said it was perfect but for the
money paid out nobody cant say it isnt good value
Your right Gary! the purpose of me posting these clips was to show how good the harris pole is! I wasn't trying to demonstrate my technique or how fast I can clean windows, as I said before I am normally much faster!
To be honest I didn't think that any of the slx users would admit that it actually looks like a good value pole, that is perfectly able to do a great job.
Which one of the flash pole brigade will be brave enough to post a video to show why their pole is worth over £400 more than my Harris pole? ;)
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grounddog, you tap one side of the window to turn it on, then tap other side to turn it of, this brush i use 1.5 fan jets, it is better than any control valve, i would recommend it to anyone
Thanks Jouk.
Peter
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to me it looked like an xtel but alot cheaper.
many us us may learn something from this, I will give it a try anyway because at that price it would be silly not to really . You never know till you try ;)
You did clean tem windows quick and fair play to you if you can do them quicker with no complaints
Ian
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peter i just dont like the idea that it could chip away through time, on the sides of the plaster on the window, plus its much quieter early in the mornings with the rubber on it,
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Just how do you get decent results?
Most panes received only 2 strokes.
No rinsing off the pane
It's a monthly maintenance clean, and I have found that two strokes is enough to get them perfectly clean! I am rinsing off the glass, the video is not that clear I know, but I am lifting off the glass about an inch or so.
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peter i just dont like the idea that it could chip away through time, on the sides of the plaster on the window, plus its much quieter early in the mornings
Quite right if that's how you feel, I suppose it all depends on how heavy handed we are, I would just give it a slight nudge.
Peter
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No offense Groundhog but that pole is nothing new,unger ali poles and others have been used for years by people.The only thing that is new is that it is £15,if it works for you fair play to you i aint knocking you but i couldn`t use it on my work as most of it is to high and that`s domestic.For those types of houses in the clips you`ll get away with it cos there not big houses,try posting a couple of clips of you using it on houses where your going to need up to 30ft or so over sloping roofs where the pole needs to be more ridgid,people will then be able to make up there mind easier you could get away with using basically any pole with windows of the height in the videos.
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peter i just dont like the idea that it could chip away through time, on the sides of the plaster on the window, plus its much quieter early in the mornings
Quite right if that's how you feel, I suppose it all depends on how heavy handed we are, I would just give it a slight nudge.
Peter
did you get my email Peter ?
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to me it looked like an xtel but alot cheaper.
many us us may learn something from this, I will give it a try anyway because at that price it would be silly not to really . You never know till you try ;)
You did clean tem windows quick and fair play to you if you can do them quicker with no complaints
Ian
Give it a try Ian, I was very surprised at just how good they are! I have used an extel but I think that the Harris is a better pole, its lighter and the clamps are easier to use, and although its early days I reckon it will last longer.
As for the speed, I really am surprised that you are all saying that I am so quick, as I said earlier I was not trying to be quick for the clips I was just demonstrating how good the pole is! We should all be striving for more speed though as we don't get paid for overtime in this game, if your interested I will post a full speed version next week.
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yep its only a basic height pole but cheaper than a universal,xtel or extender
of similar height
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did you get my email Peter ?
Yes Ian I have it now.
Peter
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to me it looked like an xtel but alot cheaper.
many us us may learn something from this, I will give it a try anyway because at that price it would be silly not to really . You never know till you try ;)
You did clean tem windows quick and fair play to you if you can do them quicker with no complaints
Ian
I will get one just to try, I have been there twice now none in stock, and there is not mant on here as I know of in my area.
At that price I would be mad not to try, I know full well it is no good at high leval work I can see that in the clips but standard houses it looks fine to me, I have xtel and have snapped a few so far lol I dont mind they are cheap to replace harris even cheap maybe I will see when I get me hands on one.
As fr quick if you windows look like mine when finished I need training from you , you yesterday as I am honestly shocked at your speed and you say you was not doing it fast either.
I am all for learning, but quality cant be lowered because of speed and that would be my worry.
Ian
Give it a try Ian, I was very surprised at just how good they are! I have used an extel but I think that the Harris is a better pole, its lighter and the clamps are easier to use, and although its early days I reckon it will last longer.
As for the speed, I really am surprised that you are all saying that I am so quick, as I said earlier I was not trying to be quick for the clips I was just demonstrating how good the pole is! We should all be striving for more speed though as we don't get paid for overtime in this game, if your interested I will post a full speed version next week.
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No offense Groundhog but that pole is nothing new,unger ali poles and others have been used for years by people.The only thing that is new is that it is £15,if it works for you fair play to you i aint knocking you but i couldn`t use it on my work as most of it is to high and that`s domestic.For those types of houses in the clips you`ll get away with it cos there not big houses,try posting a couple of clips of you using it on houses where your going to need up to 30ft or so over sloping roofs where the pole needs to be more ridgid,people will then be able to make up there mind easier you could get away with using basically any pole with windows of the height in the videos.
I never said it was anything new! but I have tried converting unger poles before and found them a nightmare to use!! the harris pole is very user friendly and a delight to use!! I am going to convert a harris pole into a 30' pole, and when I've done it I will post a clip of it in use.
I have used my harris pole over conservatory roofs when the pole has been virtually horizontal, yes it bends a litlle bit, but not as much as my predator pole or an excel or my old powerpole for that matter and the powerpole cost me a lot of money!!
Are you going to be brave enough NWH to post a video clip of you using your slx doing a similar job to me, to demonstrate why your pole is so superior to mine?? ;)
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No offense Groundhog but that pole is nothing new,unger ali poles and others have been used for years by people.The only thing that is new is that it is £15,if it works for you fair play to you i aint knocking you but i couldn`t use it on my work as most of it is to high and that`s domestic.For those types of houses in the clips you`ll get away with it cos there not big houses,try posting a couple of clips of you using it on houses where your going to need up to 30ft or so over sloping roofs where the pole needs to be more ridgid,people will then be able to make up there mind easier you could get away with using basically any pole with windows of the height in the videos.
Come on, now. Fair's fair. You couldn't use a 15' pole on a job needing a 30' pole.
It's a bit like criticising an Escort van for not being a Transit.
The whole point is that, where a 15' pole will do the job, the Harris pole is good enough to do the job - as long as it lasts. And it seems to be good enough quality to last for a few months.
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If i was going to post a clip at all it would be of me using my cut down facelift 24ft carbon,it`s the same length closed as the SLX only shorter as it`s only 4 sections.That pole is well worth every penny,it`s mega robust and the clamps are the best there is out there at the moment.The facelift pole at the height i have it at is like a broom handle for stiffness with next to no bend at all and is 5ft closed.
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I don't see why you should have to defend yourself, Groundhog. You know your work and you know your results and this thread wasn't entitled 'have a pop at my technique' after all.
Thanks Dave, my 400 customers will vouch for the results they get, they know that if they aren't happy they can give me a call and I will sort it out asap!!
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No offense Groundhog but that pole is nothing new,unger ali poles and others have been used for years by people.The only thing that is new is that it is £15,if it works for you fair play to you i aint knocking you but i couldn`t use it on my work as most of it is to high and that`s domestic.For those types of houses in the clips you`ll get away with it cos there not big houses,try posting a couple of clips of you using it on houses where your going to need up to 30ft or so over sloping roofs where the pole needs to be more ridgid,people will then be able to make up there mind easier you could get away with using basically any pole with windows of the height in the videos.
Come on, now. Fair's fair. You couldn't use a 15' pole on a job needing a 30' pole.
It's a bit like criticising an Escort van for not being a Transit.
The whole point is that, where a 15' pole will do the job, the Harris pole is good enough to do the job - as long as it lasts. And it seems to be good enough quality to last for a few months.
It works i agree but i would be useless for most of my work,the guys who use these poles all the time must have a lot of low work.
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If i was going to post a clip at all it would be of me using my cut down facelift 24ft carbon,it`s the same length closed as the SLX only shorter as it`s only 4 sections.That pole is well worth every penny,it`s mega robust and the clamps are the best there is out there at the moment.The facelift pole at the height i have it at is like a broom handle for stiffness with next to no bend at all and is 5ft closed.
Well post a clip then!!! I for one would love to see it!!! I have posted my clip for all to see, now its your turn!!!! ;)
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No offense Groundhog but that pole is nothing new,unger ali poles and others have been used for years by people.The only thing that is new is that it is £15,if it works for you fair play to you i aint knocking you but i couldn`t use it on my work as most of it is to high and that`s domestic.For those types of houses in the clips you`ll get away with it cos there not big houses,try posting a couple of clips of you using it on houses where your going to need up to 30ft or so over sloping roofs where the pole needs to be more ridgid,people will then be able to make up there mind easier you could get away with using basically any pole with windows of the height in the videos.
Come on, now. Fair's fair. You couldn't use a 15' pole on a job needing a 30' pole.
It's a bit like criticising an Escort van for not being a Transit.
The whole point is that, where a 15' pole will do the job, the Harris pole is good enough to do the job - as long as it lasts. And it seems to be good enough quality to last for a few months.
It works i agree but i (sic) would be useless for most of my work,the guys who use these poles all the time must have a lot of low work.
OK. So it's useless for your work.
But if it's useful for someone else's work, it surely has value for them.
Horses for courses.
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Well said Wally, and thanks for posting those links for me! I'm a bit of a technophobe really. :)
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I used the harris over a consevatory this week, I use Gaz swivel brush's on it, I found no problems with it.
I have also have unger poles I used for trad, but looking at both sets of clamps and the way they are made, the harris clamps will out last the unger, those tiny little clips in the unger clamps break for a past time, they go brittle and snap, the harris clamp is all meat with no little clips to snap.
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I'm with you on this one, Groundhog.
It's a great thread, but a lot of people seem to have gone off on a tangent.
It wasn't about speed or technique or "yours is too small to do my work," it was simply to show that the Harris pole does the job in may situations.
You did that admirably well and should be congratulated, not castigated!
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I'm with you on this one, Groundhog.
It's a great thread, but a lot of people seem to have gone off on a tangent.
It wasn't about speed or technique or "yours is too small to do my work," it was simply to show that the Harris pole does the job in may situations.
You did that admirably well and should be congratulated, not castigated!
Have to agree with wally that you should be congratulated on doing this, I speak my mind always if I posted looking for fault this is what I was thinking not saying I was faulting you as I am not reading every post I made I would be here for months. I will try this pole when I can get one and I have tried twice now. Speed is good and if it works for you thats very good and others could well learn by defult of this post so IMo that could be win win for many.
Ian
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Hey Groundhog,
Thanks for those clips. I was in B&Q today looking for a Harris pole but couldnt find it. To be honest I couldnt remember the brand name! Good to see it in action. What size is the one in the video? Did you get it in B&Q? and how much??
One more question................Did your son like the Knock knock joke?
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Hey Groundhog,
Thanks for those clips. I was in B&Q today looking for a Harris pole but couldnt find it. To be honest I couldnt remember the brand name! Good to see it in action. What size is the one in the video? Did you get it in B&Q? and how much??
One more question................Did your son like the Knock knock joke?
The Harris pole is found in the Decorators section around £14.99 for the 5m and £12.99 for the 3m one.
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Thanks Jeff
I looked in the decorators section but could only see the B&Q branded poles. Will look again with my eyes open next time ;D
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can you get harris longer that 5m ?
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can you do a close up vid or the pole extending ??
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Hey Groundhog,
Thanks for those clips. I was in B&Q today looking for a Harris pole but couldnt find it. To be honest I couldnt remember the brand name! Good to see it in action. What size is the one in the video? Did you get it in B&Q? and how much??
One more question................Did your son like the Knock knock joke?
Glad you liked the clips mate! The one in the video is 5 metres and I purchased it in B&Q, and as jeff said it is £14.99 (a real bargain!!)
And yes my son liked the knock knock joke - a lot!!! and so did all his mates, I'm not sure that the teachers were so impressed though!!!! ;D
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Ask at the customer services, I couldn't see them and asked one of there little orange helpers, he took me to the wrong section and said they will be getting some more in the following week ::)
I went home and thought about it, so phoned customer services up, I found out they had 7 in stock but they were to big to go into the section so they kept them upstairs, don't ask the little orange men ask at there desk so they can check availability on there computers.
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I'm with you on this one, Groundhog.
It's a great thread, but a lot of people seem to have gone off on a tangent.
It wasn't about speed or technique or "yours is too small to do my work," it was simply to show that the Harris pole does the job in may situations.
You did that admirably well and should be congratulated, not castigated!
Thanks Wally, its great to get some positive feedback!! :) I was driven to post the videos on this thread by some of the comments made on the slx thread, saying that the Harris pole could not be used for window cleaning ect ect. I think that I have proved that it can!!!
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Ask at the customer services, I couldn't see them and asked one of there little orange helpers, he took me to the wrong section and said they will be getting some more in the following week ::)
I went home and thought about it, so phoned customer services up, I found out they had 7 in stock but they were to big to go into the section so they kept them upstairs, don't ask the little orange men ask at there desk so they can check availability on there computers.
Don't trust the little orange men, they don't like to part with their harris poles!!! ;D
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can you do a close up vid or the pole extending ??
I will give it a go next week mate, I know that the videos are not that clear! They were made on a small digital camera, which was balanced on my van door!!
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It certainly can be used for w/c and today for me proved it, it made me a few bob.
We all know its not the be all and end all of poles, but when were getting charged hundreds of pounds for poles and this ones getting knocked out at less than £15
I would recommend it to anyone who's on a low budget and just starting out in wfp, if in the future they want to get a more but not necessary better pole then so be it.
Groundhog, have you seen them when there covered in heatshrink sleeving? With your company colours.
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Groundhog, have you seen them when there covered in heatshrink sleeving? With your company colours.
No I haven't Jeff, how is this done? I was thinking about putting some kind of tape on mine to increase the grip.
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can you get harris longer that 5m ?
Not as far as I know Ian, but I think it is jeff who has posted how to increase the length of a harris pole.
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Groundhog, have you seen them when there covered in heatshrink sleeving? With your company colours.
No I haven't Jeff, how is this done? I was thinking about putting some kind of tape on mine to increase the grip.
No dont put tape on, I'll take some pictures of it tomorrow and post them on here for you to see.
Its the same type of heatshrink you put on cables only this stuff is big.
go to this site and have a look at it. w w w.heatshrink-online.co.uk, very fast delivery, you need to look at the 50.8mm Diameter and buy x4 half meters to fit the harris pole, £7.35 you'll have some spare but I'm keeping it for any repairs.
Excellent insulation and grip.
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Thanks Jeff, I will give it a go. That will increase the value of my pole by 50% ;D
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It makes them look more professional as well. ;D looks like my Xtel now after its been on a diet Lol
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It makes them look more professional as well. ;D looks like my Xtel now after its been on a diet Lol
Thats one of the things I like so much about the harris pole, that it is nice and thin and fits in my hands just right!
I may start selling converted harris poles on ebay, I bet I could get 100 quid for one!! ;)
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My eldest daughter loves it, she just couldn't get on with my XTel, today was the first time she used it with the heatshrink on it and she's well pleased with it.
Like we say if they only last a few months, we can chuck them away at that price.
I recon you can get more than £100 if you wrap it in heatshrink, you can start a new trend with the groundhog harris pole ;D
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I recon you can get more than £100 if you wrap it in heatshrink, you can start a new trend with the groundhog harris pole ;D
I'm off to B&Q tomorrow to buy a couple of dozen harris poles, they will be on ebay at £125 buy it now, this time next year I'll be a millionaire!!! ;D
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can you get harris longer that 5m ?
harris used to do a 4 section pole which was 7 mtrs you will most likely need to go into a specilest decorating shop for this . groundhog your too slow mate lol , theres nothing wrong with the harris poles , have you not tryed the yellow handle harris 2 section 1 with a push spring clamp these are allso £15 from b&q these are not a bad pole for low level work .
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harris used to do a 4 section pole which was 7 mtrs you will most likely need to go into a specilest decorating shop for this . groundhog your too slow mate lol , theres nothing wrong with the harris poles , have you not tryed the yellow handle harris 2 section 1 with a push spring clamp these are allso £15 from b&q these are not a bad pole for low level work .
I will have a look for that 7 metre pole Dave, that would be really usefull! I saw the shorter yellow handle poles, they looked good, but I like to use the same pole for ups and downs. As for me being slow, your right I was going slow in those clips, I will post one of me going at full speed next week!
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Shame I didn't know of this when I was trad. I did pay £76 for my Unger 20" pole. Should have gone with an Harris, still I think the Unger is a bit better, but boy would it have made a difference in my start up cost.
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Shame I didn't know of this when I was trad. I did pay £76 for my Unger 20" pole. Should have gone with an Harris, still I think the Unger is a bit better, but boy would it have made a difference in my start up cost.
Tim the harris pole is a far superior pole compared to the unger!!
I converted an unger pole into a wfp pole a year or so ago, and it was useless compared to the harris!!
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Thanks for the Videos Grounhog, there great. I love people putting this type of thing up!! thanks. As regards the pole, well for a start you cant really compare it to an SL-X as the SL-X is a 25ft pole and the Harris is a 16ft pole. Even at 25ft the SL-X is stiffer, and quicker to close the clamps too.
But I think its fair to compare it to a xtel 17ft or something similar, and it looks just a bit less stiff than a 17ft xtel, but will probably far out last the xtel! So for £15 what a bargain
The idea of the SL-X is to have a ground floor pole that can do 3rd floor stuff too. The Harris isnt capable of this and you would need to swap poles to do higher stuff. Thats why the SL-X is worth the money, because over a few months all that time saving pays for itself.
And even though its 9ft longer than the Harris, it doesnt weight alot more than it, Luke
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Oh and if you want to work even quicker Groundhog, get a Tucker brush and convert it like I did, 1 scrub with the Tucker is worth 2 on a Vikan, Im certain of it, Luke
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I'm hoping that Alex's new brush is as good as the tucker Luke, that'll be great.
I'm just hoping that we will get a dual trim fairly quickly.
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I should think it will be in a similar league, at this moment though I think hes got his work cut out to get it just as good or better !!! But it will be lighter so thats a big big plus, Luke
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How heavy/light is the tucker Luke? :)
You're really that happy with it then?
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Yes, Im very very happy with it. I stuck it on the scales the other day and it was around 110g lighter than a Vikan. It really makes a difference, just that 100 odd grams! But I think that Gardiners new brush will be something like 240g, Luke
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Yes, Im very very happy with it. I stuck it on the scales the other day and it was around 110g lighter than a Vikan. It really makes a difference, just that 100 odd grams! But I think that Gardiners new brush will be something like 240g, Luke
How much gram is the brush itself? Can't remember how much the Vikan is, sorry.
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The Vikan is about 440g , so the Tucker is about 330g.....I think. I will confirm this later. I just cant quite remember if thats right!! But you can feel the difference right away, Luke
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Ive got a bit of a dilema here!!!! On Gardiner website it states the Vikan full red mono weighs 440g, on my scales it says 550g!!!!! Luke
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Just for reference
Vikan standard oval flocked 10" 1lb 1oz / 475g
Vikan hi-lo 10" 1lb 6oz/ 620g
Omnipole(Tucker copy) 30cm double trim which weighs 370gm (just the brush, no jets etc.). Note Omni now machine their Vikan brushes to reduce the weight even further.
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Luke ow thats heavy ? , is it the scales, try a bag of sugar for comparison ?
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My scales are saying a bag of sugar is 1kg and 50g......Luke
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My scales are saying a bag of sugar is 1kg and 50g......Luke
haha, shouldn't that be a kilo?
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yes, i dont think that the paper bag is 50g!!!!! I need new scales, Luke
Tucker Overview:
1. well its lighter than a Vikan
2. has alot more glass coverage, with splay it is probably 2-3 inches wider than the Vikan
3.superior cleaning on both glass and frames
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The only downside to the Harris is its length when doing downstairs windows. Many new homes are built close together and a shorter pole is needed. We did a poll some time ago on this forum and most wanted a 3-4ft pole. I just stick a Zensorflex section on the top and remove it for bottom windows.
Its going to be really interesting when Peters alu short 4fter clampless pole comes out.
Do you think a shorter section sections would be useful Groundhog ?
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Jeff, the SL-X is 5ft 7 when closed. I thought this would be too big, how wrong I was, its perfect even for very very tight spaces.
Im not sure about 3-4ft sections as it means you have to do more extending of sections to get to the height you want and I find that I need to have the pole extended even for lower windows quite often. It also means more clamps ( on a none clampless pole ) Luke
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Jeff have you used a Tucker brush? Luke
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The haris pole is stiffer than a 17 ft xtel,
I have just bought one and cant believe the value for money
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Thanks for the Videos Grounhog, there great. I love people putting this type of thing up!! thanks. As regards the pole, well for a start you cant really compare it to an SL-X as the SL-X is a 25ft pole and the Harris is a 16ft pole. Even at 25ft the SL-X is stiffer, and quicker to close the clamps too.
Glad you liked the videos Luke! I am going to convert my harris pole into a 25ft pole soon and will post the results on here when I have done it. I think that too much is made of the stiffness issue, the harris pole is plenty stiff enough, and I don't believe that it would benefit me at all to have it any stiffer. As for the quickness of the clamps, I was not trying to use them quickly in the videos at all! I could have used them much quicker if I had wanted to, in fact if I was trying to clean the houses quickly I would not have even bothered using the clamps, I very often use the pole clampless, by just not tightening the clamps up.
Its all very well people posting on here saying that their pole is much better, anyone could say that, get a video camera and prove it!!!!! ;)
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The haris pole is stiffer than a 17 ft xtel,
I have just bought one and cant believe the value for money
Totally agree Dave, It is actually far stiffer than it appears to be on the video clips!!!
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The haris pole is stiffer than a 17 ft xtel,
I have just bought one and cant believe the value for money
Dave there are two versions of the 17ft xtel, just recently they made it even stiffer. I replaced both my 17ft xtels with the latest ones, and they are quite a bit siffer, Luke
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jeff I don't find a problem with the length, 6' is about right for me. Any longer and it is more difficult to extend, any shorter and you need extra sections which can slow you down! If I am in a tight spot with the pole, I just stand side on to the widow and use the pole left to right rather than up and down, but thats quite rare on my round!!
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Groundhog:
You may have noticed, I am camera shy!!! I dont ever post my face online! All my pictures and vidoes Ive put online never feature myself, I usually get my dad to hold the poles for them!!
I could film him using the SL-X but he has only used it twice and is no where near as fast as me with it!!! and he has never used the Tucker brush on it! Luke
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I have got 7 extel poles, they all fell to bits, This morning i managed to salvage a 30 ft out of 3 old ones.
I really cant fault the Harris in any way at all, I think of all the RIP OFF poles in the past I have bought.
I will remeber all the suppliers who have ripped me off with excessive prices, (Research and development, my back side)
Remember the excell poles werent invented for window cleaners, I wonder why manufacturers veered away from painters poles.
My very first pole was a £280.00 18 ft Glass fibre pole Brodex pole £280.00 !!!!!!!!!!!
In fact I have now gone through over 10, 18 ft poles costimg me about £1500 altogether, thats withought the other £2000 + of bigger poles.
Advice to all new window cleaners have a serious look at the Harris.
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Dave, that why I dont use xtels anymore, they just dont last! for me only the SL-X has the perfect combination.....bar the price!!!!!! Luke
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I just bought one of those harris poles today just need to change the top over for a unger screw thread.
But this pole seems pretty good and seems nice and stiff compared to mu unger teleplus.
I wonder if they do any larger poles as i could do with a few of those poles in differant sizes.
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I think I would go out and get one now if it wasnt for the closed length. Im 6ft 3 and a 6ft section pole is just too long IMO. Luke
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Well you can saw it down to a 3.5 mtre and still reach ist floor windows
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Question for Grounhog
How do convert the top, do you saw the rivets the insert a brush insert ?
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But the whole reason I bought the SL-X was to just use 1 pole for ground to 3 floor stuff. If I cut it down it makes it near useless as even my smaller jobs require at least an 18ft reach. If I get another smaller pole it defeats the object, as I have to swap poles and clutter my van up more. Another reason why I picked the SL-X and SL2 is both fit length way intop my Expert, while some 6ft section poles have to go diagonal depending on the clamps etc.
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they look alright!! ;D light enough and don't really look much longer than the ionics 18ft multipole, maybe a little long but still very useable and at £15 it can't be knocked at all really can it??
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Took a couple of pictures today of my harris pole covered in company colours useing heatshrink sleeving.
Anyone know how to upload a picture to the forum, still not allowing direct links to photobucket.
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jeff:
you have to remove the http: // thing before posting.
so click the http:// thing and post the link between then remove the http: // and post it, Luke
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Just tried that Rupert, I removed the http: // bit and clicked on preview and it showed the picture this time, but when I clicked post I had the internal error again. :'(
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its because you clicked preview, when the "post reply" thing is opened again to modify the post, the http re appears. Do it again without the preview, Luke
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Question for Grounhog
How do convert the top, do you saw the rivets the insert a brush insert ?
I drilled out the rivets and inserted a short length of unger number 1 pole and fixed this with a self tapping screw, although rivets would probably be neater, you then simply insert the brush adaptor from unger. Dai explains it much better thanme on my thread ' Dai, advice on b&q pole please'
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Groundhog:
You may have noticed, I am camera shy!!! I dont ever post my face online! All my pictures and vidoes Ive put online never feature myself, I usually get my dad to hold the poles for them!!
I could film him using the SL-X but he has only used it twice and is no where near as fast as me with it!!! and he has never used the Tucker brush on it! Luke
Just film it using a mobile phone or small camera, look at my videos, you would not be able to reconize me from them!!
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I drilled out the rivets and removed the end, I then added the unger adaptor and re-riveted it.
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Jeff, have you done what I said? Luke
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(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/HarrisPole001.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/HarrisPole002.jpg)
What a pain in the Harris pole trying to upload pictures here now. ::)
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That is one cool looking pole jeff!! 8)
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Looks like my expensive XTel now ;D
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Jeff, did you make the trailer yourself mate, I used to make ones like that out of old metal bed angle irons.
Nice looking pole, why is it angled so?
Steve
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Jeff, did you make the trailer yourself mate, I used to make ones like that out of old metal bed angle irons.
Nice looking pole, why is it angled so?
Steve
I made the trailer myself from an old caravan chassis, it used to be timber sides etc, but when I changed to wfp I needed it more secure, so added metal sides and a mate of mine and myself made the lid. I added the rear drop legs and the ladder rack that I won't use any more.
its fully alarmed as well.
The pole is angled like that because the plastic angle adaptor is undone.
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The Harris top section is the same inside diameter as the unger no 2 section, and as groudhog said, a six inch length of Unger no 1 fits inside perfectly. I pop riveted the six inch section in place.
You then take an unger angle or cone adaptor, place it next to the six inch section and mark the section where the spring lugs are. you then drill a 6mm hole through at this point, presto your Harris will now take any Unger adaptor.
There is a way of using the Harris as it comes.
Buy a Stanley paint pad and handle and throw the pad away. This handle will make the best swivel you have ever used and fits onto the Harris cone.
On first examination, the Stanley handle swivels up and down, so would be useless, but look again and you will see a little Phillips screw, remove this and the handle will turn round, turn it 90 degrees and drill a small hole and reinsert the screw. depending on what brush you are using, you will have to cut the pad holder to fit, cut off the part of the brush that the handle screws into, and attach the pad holder with small bolts or self tappers.
You are left with a brush with a swivel that can be locked in any position, and the angle is just right for most jobs.
It also fits perfectly on the Harris pole.
And Ground hog, If you used Algarde silicone hose on the outside of your pole, you can fold it or trap it against the side of your pole, this will stop the flow any time you like, I have a small piece of hose tied to my pole with a small bungy band that girls tie their hair up with. I just fold the Algarde hose and slip it into this piece of hose.
This turns off the flow if you leave your pole.
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It makes them look more professional as well. ;D looks like my Xtel now after its been on a diet Lol
Thats one of the things I like so much about the harris pole, that it is nice and thin and fits in my hands just right!
I may start selling converted harris poles on ebay, I bet I could get 100 quid for one!! ;)
When i read this i nearly choked on my tea lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Jeff
Where can you get that heatshrink sleeving can you get it on the net anywhere
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Jeff
Where can you get that heatshrink sleeving can you get it on the net anywhere
Here are the details Paul
size 50.8mm Diameter
I bought 4x .5m and he'll send it in one full length, it has a 2:1 shrink ratio. and that cost me £7.35 in total, I have a small piece left over that I can use if a repair is needed.
I can say this guy gives a very fast delivery service.
www.heatshrink-online.co.uk
DO NOT use a hair drier to shrink it, they only reach 60 deg, use a heat gun that goes over 70 Deg, if you don't have a heat gun, fill your kettle up and get someone to hold the switch down and then you can use the steam to shrink it, do a small bit at a time, ie work along your pole, don't try to run the whole length of the pole at once.
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Thanks jeff just ordered the same amount as you but in blue
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There is a member (Smithy) on the academy that is useing the blue and it looks very smart, it was him who gave me the link and posted pictures of his own poles in Blue heatshrink.
I don't know about the bank holiday post but I bet you have it by Tuesday.
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Smithy with a blue unifrom, blue purefreedom trolley, blue poles etc etc?!!! Luke
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Smithy with a blue unifrom, blue purefreedom trolley, blue poles etc etc?!!! Luke
Yep! ;D ;D
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ive just ordered some 4m of blue as well,
you should get some commission jeff
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ive just ordered some 4m of blue as well,
you should get some commission jeff
A free length of Red would do me ;D ;D
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haris pole for me 95% of my work bin using 2 munths .
tap on hip hose thrue midell of pole , most of time dont bother with clamps , pole pipe is on qick relece so changing poles is in second so hier i nead is adodal torech , so tis 10 out of 10 for the haris pole if they put one or two moor sec to make 20 or 30 ft it wood be good
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Just wrapped my 3M one in heatshrink, here are the before and after shots.
Before
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/HarrisPole005.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/HarrisPole006.jpg)
After
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/HarrisPole003.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/jeffo_01/HarrisPole004.jpg)
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That looks 100% better
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i tried cleaning a lot quicker than i normally would do today to see what the results were like guess what spotless no runs no spots brill in fact prob better than when i take my time thanks for showing the clips it opened my eyes a bit and i am going to try and build a Harris wfp as soon as i have two Min's thanks for sharing it i have learned something and has put a lot of faith in my wfp technique as well thanks
only thing was i was knackered trying it quick not as quick as you but it dose show you can be quick and get good results ;)
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Heres mine
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groundhog commend you for sticking your neck out for us harris pole
users i hear the sounds of mocking fading into the distance ;D
cheers to dai who came up the idea months ago saved me money
thats hard earnt and so easy to spend when you really dont need to ;)
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Am I the first one with a broom adapter
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nope had one on mine for two months ;D
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nice one dave, heres another tip for the harris users, if you dont have a flow controller, when you want the flow to stop, just bend the hose into the hanging hole in the handle ;D
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The stanley pad swivel for the Harris pole
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Dave morris @ st-ives said
Am I the first one with a broom adapter
Did you just cut it off a broom and remove the harris fitting and fit on there or can you buy these broom adapters somewhere
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Good pic Dai :)
Most of the broom handles fit inside the Harris no1 complete with the screw thread. But dont swivel as Dai's I do similar with the Unger swivel T bar and angle adapter.
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groundhog commend you for sticking your neck out for us harris pole
users i hear the sounds of mocking fading into the distance ;D
cheers to dai who came up the idea months ago saved me money
thats hard earnt and so easy to spend when you really dont need to ;)
Absolutely mate, I new this was a good pole thats why I posted the videos!! As you say the mockers have faded away, as even they must realise that this is a serious pole thats great value for money. I have challenged the flash pole brigade to post a video, as I have done to show why their pole is worth 100's of pounds more than mine!!! but nobody has accepted the challenge as yet!!!!!!! ;D Come on guys we are waiting!! ;)
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groundhog commend you for sticking your neck out for us harris pole
users i hear the sounds of mocking fading into the distance ;D
cheers to dai who came up the idea months ago saved me money
thats hard earnt and so easy to spend when you really dont need to ;)
Absolutely mate, I new this was a good pole thats why I posted the videos!! As you say the mockers have faded away, as even they must realise that this is a serious pole thats great value for money. I have challenged the flash pole brigade to post a video, as I have done to show why their pole is worth 100's of pounds more than mine!!! but nobody has accepted the challenge as yet!!!!!!! ;D Come on guys we are waiting!! ;)
Serious pole my A***,i`m still here watching but learning nothing. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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NWH, I challenge you to post a video of yourself using your megabucks pole, to show us harris pole users why we should fork out an extra £400+!! I have done it now it is your turn!!! put up or shut up!!!! ;)
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The gauntlet is down!! we are waiting NWH!!!! ;D
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NWH, I challenge you to post a video of yourself using your megabucks pole, to show us harris pole users why we should fork out an extra £400+!! I have done it now it is your turn!!! put up or shut up!!!! ;)
I love your enthusiasm for the job mate , please dont change . . . it is infectious ;D You gave me some really good advice on an earlier post . You have walked the walk , and talked the talk ! Liked the bow at the end of the clip ;D
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nwh no one is saying there is nothing new here except a basic pole
thats easy to convert very usable and good value for money and saves
people spending out money they dont need too
your work in general you say is of higher level cleaning obviously the harris
pole doesnt work at those heights fair enough but 90% of my work is 2 floor
property and it is as good as the xtels universal etc for the job it does at a
greatly reduced price.
if it doesnt come from a manufacturer there is a general stuck up attitude
towards people who as they say diy
groundhog put this post up to show the poles worth and he has more than succeded,nobodyhas said slx or s2 dont have there place and if my higher level worked
increased i would invest in one.but why would i invest £400 in a pole because it can also do ground floor when i can do that for £15
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And for the Guy's who doubt its use for downstairs windows, I have a few properties where the pole is to long to do them straight on, but the swivel on my Gaz brush sorts this problem out, I can stand side on and do the windows with the harris pole, so dia's swivel idea is a good one for anyone with lower windows in narrow area's.
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I love your enthusiasm for the job mate , please dont change . . . it is infectious ;D You gave me some really good advice on an earlier post . You have walked the walk , and talked the talk ! Liked the bow at the end of the clip ;D
Thanks for your kind words jonah! :) I'm glad to have been of help to you mate!
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Yes well done groundhog and i bet some of the ones that are slagging it off go out and buy one and say nothing ;)
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i tried cleaning a lot quicker than i normally would do today to see what the results were like guess what spotless no runs no spots brill in fact prob better than when i take my time thanks for showing the clips it opened my eyes a bit and i am going to try and build a Harris wfp as soon as i have two Min's thanks for sharing it i have learned something and has put a lot of faith in my wfp technique as well thanks
only thing was i was knackered trying it quick not as quick as you but it dose show you can be quick and get good results ;)
Thanks mbs! I am really flattered to get so many positive comments!! I will try to post some more clips next week if I get the chance to show just how quick a regular clean can be done!! It's a good workout too, so you will increase your fitness, and earn more money at the same time!!! And of course I would recommend the harris pole to you, as it really is a great little pole, and at 15 quid you have nothing to lose!!! :)
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Yes well done groundhog and i bet some of the ones that are slagging it off go out and buy one and say nothing ;)
Thanks mate, I wonder if any of them will admit to buying a Harris pole? I doubt it!! ;)
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Plenty of ways of keeping costs to a minimum - make your own Bentley brushes for a couple of quid, buy a gas tap from B&Q for six quid and solve your flow problems (or use silicone tubing), drive a Skoda Favourite. I posted before about there being no need to spend a fortune and got a very hostile response from people who insisted you had to have the best equipment and flash van - you don't.
Having said that i'm loving my SLX ;) and have started using a Vikan mono.
Might have a look in B&Q later today.
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Plenty of ways of keeping costs to a minimum - make your own Bentley brushes for a couple of quid, buy a gas tap from B&Q for six quid and solve your flow problems (or use silicone tubing), drive a Skoda Favourite. I posted before about there being no need to spend a fortune and got a very hostile response from people who insisted you had to have the best equipment and flash van - you don't.
Having said that i'm loving my SLX ;) and have started using a Vikan mono.
Might have a look in B&Q later today.
Morning , what is the best brush for first cleans , I have got loads waiting for me to start ::)
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Vikan mono in my opinion - easy to get and a reasonable price, last for ages. Once you get over the fist clean a Bentley is far lighter and does the job.
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Might go into B&Q later if I've got nothing better to do ;D ;D ;D
Liked the stanley adaptor.
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Vikan mono in my opinion - easy to get and a reasonable price, last for ages. Once you get over the fist clean a Bentley is far lighter and does the job.
Thanks for that ;D
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Paul
I knocked out the rivets on the harris and replaced the end with one out of brush pole, thats all manufacturers do.
Then just srewed on an angle adapter, basicaly i made it exactly the same as an extel or any other pole.
You can also prise the screw end out of an old pole, fits exactly the same.
I think this pole puts any other 16ft to shame for quality and price.
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Paul
I knocked out the rivets on the harris and replaced the end with one out of brush pole, thats all manufacturers do.
Then just srewed on an angle adapter, basicaly i made it exactly the same as an extel or any other pole.
You can also prise the screw end out of an old pole, fits exactly the same.
I think this pole puts any other 16ft to shame for quality and price.
If you have one , I am ordering a dozen ;)
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Jonah
I just wanted one reliable pole which looks good and doesnt give you splinters or is so week that it snaps at the drop of an hat.
Maybe just bought it as an old faithfull, this pole looks indestructable, I have considered this type of pole before but in my opinion they have never looked or felt as good as this one.
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who wants to bet, that the harris pole will shoot up in price, when they see them clearing of the shelfs so fast, ::)
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I am going to buy another and look to see if i can put extel clamps on one to see how they perform.
Maybe the first sign of cold weather the Harris might be relagated to the garage for the winter
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Not if you look on Jouk forum and see what Smithies and others have done with shrink film 8)
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will be ok if you put the heat shrink on dave
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Warning, B&Q are notorious for stocking items and then not restocking, so when they are gone they are gone :'(
My local B&Q had 2 dozen in 3 months ago, now they are down to 3 and one of them has a bend/crease in it, so check the operation of the pole is smooth and buy a spare - while you can ! 8)
ps. Peter Fs new shorter section clampless pole is out next month ;)
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how long do these poles last, (surely the clamps wear within a couple of weeks? )
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I am going to buy another and look to see if i can put extel clamps on one to see how they perform. .
i was thinking the same yesterday, as the clamp is going to be the only thing that wears out, and the extel clamps come as a completely detachable unit,i think thats right. does any one have the dimensions of these clamps compared to the harris
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what bits do you need to convert the harris to wfp
i know nebie silly question asking as i dont know
thanks
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p holley,
the clamps will last a very long time, you can extend the life by wrapping a turn or two of pvc tape round the part of the pole section where the clamps grip (usually when fully extended) or you could use heat shrink, or you could lever up and slide a blob of of super/type glue under the contact points on a periodic basis and wait till it dries.
The other factor is the anonising will eventually wear off as with the Unger poles but as mentioned you could heat shrink the sections then, but not sure if they will slide as easily as a new pole does ?
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Couldn't find them in my store - only quickie windowcleaning poles and horrible B&Q own poles. Gutted.
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Hi Max,
simplest is to fit a standard broom with a few wraps of pvc tape to jam it in ( this allows you to remove it later) inside the top section with the fitting removed or sawn off and just screw a basic floor brush of your choice on the end. Later you could learn to put an elbow on. You can go either inside or outside with your hose.
You will find one or two references in these topics if you study them.
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=54880.0
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=55438.0
Luke has explained how to repost links but I cannot be bothered so you need to copy and paste http// before the www.
I also agree that its a right pain not being able to link to our own topics on here and it will eventually degrade the forum unless its sorted. I also cannot reoprt the fact to the mods as it says you cannot report your own posts, so if theres a mod watching ???????????????????????????????
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DJW they are also available from most builders merchants.
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or just order online, www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9373232
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Couldn't find them in my store - only quickie windowcleaning poles and horrible B&Q own poles. Gutted.
Don't just look in the decorators section, as I said before there too large to fit in some of the stores sections so they keep them out of sight ::) Go to customer services or phone them, they will check there stock on the computer, this is what happened to me until I phoned my local store and found they had 7 in stock.
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Just bought one in Stafford B and Q. 13 in stock now.
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Warning, B&Q are notorious for stocking items and then not restocking, so when they are gone they are gone :'(
My local B&Q had 2 dozen in 3 months ago, now they are down to 3 and one of them has a bend/crease in it, so check the operation of the pole is smooth and buy a spare - while you can ! 8)
ps. Peter Fs new shorter section clampless pole is out next month ;)
when B&Q see the sales on these pole I would bet good money that will will be back in stock, B&Q stock things that sell, lost leaders they have to sell , but new things they try then discontinue as does any shop selling many different items.
Ian
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My top clamp has started slipping after 6 months of continuous use, I cut a half inch wide strip from a plastic pop bottle and fitted that over the claws, it's OK again now.
I went and bought another two today, £26 odd with my old age discount.
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My top clamp has started slipping after 6 months of continuous use,
Thats better than an xtel, they start slipping after a few weeks of use!!! I will never buy an xtel again, Luke
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They sell them on ebay.
Or google for them , bit more expensive.
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I'm going to buy a couple more harris poles tomorrow, and convert one into a 25ft pole and use the other one as a clampless speed pole, then I will post another video to show what quick really is!! I'm still surprised that so many have commented on my speed in the clips, as I was nowhere near full speed!!! I thought everyone went quick with wfp, surely thats one of the benefits of wfp? more speed= more money!!! 8)
I am pleased that I have had lots of favourable comments, and seem to have converted quite a few to become harris pole users!! I hope I have saved some of you a lot of unnecasary expense!
I am still waiting for one of the slx or facelift users to post a video of their pole in action!! Just so that we can all compare a top of the range pole with the super cheap harris, I think that this would be interesting viewing!! ;)
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My top clamp has started slipping after 6 months of continuous use, I cut a half inch wide strip from a plastic pop bottle and fitted that over the claws, it's OK again now.
I went and bought another two today, £26 odd with my old age discount.
Dai you make me cry laughing, fair play to you fella
what bottle top did you use or is that you next post :)
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The man is a genius!!!!
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Just need the vid of the pole at full speed now. ;)
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i dropped mine off garage conversion friday hit corner of small wall quite
a bang got down checked over small dent on side no effect at all,they def are
robust.
nearly wet myself thought i was going to have to pay £15 again ;D
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i use a facelift 24 ft carbon fibre aswell as a harris value for money on the harris is yes but thats about it , speed can be achived with just about any pole on the market , the harris is imo better than the,xtel , extender and the universal i name these as ive used them better than facelift no , cheaper without a doubt ;D
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Just need the vid of the pole at full speed now. ;)
Don't worry mate I will not dissapoint, the video will be posted next week!! ;)
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this pole looks very familar, look closey at the pole, i think peter knew about the harris before anyone else did, as this video was made a while ago, ;D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUvWhWI8eFc
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Well spotted Jouk! It certainly looks very similar!!
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It looks just like the one cleantech had on sale, I got one off them about 18 months ago cost £24 for 18'
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It looks just like the one cleantech had on sale, I got one off them about 18 months ago cost £24 for 18'
£24!!! they saw you coming mate!!! ;D
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What glue would you use for the brush end insert
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I didn't use any glue on mine Dave, I simply used a self tapping screw, Dai rivetted his which is probably neater.
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I cant rivet mine it is plastic, at the moment i just used tape and some cheap adhesive, might get some araldite, i think that is what excell use
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Dave,
What brush and adapter are you trying to fit ?
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I used Jouk's Idea and it worked a treat.
The angle adapter I held over a gas stove and warmed it up, I then screwed it onto the unger adapter let it cool then did it again, I did this 3 times and it created the thread of the unger adapter, I can now screw and unscrew the angle adapter as and when I want.
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Jeff
Using an excel pole end , what you screw a normal plastic angle adapter onto
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Sorry Dave misread your post.
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The Harris poles seem a great choice for those out ther that use it purely for low level work, what i bargain.
Wouldnt it be helpful if someone went in to B&Q and got all the poles and the respective barcode numbers and that would save all the hassle of running around searching ;D ;D.
I have an slx because my work can be quite varied in height somedays and can save me a colossal ammount of time but i would go for the harris pole if my work allowed it,its just not a one size fits all situation.
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i bought a harris pole yesturday , and used it this morning, its very light, i am using it like a clampless pole on most stuff (clamps noy tightened) this way it will last longer..
i am going to get a few more soon. ;D
i normaly use an unger pole from cleantech and the clamps need changing every few weeks :(, and the unger one makes your hands go grey >:(
i hope this harris pole lasts at least 3 months as at £15 it seems tooo good to be true
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mines lasted ten weeks no probs yet
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:o Wow this has to be the longest thread yet... :o
I feel like I've been on a journey! ;D
Having read ALL the posts (taken well over a hour!)
Seems like a very useful tool, cheap, disposable and adaptable!
Love the swivel attachment idea!
I'm off to get one! 8) 8) 8)
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groundhog, i've used a harris pole before and may well get another if you can successfully adapt it to a 25 ft I'd be very interested, care to enlighten us how? or I hope you'll post some pics when you do
cheers
simon
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Simon, I have been to B&Q today and purchased two more harris poles, I am going to convert one of them into a 25' pole, hopefully using a spare bit of pole from the pole graveyard in my back garden!! If it is successful I will post another video of it in use next week, along with a video of me cleaning at full speed as requested by djw I believe.
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Can I help here Groundhog,
You can only do this with an outside the pole hose system.(generally ! )
Matts Diy site is down until the end of the month so heres one way of making it bigger.
Get a Ron Thompson Zensorflex from Swiftys fishing tackle £18.99 I use section 4 as a gooseneck for any modular tapered pole...... But Section 5 push fits inside the base section of the extended Harris.Wrap 8 rounds of pvc tape (blue in pic) round the top of the Glassfibre No5 to help make the pole fit snuggly inside the parallel alu base section. You have to remove the rubber grip using a screwdriver to slowly prise the glue away from the pole, its very hard work but you can then just push the grip back on when needed. I suggest you only add the modular sections when the pole is upright. Makes an actual pole of 8.5m plus your own reach of say 1-1.5m
If the pic doesnt load I will have to look at Lukes plan B for posting pics so give me time.
Also in pic is how to cut small sections of either a basic broom or an Unger No1 section. You can also slide a longer piece inside the Harris so that you can remove it at will for use on close downstairs work. Again just some rounds of tape until they wedge nicely inside.
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/JeffBrimble/2008_0527CillBrush0234.jpg)
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Thanks Luke three goes to do it....easy peasy- I dont think so >:( >:(. Probably the last pic I will post until the glitch is sorted.
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You've given me an idea Jeff, (about extending my favourite 12' pole).
I didn't really follow everything you said, but it's good that we can all spark off each other.Expect another of my ground breaking inventions shortly!
What's the story on Matt, is he away?
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Dont know, but I think its his contract thing, he has to put more money in the meter (pays for site out of his own pocket, donations welcome ! ) or we usually just wait till the end of the month ;D
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been to b& q today got another harris and stanley paint pad gonna try dais
idea.
my old harris going to butcher for something else in mind
quickest idea ive heard for adaptation was dai with his heat the plastic
end up and screw into plastic adapter(ad1) no messing no drilling works
a treat :)
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He hasn't been posting. I know he had that east enders thing in developement, and I know Portsmouth won that football match.
Other than that i'm a bit stumped.
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Thanks for that Jeff, looks like a good idea mate. :)
I have managed to convert my harris pole this afternoon into a 22ft pole (approx). What I did was, instead of putting a 6inch piece of unger in the end to fit onto the brush adaptor, I have inserted a piece that is nearly 6ft long! I have drilled two holes at either end, and have fitted a spring clip? (not sure what its real name is!) in either end, this is the clip that fits onto the end of an unger pole to hold on the green threaded end piece, so for a normal house the pole can be used as normal, but if you have a 3 storey house, you just push in the lugs on the clip and extend out the 6ft piece of unger number 1 pole, and the lugs then clamp it into the holes you have drilled at the other end!
I'm not sure if this will make sense to anyone, but I will try to post a clip of it being used when I get the chance. I haven't tried it out properly yet, but it seems to work well!! :)
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Bought my Harris Pole yesterday. Converted it today. VERY impressed with it. Thanks Groundhog.
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Glad to have been of help Paul, thats why I have been promoting this pole, in the hope of helping some of the members of this forum, although most of the credit must go to Dai who was the first person on here to convert a harris pole, and explain how it is done.
I also bought a Harris pole today, 2 in fact, and I have converted one of them into a 22.5ft pole!! so this will be capable of cleaning up to the 3rd floor, so I will be using it on my townhouses that I do this week, I will post another video to show how I get on. The harris pole can now really compete with the slx and other expensive poles!!!
Come on slx users, lets have a video!!!! (wear a hat and sunglasses if your that shy!!!!) ;D
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:) went to look at the poles today, they look ok, when my hybrid wares out I might by one!
I must admit I likes the shorter one though..£11 ish Now that will be great for ground level! 8)
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They are more than ok, for £15 they are fantastic!!! I liked the look of the shorter ones as well, but I prefer to use the same pole for ups and downs!
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Whilst in B&Q today I looked for the stanley swivel pad that Dai posted a photo of, but I couldn't find one anywhere!! Does anyone know what section they are kept in? I thought they would be in the decorating section but couldn't see them? ???
Thanks. :)
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In stafford they were next to the poles. £6.48 approx
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They are more than ok, for £15 they are fantastic!!! I liked the look of the shorter ones as well, but I prefer to use the same pole for ups and downs!
so do I thats why I didn't buy either :-\
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I do wish I had seen the harris pole before I shelled out the money I did! ;)
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yep same here next to poles
In stafford they were next to the poles. £6.48 approx
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Whilst in B&Q today I looked for the stanley swivel pad that Dai posted a photo of, but I couldn't find one anywhere!! Does anyone know what section they are kept in? I thought they would be in the decorating section but couldn't see them? ???
Thanks. :)
:o I cant understand why people are buying the Stanley pad when Harris do one which is obviously the right fit! :-[
Is the stanley better somehow? :P
Do I have to go back again and check it out? >:(
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I didn't realise that harris did a swivel pad, thanks for that I will check it out. The only one I could find was a stanley which swiveled up and down, but not sideways like the one in Dai's photos. :-\
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Crikey!! I didn't realise it was getting so late!! I'm off to bed, I've got a busy day tomorrow (actually today!) testing out my new improved (and longer) Harris pole!! ;D Watch this space for the results, hopefully on video!!
Good night! :)
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This thread is one of the biggest Ive seen in a while Groundhog, youve stirred quite alot of interest, well done, Luke
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If anyones still interested in my Harris pole I have uploaded 3 short videos to youtube, again not sure how to do a link. The first one shows me using the harris pole clampless, the second shows me using my extended 22ft harris pole on a 3 storey townhouse.
The last one is just a close up of how the extension works.
Just go onto youtube and type in the following;
Harris pole used clampless
Harris pole extension
Harris pole extension (close up)
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I didn't realise that Harris did a swivel pad, thanks for that I will check it out. The only one I could find was a stanley which swiveled up and down, but not sideways like the one in Dai's photos. :-\
Groundhog, they do swivel up and down, if you look at the photo you will see a small screw, you take out this screw and the handle pulls off. You need to turn it 90 degrees
They have changed the design a bit from the first one I made.
When you remove the handle you will see two little prongs sticking out of the swivel, cut these off, you will notice that the swivel part has two flat sides, you have to surform, or file flats on the other side before you can fit the handle back at 90 degrees. It may sound complicated but it's a 5 min job.
Once the handle is fitted back on at 90 degrees, it swivels the way we want it too.
Before you can put the screw back in, you need to drill a small hole for it to screw into.
The out side hole on the handle is already there, just need the small hole for it to screw into.
It fits onto the Harris cone, most cones are standard
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Glad to have been of help Paul, thats why I have been promoting this pole, in the hope of helping some of the members of this forum, although most of the credit must go to Dai who was the first person on here to convert a harris pole, and explain how it is done.
I also bought a Harris pole today, 2 in fact, and I have converted one of them into a 22.5ft pole!! so this will be capable of cleaning up to the 3rd floor, so I will be using it on my townhouses that I do this week, I will post another video to show how I get on. The harris pole can now really compete with the slx and other expensive poles!!!
Come on slx users, lets have a video!!!! (wear a hat and sunglasses if your that shy!!!!) ;D
Er....it could have been me!!www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=31834.0#msg248059 (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=31834.0#msg248059)
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Here are the links for you groundhog!
Harris pole used clampless www.tinyurl.co.uk/1avu (http://www.tinyurl.co.uk/1avu)
Harris pole extension www.tinyurl.co.uk/57lw (http://www.tinyurl.co.uk/57lw)
Harris pole extension (close up) www.tinyurl.co.uk/r67m (http://www.tinyurl.co.uk/r67m)
Jay.
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If anyones still interested in my Harris pole I have uploaded 3 short videos to youtube, again not sure how to do a link. The first one shows me using the harris pole clampless, the second shows me using my extended 22ft harris pole on a 3 storey townhouse.
The last one is just a close up of how the extension works.
Just go onto youtube and type in the following;
Harris pole used clampless
Harris pole extension
Harris pole extension (close up)
Groundhog
Is it ok if Jouk and I pinch your videos to post on the academy??
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Here are the links for you groundhog!
Harris pole used clampless www.tinyurl.co.uk/1avu (http://www.tinyurl.co.uk/1avu)
Harris pole extension www.tinyurl.co.uk/57lw (http://www.tinyurl.co.uk/57lw)
Harris pole extension (close up) www.tinyurl.co.uk/r67m (http://www.tinyurl.co.uk/r67m)
Jay.
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So would it be relativley easy to convert to a 22ft pole as this looks a serious proposition.
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I didn't realise that Harris did a swivel pad, thanks for that I will check it out. The only one I could find was a stanley which swiveled up and down, but not sideways like the one in Dai's photos. :-\
Groundhog, they do swivel up and down, if you look at the photo you will see a small screw, you take out this screw and the handle pulls off. You need to turn it 90 degrees
They have changed the design a bit from the first one I made.
When you remove the handle you will see two little prongs sticking out of the swivel, cut these off, you will notice that the swivel part has two flat sides, you have to surform, or file flats on the other side before you can fit the handle back at 90 degrees. It may sound complicated but it's a 5 min job.
Once the handle is fitted back on at 90 degrees, it swivels the way we want it too.
Before you can put the screw back in, you need to drill a small hole for it to screw into.
The out side hole on the handle is already there, just need the small hole for it to screw into.
It fits onto the Harris cone, most cones are standard
Cheers Dai, thats a great help mate! :)
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If anyones still interested in my Harris pole I have uploaded 3 short videos to youtube, again not sure how to do a link. The first one shows me using the harris pole clampless, the second shows me using my extended 22ft harris pole on a 3 storey townhouse.
The last one is just a close up of how the extension works.
Just go onto youtube and type in the following;
Harris pole used clampless
Harris pole extension
Harris pole extension (close up)
Groundhog
Is it ok if Jouk and I pinch your videos to post on the academy??
No probs Jeff, help yourself!! :)
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Groundhog, would you mind if i put the clips on the scsf forum ?
Arthur
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If anyones still interested in my Harris pole I have uploaded 3 short videos to youtube, again not sure how to do a link. The first one shows me using the harris pole clampless, the second shows me using my extended 22ft harris pole on a 3 storey townhouse.
The last one is just a close up of how the extension works.
Just go onto youtube and type in the following;
Harris pole used clampless
Harris pole extension
Harris pole extension (close up)
Groundhog
Is it ok if Jouk and I pinch your videos to post on the academy??
No probs Jeff, help yourself!! :)
Thanks Hoggy ;) ;) I get fed up writing Groundhog all the time ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So would it be relativley easy to convert to a 22ft pole as this looks a serious proposition.
It's very easy to do, you simply insert a 6ft length of unger number1 pole, or a similar type of pole into the end of the harris pole. I have used the spring clips from a couple of unger end adaptors, (the green bits you put your squeegee onto) to clamp it in place, you need to drill 2 holes about 6inches from either end of the unger pole, so that it can be held in place either extended or retracted, with the unger clips.
I'm not sure that I have explained this very well! If anyones interested I will do another video showing how it is done in a bit more detail. :)
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Thanks Hoggy ;) ;) I get fed up writing Groundhog all the time ;D ;D ;D ;D
That's ok Jeff, you can call me Graham if you like!! ;D
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Graham, sounds much better than Hoggy ;D ;D ;D
when you use it as a clampless, How do you have your clamps?? Just loose any old how, just tight enough to hold the pole up? or is there anything else I should know about, I don't want to spend the rest of the week in hospital with a fractured skull ;D ;D
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Groundhog, would you mind if i put the clips on the scsf forum ?
Arthur
I've no idea what that is Arthur, but seeing as its you mate, then go for it!! As long as it's legal!!! ;)
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Groundhog, would you mind if i put the clips on the scsf forum ?
Arthur
I've no idea what that is Arthur, but seeing as its you mate, then go for it!! As long as it's legal!!! ;)
Thanks Graham. It's another cleaning forum so it's legal ;D ;D
This could be your big break to become a film star ;D
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when you use it as a clampless, How do you have your clamps?? Just loose any old how, just tight enough to hold the pole up? or is there anything else I should know about, I don't want to spend the rest of the week in hospital with a fractured skull ;D ;D
I have the clamps loosened off as much as possible, I then thrust the pole upwards, you then have to trap the hose between your hand and the base of the pole, this is what holds the pole up, you simply release the hose when you want the pole to come down. It's a very quick method, particuarly when doing a lot of small - medium sized houses when you need to extend and retract the pole often. The only problem with this method is that the brush can easily swivel round, especially on awkward to reach windows.
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This could be your big break to become a film star ;D
Well as you can see from the clips, I already have the looks!! 8) ;D
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This could be your big break to become a film star ;D
Well as you can see from the clips, I already have the looks!! 8) ;D
Modest aswell ;D ;D
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Thanks Jay for posting the links, hopefully one day someone will show me how to do it myself!!! :)
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Groundhog
Are using a no1 unger section in the top pole section
If so instead of using the spring clips to hold the pole sections surely the NO1 unger clamp would have been the right diameter to fix onto the top section of the harris pole for the unger NO1 to slide into.
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Groundhog
Are using a no1 unger section in the top pole section
If so instead of using the spring clips to hold the pole sections surely the NO1 unger clamp would have been the right diameter to fix onto the top section of the harris pole for the unger NO1 to slide into.
I'm not sure Paul, I will check it out tomorrow.
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30 minutes ago the Boss walked in the door with guess what in her hand??? Now Don't be rude ;D ;D
Yep another 5M Harris Pole, She was told it was new stock and out of 5 new poles in today there are 3 left, That's those 7 gone from last week and another 2 today.
Anyone recon were having a glut on sales of Harris pole's?
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Your wife obviously knows a bargain when she see's one Jeff!!
This thread must have helped to shift quite a few extra harris poles, I've got 3 myself now - my converted 22ft, the clampless speed pole, and a spare. But judging by how hardwearing they seem, I may not need that one for quite some time!!! ;D
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I have 2x5m and 1x3m now, Ok mine cost a little extra with the heat shrink on them but come the winter there not going to stick to my hands ;D and at this price who can moan.
I would like to know when the first one of us Harris pole users breaks or has his pole wear out? if they last a few months, we can't moan unlike the expensive pole suppliers who must have lost a few Bob by now.
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I am not even doing wfp yet , but I bought two harris poles because of seeing groundhog in action ! Going to check threads about converting them ;D Think this thread will take some beating :)
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I am not even doing wfp yet , but I bought two harris poles because of seeing groundhog in action ! Going to check threads about converting them ;D Think this thread will take some beating :)
So Jonah, 3:5,6? Which cong are you in?
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did an outside of gutter and the soffits and under soffits today.. Was great the custy said don't your arms ache. I said "no" feel how light this is. Dead impressed. Just need something cheap and light upto 45 ft.
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did an outside of gutter and the soffits and under soffits today.. Was great the custy said don't your arms ache. I said "no" feel how light this is. Dead impressed. Just need something cheap and light upto 45 ft.
You should have said yes they do ache, but my kids need feeding they have no shoes on there feet, so I have to break my back to make ends meet, can I have an extra fiver please. ;D ;D
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I have 2x5m and 1x3m now, Ok mine cost a little extra with the heat shrink on them but come the winter there not going to stick to my hands ;D and at this price who can moan.
I would like to know when the first one of us Harris pole users breaks or has his pole wear out? if they last a few months, we can't moan unlike the expensive pole suppliers who must have lost a few Bob by now.
Thats my next job jeff, I'm gonna order some heat shrink tomorrow!
I will let you know when mine wears out, I've been using mine for a few weeks now, so I reckon I've had my 15 quids worth!! But I'm expecting it to last many more months, even if the clamps wear out I can still use it clampless!!
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I am not even doing wfp yet , but I bought two harris poles because of seeing groundhog in action ! Going to check threads about converting them ;D Think this thread will take some beating :)
Hi Jonah, you won't regret buying those harris poles, they have to be the best value for money pole ever!!!! ;D
If you want advice on converting them, just go back and find Dai's post on how to do it, it really is an easy job to do!! :)
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Leave it as it is Goundhog,you can`t polish a terd lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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did an outside of gutter and the soffits and under soffits today.. Was great the custy said don't your arms ache. I said "no" feel how light this is. Dead impressed. Just need something cheap and light upto 45 ft.
Lighter than the slx!! even my 22ft extended version!!! ;D
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I have 2x5m and 1x3m now, Ok mine cost a little extra with the heat shrink on them but come the winter there not going to stick to my hands ;D and at this price who can moan.
I would like to know when the first one of us Harris pole users breaks or has his pole wear out? if they last a few months, we can't moan unlike the expensive pole suppliers who must have lost a few Bob by now.
Thats my next job jeff, I'm gonna order some heat shrink tomorrow!
I will let you know when mine wears out, I've been using mine for a few weeks now, so I reckon I've had my 15 quids worth!! But I'm expecting it to last many more months, even if the clamps wear out I can still use it clampless!!
It will just be interesting to find out if there durable as none of us know for sure yet, but like you said its paid for it self and many more, many times over,
lets see your pole when you wrap it, it really does make them look a little more pro, I never fancy a customer saying, ''I bought one of those harris poles'' at least with the heat shrink on it may confuse them a little ;D ;D
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Leave it as it is Goundhog,you can`t polish a terd lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
NWH, If you want to keep credibility, you should at least have the decency to accept my challenge for you to post a video clip of you using your slx! then we could all make a comparison and decide if it really is worth over £400 more than the super value harris pole!!! ;D
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did an outside of gutter and the soffits and under soffits today.. Was great the custy said don't your arms ache. I said "no" feel how light this is. Dead impressed. Just need something cheap and light upto 45 ft.
Lighter than the slx!! even my 22ft extended version!!! ;D
Lighter maybe as good don`t be silly,it`s like saying what are you doing driving that Ferrari for you idiot look at my 3 wheeled van i get 10 times more MPG than you.My SLX is quality lamb beefy,i do give you credit for your video clips though Groundhog hats of to you,i`ll buy you an SLX then you can grow beans up your poles lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Well when are you going to post a video to show us just how good it is, I for one am looking forward to it!! If it's as good as you say, and I think it will help me to get more work done during the day, then I would happily buy one!!! :)
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Well I can tell you this for sure, I won't give any names and straight from the horses mouth.
I know of one supplier who has already bought him self a Harris pole and agreed that they are good and excellent value for money. :P
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Come on slx users, post a video of your expensive poles in action!!! I've done it (6 times), now its your turn!!!
Fairs fair after all!!!! ;)
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Well when are you going to post a video to show us just how good it is, I for one am looking forward to it!! If it's as good as you say, and I think it will help me to get more work done during the day, then I would happily buy one!!! :)
I promise you i will give you a you`ve been framered,the thing is and i`m not being a snobbish prat here,when there out i`m the same as you mate hammer and tongs and in some cases twice as quick if not more when there out but when there in if i cleaned in the customer is out mode it wouldn`t go down well.Also propping a video camera up or someone tapeing me while cleaning some of the palaces i do would go down like a bacon sarnie in a mosque,but i`ll try my best just for you and your fans. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well I can tell you this for sure, I won't give any names and straight from the horses mouth.
I know of one supplier who has already bought him self a Harris pole and agreed that they are good and excellent value for money. :P
That is just a simple case of checking out what the fuss is about nothing more i can promise you,sorry to dissapoint. :o :o :o
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Well I for one am really looking forward to it nwh!! ;D please don't dissapoint us!! ;)
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Well I can tell you this for sure, I won't give any names and straight from the horses mouth.
I know of one supplier who has already bought him self a Harris pole and agreed that they are good and excellent value for money. :P
That is just a simple case of checking out what the fuss is about nothing more i can promise you,sorry to dissapoint. :o :o :o
'O' I'm really gutted now! and I thought he told me he liked them and knew he would loose money in sales. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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i`m the same as you mate hammer and tongs and in some cases twice as quick if not more
As I've said before its all very well saying these things, post a video to prove it!!
Anyway I haven't posted a video of me working at full speed yet!! I will do that after I have seen you in action with your slx!! ;)
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Well I can tell you this for sure, I won't give any names and straight from the horses mouth.
I know of one supplier who has already bought him self a Harris pole and agreed that they are good and excellent value for money. :P
Dosn't surprise me a bit Jeff, I don't know of anyone who has used one who dosn't think they are a great pole for wfp!!
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I`m not saying that you can`t clean windows with 1,i`m saying they just look to CH.
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Groundhog, these Harris poles are brill. Just ignore the knockers. Plenty of us know and you know how brill they are. Anyway off to bed. Lots of work tomorrow.
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Well I can tell you this for sure, I won't give any names and straight from the horses mouth.
I know of one supplier who has already bought him self a Harris pole and agreed that they are good and excellent value for money. :P
Dosn't surprise me a bit Jeff, I don't know of anyone who has used one who dosn't think they are a great pole for wfp!!
Be gracious ! You proved all the doubters were on to a loser , so dont rub it in ! Time out Graham ;D
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Groundhog, these Harris poles are brill. Just ignore the knockers. Plenty of us know and you know how brill they are. AnyOway off to bed. Lots of work tomorrow.
Off to bed at this time,i hope she`s worth it lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You proved all the doubters were on to a loser , so dont rub it in ! Time out Graham ;D
Hi Jonah, I'm not meaning to be ungracious mate! I am just really interested to see a video of the slx or similar in action for myself, it would be great to be able to compare the 2 poles on opposite ends of the market! :)
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I`m not saying that you can`t clean windows with 1,i`m saying they just look to CH.
Whats CH ? ???
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I`m not saying that you can`t clean windows with 1,i`m saying they just look to CH.
Whats CH ? ???
Council House lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Groundhog, these Harris poles are brill. Just ignore the knockers. Plenty of us know and you know how brill they are. Anyway off to bed. Lots of work tomorrow.
Glad you like the pole Paul, there only seems to be one knocker left now anyway mate!! ;D
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I`m not saying that you can`t clean windows with 1,i`m saying they just look to CH.
Whats CH ? ???
Cheap
and he's right they look as cheap as an unger pole at less than half the price. ;D ;D ;D
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I`m not saying that you can`t clean windows with 1,i`m saying they just look to CH.
Whats CH ? ???
Council House lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Council houses were built to last!!! ;)
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Groundhog, these Harris poles are brill. Just ignore the knockers. Plenty of us know and you know how brill they are. Anyway off to bed. Lots of work tomorrow.
Glad you like the pole Paul, there only seems to be one knocker left now anyway mate!! ;D
Graham you proved your point , now you want to take a back seat mate ;D. You dont need to defend yourself . . . . . IMHO ;D
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seriously you were the " real deal " ! Anything after this will lower your reputation 8)
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I know your right Jonah! I'm just trying to get nwh to post his video, so we can compare the 2 poles, then I'll be happy!!! ;)
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I respect you for what you`ve done with that pole Groundhog,no doub`t you could go out and buy an SLX if you wanted to but you choose to go down the DIY route fair play to you,for your video clips and DIYism you have my respect.
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seriously you were the " real deal " ! Anything after this will lower your reputation 8)
Thanks Jonah, your right mate I think I've proved my point! Time to move on!
Any requests for my next video?? ;D
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I would gladly use the Harris and dont really understand the dispute between Harris vs SL-X. They are completely different poles. The reason I like the SL-X is because it looks really really professional and its very stiff and light.
For £15 quid though....bargain. And when I need to replace my xtels for a second user then I will be getting a Harris, Luke
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I respect you for what you`ve done with that pole Groundhog,no doub`t you could go out and buy an SLX if you wanted to but you choose to go down the DIY route fair play to you,for your video clips and DIYism you have my respect.
Thanks mate, I don't doubt that your slx is a great pole! But it would take something really special to make me part with over £400!! I'm not knocking you at all, I'm just a bit tight like that!! :)
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I respect you for what you`ve done with that pole Groundhog,no doub`t you could go out and buy an SLX if you wanted to but you choose to go down the DIY route fair play to you,for your video clips and DIYism you have my respect.
[/quote He is still an egomaniac ! Dont show him respect , we are not living in italy !
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the harris pole is good and cheap how long will it last ???????????? the clamps are bulky and catch on gutters over conservertorys , slx never used so no comment , facelift 24ft carbon fibre what more can i ask for . come and clean my windows like that and tread through my plants youd be sacked mate , im not disputing its not doing a good job but do you allways rush around and stand in peoples bushes .
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I respect you for what you`ve done with that pole Groundhog,no doub`t you could go out and buy an SLX if you wanted to but you choose to go down the DIY route fair play to you,for your video clips and DIYism you have my respect.
Thanks mate, I don't doubt that your slx is a great pole! But it would take something really special to make me part with over £400!! I'm not knocking you at all, I'm just a bit tight like that!! :)
We agree to disagree and that`s what this place is all about,at the end of the day we all clean window`s end of.The banter has been good fun though and i look forward to meeting you 1 day soon.
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I respect you for what you`ve done with that pole Groundhog,no doub`t you could go out and buy an SLX if you wanted to but you choose to go down the DIY route fair play to you,for your video clips and DIYism you have my respect.
[/quote He is still an egomaniac ! Dont show him respect , we are not living in italy !
Oh mama mia lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
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I respect you for what you`ve done with that pole Groundhog,no doub`t you could go out and buy an SLX if you wanted to but you choose to go down the DIY route fair play to you,for your video clips and DIYism you have my respect.
[/quote He is still an egomaniac ! Dont show him respect , we are not living in italy !
Jonah i`ve been looking at that picture in your avatar and do you know i think i know someone that looks just like you lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie , thats ?
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When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie , thats ?
a morrrrrnayyyyyy lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The banter has been good fun though and i look forward to meeting you 1 day soon.
Totally agree its been has fun ;D
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When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie , thats ?
a morrrrrnayyyyyy lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Try to remember this is only a virtual world ! Things are different in real life !
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do you allways rush around and stand in peoples bushes .
Don't worry Dave, if you want me to clean your windows mate, I'll take my time and stay well away from your bush!!! ;D
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I've tried to read all this, but I haven't read it all. groundhog what brush do you use? sorry if you've already been asked?
I only do it part time at the moment but trying to build up.
I like this harris pole it sounds too good to be true. I honestly don't know much about all this but appreciate help. thanks
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Hi Justen, the Harris pole really is almost too good to be true! fantstic value for money!! and as good as many poles costing £100's more!! Thats why have been singing its praises in this thread!!!
I have two harris poles, one has a lightweight vulcan brush with fan jets, and the other is also a vulkan brush but with pencil jets, I like them both, I'm still undecided as to which I prefer. If you are going to put an extension on the pole like I have then you need to get the lightest brush you can get, and fan jets would probably be best because you would probably want to rinse with the brush on the window at 3rd floor level!
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hi groundhog, good work fella!
I really hate adding to this post as is just gong on and on but, could you explain how you've added a section to the harris pole? (Its a little unclear to me from the video clip)
I managed to add two base telescopic extensions from an old 39 ft universal onto my harris pole, I'd cut them down a bit to about 5 ft each, I had to remove the clamp fom the glass fibre no. 5 section and file away the taper inside it before the harris pole would fit but it works! I measured it at 31 ft. I have a 40 ft modular emporium though so its not really nescessary just useful with hose inside and changing heights. I have an old unger 3 x 2 m pole if thats how you've done it? If I could get a working height of 25 ft I may well do the same .
simon
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for your next project groundhog you could try adapting a backpack
so it had interchangeable tanks instead of refilling
go hoggy go!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hi groundhog, good work fella!
I really hate adding to this post as is just gong on and on but, could you explain how you've added a section to the harris pole? (Its a little unclear to me from the video clip)
simon
Hi Simon, Its quite simple really, instead of inserting a 6inch piece of unger in the end of the harris pole I have inserted a piece which is nearly 6ft long, I have drilled two holes in either end about 6 inches from the ends, the holes are so you can insert a spring clip in both ends, the type that hold the green unger adaptor onto the end of your pole, I have marked the pole so that I can find the clips easily when extending the pole. You will however need a very thin pole hose, I have some 8mm(I think) black hose that I got from cleantech some time ago, this is because the clamps reduce the space inside the pole.
I'm not sure if I have explained this very well, if your still unsure I will make a clearer video, so that you can see how I've done it. :)
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for your next project groundhog you could try adapting a backpack
so it had interchangeable tanks instead of refilling
go hoggy go!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Gary but I don't do backpacks, I like to run between windows, and a backpack just slows me down!!! :)
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I want to put the heat shrink tubing on my harris pole later.
I don't have a heat gun.
But i do have a kettle, a wallpaper stripper, a steam gun thing that you can use on cookers.
A gas cooker.
Out of those which one would work the best.
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I want to put the heat shrink tubing on my harris pole later.
I don't have a heat gun.
But i do have a kettle, a wallpaper stripper, a steam gun thing that you can use on cookers.
A gas cooker.
Out of those which one would work the best.
Any type of steam will work. nothing that runs under 70 deg will work.
I used the steam from the kettle, get something heavy to hold the kettle switch down/in, if you use it.
Work as small area at a time and as you go along the pole.
As it shrinks turn your pole, one thing I found good, was to get the boss to pull the shrink from the end that wasn't done, this stretched it nice and tight, (you don't have to do this)
Wipe the pole before you stick the heatshrink on it, nothing worse than a bit of crap stuck under the wrap.
It will look good when its done.
When its done, put a picture up. ;)
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I've had a great day today with my harris pole, the more I use it the more I like it!! I'm going to put some heat shrink on it at the weekend, and I'm also planning to make a Harris Super pole! which will not only extend to about 25ft, but will close down to 5ft 7" !! which will make it a match for any pole on the market!!! ;D
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I've had a great day today with my harris pole, the more I use it the more I like it!! I'm going to put some heat shrink on it at the weekend, and I'm also planning to make a Harris Super pole! which will not only extend to about 25ft, but will close down to 5ft 7" !! which will make it a match for any pole on the market!!! ;D
Are you on commision with B&Q ? LOL ;D
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I wish I was mate!! I'm just trying to help out my fellow forum members!!! :D
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speed he cleans windows gotta be a rich man already ;D
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speed he cleans windows gotta be a rich man already ;D
Just wait till I post my speed cleaning video!! I was going slow in the other videos!!! ;D
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Thanks for that jeff.
I will put a pic up tomorrow when its done
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If or when the clamps wear out or break, I have a solution to renew the clamps at the cost of a few penny's and items available in your shed.
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Great stuff jeff so unless you actually bend the pole they could indead last a long time
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If you know about the little clips in the Unger pole? You will well know what a pain in the rear they were, if just one of the 2 clips would even crack the pole would collapse.
I got fed up with this as I had a long drive for a couple of bobs worth of clips.
I decided to try an Idea I had and it worked a treat, so one day I'll stick some photo's and instructions up.
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If or when the clamps wear out or break, I have a solution to renew the clamps at the cost of a few penny's and items available in your shed.
How do you know what's in my shed, you been looking while I've been out working ;D ;D ;D
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If or when the clamps wear out or break, I have a solution to renew the clamps at the cost of a few penny's and items available in your shed.
Sounds interesting Jeff, although I have to say the clamps on my pole seem very durable! If as you say they are easy to repair, a Harris pole could potentionally last for years!!!! ;D
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If or when the clamps wear out or break, I have a solution to renew the clamps at the cost of a few penny's and items available in your shed.
Sounds interesting Jeff, although I have to say the clamps on my pole seem very durable! If as you say they are easy to repair, a Harris pole could potentionally last for years!!!! ;D
I got one ;D and its on vid lol only clips as I was being followed about lmao
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Who was following you Ian, was it the little orange men? They don't like parting with their Harris poles you know!!! ;D
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Who was following you Ian, was it the little orange men? They don't like parting with their Harris poles you know!!! ;D
Orange men and woman at first cam was not even recording ::) then a manager cheap suit and tie. WFP MAFIA HITS CAMBS, only wanted to show all where the poles would be :( I may try bedford tomorrow and leave film rolling for a youtube funny clip.
Ian
p.s I was even going to give them free advertising on a site I am doing, something I dont do freely
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Ian how much would it be for 1 web page advertising what you do and paypal facility.
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Ian how much would it be for 1 web page advertising what you do and paypal facility.
page on my site or your own ?
£49 for an area if its not already gone you can use as you own it need be, and the other prices are on my site under webdesign link.
Paypal payment would cost no more but I would need to speak in private about this matter as I would not post the details on a forum.
Give me a call I dont bite
Ian
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Just read this entire thread, took some time, boy is it long.
I am with NWH with his views on this Harris pole. It's far too whippy for my liking. I would never buy one despite them being excellent value for money at next to nothing. The reason I would never buy one has got nothing to do with the pole being whippy but for the simple reason 'twist lock' clamps agravate and flare up my arthritus- so for me it's a big no, no, end of story.
As for Groundhog's speed: there's nothing wrong with working at that speed on maintenance cleans providing you use enough water flow to match. The higher the water flow, the quicker you got to work. I too, only rub, not rinse on translucent (bathroom) windows as you only have to loosen the dirt and the weight of the water will pull the dirt down the glass. If there's any dirt left it will be miniscule and won't be noticeable from inside. The only thing you got to watch out for rinsing too quickly is splash backs from gritty tiled concrete sills that splash back onto the glass. Answer is to run a final rinse on the last 2inches of glass at the bottom before moving on to the next pane of glass.
When I clean a window, I always rub the top of the frame, then the sides, then any top openers and rinse them at the same time before rubbing the remaining glass.
Rinsing, I start from the top of the glass, (not the frames) and work my way down to the bottom ensuring I have a nice sheeting action coming down the glass with my brush. If the rinsed water sheets easily, the glass can be cleaned in seconds as I'll let the water run down the glass and lift my brush off, turning the water flow off half way down. If it doesn't sheet, then I'll make sure the brush pulls the water and gritty particles down to the bottom of the pane and finish with a wipe along the sill providing it's PVC.
I am not camera shy and if anyone has a camcorder as I don't posses one, they are welcome to film me cleaning windows with my my Facelift or SL-X poles and post them on here for Groundhog to compare the difference between using a rigid pole and a whippy pole. I think it would be interesting to hear constructive critism and for someone to point out any bad habits I've developed.
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Just read this entire thread, took some time, boy is it long.
I am with NWH with his views on this Harris pole. It's far too whippy for my liking. I would never buy one despite them being excellent value for money at next to nothing. The reason I would never buy one has got nothing to do with the pole being whippy but for the simple reason 'twist lock' clamps agravate and flare up my arthritus- so for me it's a big no, no, end of story.
As for Groundhog's speed: there's nothing wrong with working at that speed on maintenance cleans providing you use enough water flow to match. The higher the water flow, the quicker you got to work. I too, only rub, not rinse on translucent (bathroom) windows as you only have to loosen the dirt and the weight of the water will pull the dirt down the glass. If there's any dirt left it will be miniscule and won't be noticeable from inside. The only thing you got to watch out for rinsing too quickly is splash backs from gritty tiled sills that splash back onto the glass. Answer is to run a final rinse on the last 2inches of glass at the bottom before moving on to the next pane of glass.
When I clean a window, I always rub the top of the frame, then the sides, then any top openers and rinse them at the same time before rubbing the remaining glass.
Rinsing, I start from the top of the glass, (not the frames) and work my way down to the bottom ensuring I have a nice sheeting action coming down the glass with my brush. If the rinsed water sheets easily, the glass can be cleaned in seconds as I'll let the water run down the glass and lift my brush off, turning the water flow off half way down. If it doesn't sheet, then I'll make sure the brush pulls the water and gritty particles down to the bottom of the pane and finish with a wipe along the sill providing it's PVC.
I am not camera shy and if anyone has a camcorder as I don't posses one, they are welcome to film me cleaning windows with my my Facelift or SL-X poles and post them on here for Groundhog to compare the difference between using a rigid pole and a whippy pole. I think it would be interesting to hear constructive critism and for someone to point out any bad habits I've developed.
Wayne I did a vid for you today with a short pole on downstairs ;) I will up load it on the weekend.
not sure if it is faster or not will take my agaes to work out the times but do it I will as I could well be wrong and you right.
Ian
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If you do a lot of bottom windows in restricted spaces (i.e. conservatory) and the van is nearby it's just as easy to use a smaller pole and it gives you a break from holding a heavier pole.
I prefer to use a decent swivel brush so I get the best of both worlds because it's not so awkward to clean ground windows with a long pole. Also, it's so much easier cleaning bedroom windows above porches with a swivelled brush and definitely quicker because it feels more natural once you get use to it. Also able to get into the corners you couldn't without a swivel on.
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If you do a lot of bottom windows in restricted spaces (i.e. conservatory) and the van is nearby it's just as easy to use a smaller pole and it gives you a break from holding a heavier pole.
I prefer to use a decent swivel brush so I get the best of both worlds because it's not so awkward to clean ground windows with a long pole. Also, it's so much easier cleaning bedroom windows above porches with a swivelled brush and definitely quicker because it feels more natural once you get use to it. Also able to get into the corners you couldn't without a swivel on.
Swivel I am yet to try, it is on my to do list, auto brush is on it way to give it a go, I am always open to anyone saying how I can better cleaning in speed (perfect finish I do as standard hopefully)
Ian
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Can someone lend Wayne a camera? as I am still waiting for someone to post a vid of an expensive pole (slx/facelift) in action, simply to see the comparison! As for the Harris pole being whippy, well I've used quite a few far more expensive poles and I would say that the Harris is just as stiff as any of them! I don't think that I would like to use a pole that was too stiff anyway, as I believe this would slow me down!! A little bit of whip is a good thing, as you only have to make small movements with your arms and the pole does the work for you, you can also use the whip to reach awkward windows ie behind conservatory roofs ect.
And Wayne I was concerned about the twistlock clamps when I first saw the pole, as I can remember the nightmare I used to have using my old powerpole with twistlocks!!! :( But the clamps on the Harris are a joy to use, give them a try next time your in B&Q and you'll see what I mean!! :)
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now we can really mod the harris pole just get your name on this and add it to your pole, www.lemarkgroup.com/custom_product/10/heat-shrink-cable-labels
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Just got back from holiday and have viewed the above You tube videos of the Harris pole.
I was quite impressed with the pole, it does the job for a very cheap price. It obviously has it's height and flexibility limitations, but it is cheap.
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now we can really mod the harris pole just get your name on this and add it to your pole, www.lemarkgroup.com/custom_product/10/heat-shrink-cable-labels
I like the look of that jouk!! :)
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been using mine for a week now.... mostly as a clampless on my domestic.... i like the option to go clampless or use clamps when needed, its light, and the sections slide out with ease.....and for £15....what a bargain ;D
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Had a look at one in Salisbury today, yep definately a bargain! The biggest problem there could be,would come from bashing it and dinging the metal which would make it difficult to extend but for £15 who cares! Didn't buy it 'cos i don't need one, but would recommend one to anybody starting up.
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I used my converted 22ft Harris today, with a 6ft bamboo extension taped on the end!!!! With my wifes digital camera taped to the end of the bamboo to survey some 3rd floor guttering I have to clean, it worked a treat, and created a lot of interest from the residents, who all seemed to agree that it was a fantastic piece of equipment!!!! ;D
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Is it a digital video camera ?
I have loads of comments when they see my cctv on the end of the pole.
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Yes Jeff, its a small digital camera that also takes short video clips. Its the same one that I have used for the clips I put onto youtube.
It's not as sophisticated as your system Jeff to say the least!!! I have to bring the camera back down to view the footage, unlike yours, but it worked very well and I could clearly see what was up there!!
The residents who were watching seemed to think it was a very expensive system!! I don't think they realised that it was actually a cheap camera taped to a piece of bamboo, which was attached to a £15 B&Q pole!!! ;D But who cares it works!! ;)
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Yes Jeff, its a small digital camera that also takes short video clips. Its the same one that I have used for the clips I put onto youtube.
It's not as sophisticated as your system Jeff to say the least!!! I have to bring the camera back down to view the footage, unlike yours, but it worked very well and I could clearly see what was up there!!
The residents who were watching seemed to think it was a very expensive system!! I don't think they realised that it was actually a cheap camera taped to a piece of bamboo, which was attached to a £15 B&Q pole!!! ;D But who cares it works!! ;)
Mines not sophisticated, its just a cctv security camera, that I knocked up, saving myself several hundreds of pounds but like you found out, the custy's don't know this and they think its great.
I used it on a Job last week when a one off custy phoned me because they had blocked guttering and water was getting into there extension.
When I got there, I checked under the bucket for my money and before I started :o
Stuck the cctv upto the guttering.
The first thing I came across was 2 tennis balls, further along the guttering and stuck in the down pipe was another Tennis ball, I removed the tennis balls and all the water flowed happily down the drain. All this was done from the ground and thanks to cctv.
I also have one of those £50 digital cameras from Maplins, but I have never tried it out yet, I must buy some batteries for it. ;D
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Stuck the cctv upto the guttering.
The first thing I came across was 2 tennis balls, further along the guttering and stuck in the down pipe was another Tennis ball, I removed the tennis balls and all the water flowed happily down the drain. All this was done from the ground and thanks to cctv.
Brilliant!!!! ;D
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Isnt it time to put this baby to bed now ? Started out well , but there is only so much milage in this ::)
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Isnt it time to put this baby to bed now ? Started out well , but there is only so much milage in this ::)
jonah, No disrespect meant by any means, but I don't read topics that I have no interest in, so if your not interested, why read it???
Just wondering out loud.
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Isnt it time to put this baby to bed now ? Started out well , but there is only so much milage in this ::)
Theres no end to the talents of the Harris pole!!! I haven't even got started yet, just wait til I've finished my Harris Super pole!!! It will be 24ft long and close down to 5ft 7" and will be a match for any pole on the market!!! and all for a few quid!!!! ;D
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Isnt it time to put this baby to bed now ? Started out well , but there is only so much milage in this ::)
jonah, No disrespect meant by any means, but I don't read topics that I have no interest in, so if your not interested, why read it???
Just wondering out loud.
Ok , point taken you love your poles , and you want to talk about them ! Would be nice to show your face to the family once in a while ;D
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My family is sat right next to me on her embroidery machine ;D ;D
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And mines right next to me on the playstation!! ;D
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Come back Jonah!! :o
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WoW! :o :o
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Theres no end to the talents of the Harris pole!!! I haven't even got started yet, just wait til I've finished my Harris Super pole!!! It will be 24ft long and close down to 5ft 7" and will be a match for any pole on the market!!! and all for a few quid!!!! ;D
Its not difficult to shorten the Harris sections to 5ft or whatever you want, but you go first Groundhog- its your baby ;)
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Its not difficult to shorten the Harris sections to 5ft or whatever you want, but you go first Groundhog- its your baby ;)
I'm planning on cutting down a Harris pole to around 5ft 7 or maybe even less, and then adding an unger number 1 and an unger number 5 extension at either end, then putting on some heatshrink to make it look pretty!! The result will hopefully be the perfect pole!!! ;D
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Am i reading right,it sounds like your reverting back to the old unger tele plus pole to me.This pole can no longer be called a Harris pole then lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Its going to be a modified Harris pole, the basic Harris pole is ideal as it is in my opinion!! And I think that most people on here now agree that it is a fantastic value for money pole!!!
I'm still waiting for an slx/facelift user to post a vid to show why their pole is worth £400+ more than the Harris!! But as yet no one has taken up the challenge!! The only justification they seem to be able to give for the extra cost is that the slx is shorter when closed down, and less whippy! Thats why I'm going to make one that extends as far as the slx and retracts to 5ft 7", the same as an slx!!! The shorter lengths will possibly make it stiffer as well, although I have no problem with a little bit of whip as it helps me to clean windows much faster than if the pole was more rigid!!! :)
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Hmm the mrs gets the whip out on me occasionally - quite nice :P
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If you were right we would all be buying cheap fiberglass poles wouldn`t we,for years WFPolers have been looking for light ridgid poles not bo whips.Carbon carbon is the only thing i want to clean with,i`ve even cut down a facelift carbon to use on stuff that`s only 20ft,it`s like a stair rod and about the same in weight.
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If you were right we would all be buying cheap fiberglass poles wouldn`t we.Carbon carbon is the only thing i want to clean with
No, they snap!!! ;D But many of us are now using super cheap but incredibly good Harris poles, and finding them just as good as any expensive Carbon carbon ;D pole on the market!!! ;)
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Its going to be a modified Harris pole, the basic Harris pole is ideal as it is in my opinion!! And I think that most people on here now agree that it is a fantastic value for money pole!!!
I'm still waiting for an slx/facelift user to post a vid to show why their pole is worth £400+ more than the Harris!! But as yet no one has taken up the challenge!! The only justification they seem to be able to give for the extra cost is that the slx is shorter when closed down, and less whippy! Thats why I'm going to make one that extends as far as the slx and retracts to 5ft 7", the same as an slx!!! The shorter lengths will possibly make it stiffer as well, although I have no problem with a little bit of whip as it helps me to clean windows much faster than if the pole was more rigid!!! :)
Just a point, a more flexible pole will always take more energy to brush a window clean than a rigid pole. The speed may be the same but the energy expended to achieve the same effect will be a lot greater.
Whilst the flexibility of a Harris pole is OK at 15ft (which from your videos, it is), if you extrapolated this to a 25ft pole it would become almost unusable.
I am sure the Harris pole is proving to be a very useful tool but there really is a world of difference between these type of poles and a purpose built carbon fibre pole (apart from the cost :D ). Admittedly I would not bother buying a 15ft carbon fibre pole as it would be overkill. However the option of a carbon fibre pole at 25ft which can then also be used on ground level work is a pole that many people do want, myself included. It all depends on whether a 15ft pole will reach all of your work, which for many domestic window cleaners it will.
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A 15ft pole wouldn't reach half my domestic customers bedroom windows as they are very old houses with high windows almost equal to modern 3 storey town houses. I for one wouldn't use whippy poles at that height given a choice of poles to choose from.
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Just a point, a more flexible pole will always take more energy to brush a window clean than a rigid pole. The speed may be the same but the energy expended to achieve the same effect will be a lot greater.
Whilst the flexibility of a Harris pole is OK at 15ft (which from your videos, it is)
I am sure the Harris pole is proving to be a very useful tool but there really is a world of difference between these type of poles and a purpose built carbon fibre pole (apart from the cost :D ).
Disagree about the energy expanded, the only time the whip comes into affect is on the side to side movements at the top of the pane, I just have to give the pole a little flick and it does the work for me!! If it was totally rigid, I would have to do all the work myself. A bit of whip= more speed. It also helps me to reach hard to reach windows eg behind conservatory roofs ect.
You obviously did not watch all the videos as my Harris pole extends to 22.5ft, and is very usable at that height!!!
You say there is a world of difference between the Harris and the slx, well there really ought to be with a price difference of over £400!!!! I have posted videos to show what my harris pole can do, (although I haven't posted a full speed vid as yet) The idea was so that a slx/facelift user could then post a video of an expensive pole in action, so that we could all compare the 2, then we could decide if it really is worth paying out an extra £400+ for what is basically the same tool!!!
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Err, going off topic slightly, my wife just bought a brand new Skoda Fabia Greenline on friday. It's averaging 67mpg at the moment, pulls like a train and seats five and the road tax is £35 ............ so who needs a Ferrari or an Aston?
Similar argument wouldn't you agree?
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A 15ft pole wouldn't reach half my domestic customers bedroom windows as they are very old houses with high windows almost equal to modern 3 storey town houses. I for one wouldn't use whippy poles at that height given a choice of poles to choose from.
Wayne an unmodified Harris pole is 16.5ft, and mine extends to 22.5ft with the extension I have fitted!!
If your pole is better then post a vid to prove it as I have done!!!! ;)
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Err, going off topic slightly, my wife just bought a brand new Skoda Fabia Greenline on friday. It's averaging 67mpg at the moment, pulls like a train and seats five and the road tax is £35 ............ so who needs a Ferrari or an Aston?
Similar argument wouldn't you agree?
Similar argument yeah right,i can`t see many people trading there ferrari`s or Aston martins in for a skoda can you,and that`s a similar argument to the Harris SLX-facelift topic.
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one of my very first poles was a pulex one that i used for trad cleaning. I stuck a brush on the end and used it. It was winter and made my hands cold, and the twist connections were horrible in the cold. It was too long for downstairs use.
Your pole is not objectively as good as an xtel thats just fact.
Subjectively you and many others may prefer it because of better wear and lower price.
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If your pole is better then post a vid to prove it as I have done!!!! ;)
Groundhog I think you are getting a bit carried away. OK you have posted a video, but it dosn't prove anything except you can clean the windows on the video with the pole. I wouldn't think anyone right from the start would have doubted that an upstairs house window could be cleaned with that type of pole. Someone could very easily do a video that would prove their pole was far far better, all they would have to do is a video cleaning a window above a conservatory for instance.
Don't think for a minute that people are avoiding doing a video because their pole is inferior, they are more likely not doing one because they don't want to for some reason or another. How long has it taken you to do your extra fast speed video, since you made up your mind you are going to do it? I am not knocking the pole, if someone wants to buy a £15.00 pole then fair play to them, but just because it will reach a second floor window, dosn't mean it is better than a £400 pole.
Peter
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The pole is as good as any i have ever used, maybe not the best in every way but
Pros and cons ? more pros than cons than most poles.
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This reply i am now doing is the 400th post on this thread and with hand on heart i can honestly say that i have learnt nothing new,modifying a painters pole was done ages and ages ago it was then done with a tele plus pole from unger,i`m seriously thinking about putting a brush on a broom handle and starting another new trend.Next time someone comes up with an idea to make are job easier can we make it original please lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::)
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How long has it taken you to do your extra fast speed video, since you made up your mind you are going to do it?
Peter
I didn't say an extra fast video, I said a video of me cleaning at full speed. The video will be posted next week!!! ;)
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Err, going off topic slightly, my wife just bought a brand new Skoda Fabia Greenline on friday. It's averaging 67mpg at the moment, pulls like a train and seats five and the road tax is £35 ............ so who needs a Ferrari or an Aston?
Similar argument wouldn't you agree?
No not really!! both cars will get me from A to B, but the Ferrari or Aston will pull me more birds!!! ;D A window cleaning pole, no matter how flash, will not help me pull any birds!!!!!! ;)
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Someone could very easily do a video that would prove their pole was far far better, all they would have to do is a video cleaning a window above a conservatory for instance.
Peter
I will post a video of me using the harris pole above a conservatory next week, someone else can post a vid of there pole doing the same and we will make a comparison.
You all seem to be good at talking the talk, lets see someone walk the walk for a change!!!!!!!!!
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Next time someone comes up with an idea to make are job easier can we make it original please lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nobody said it was original, it was just to prove that this brilliant value pole from B&Q could be used to do exactly the same job as a £400+ carbon pole. As I have said if your pole is so much better, then prove it with a video!!!!!!!!! ;)
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Nobody said it was original, it was just to prove that this brilliant value pole from B&Q could be used to do exactly the same job as a £400+ carbon pole. As I have said if your pole is so much better, then prove it with a video!!!!!!!!! ;)
OK in my last post I should have looked back and quoted you about the speed thing to get my wording right.
I should also have made it clear what I was meaning about the proving it on a video. What I meant was a £400 24' pole working at full height would be proved to be much much better than a Harris pole in a video, for the simple reason the Harris dosn't go to that height. Now supposing the two poles could reach the same window, and were both videoed doing so then it would be hard to prove which was better. Yes you would see the Harris pole bend much more, but there is other things that come into play that have already been mentioned before.
Peter
peter
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Graham, did you see my pictures I posted for you? on your other topic
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Check my videos Peter, my modified Harris pole extends to 22.5ft, its slightly bendy at that height, but works fine!! When I have completed my new improved version, it will work even better at that height!! :)
I don't really want to argue about which pole is best, I just wanted to show others a great value pole, and prove what it could do on video, after certain people tried to rubbish it!!
It is without doubt the best window cleaning pole I have ever used, and I have used quite a few ie powerpole, extel, predator, modified unger ect, all of which were much more expensive than the harris pole!!! But yet the harris pole is lighter, more durable, has easier to use clamps, and slides in and out more smoothly than any of the above!!! That is why I am so impressed with it, and wanted to let everyone know about it!!!
If I thought for one minute that there was a pole out there that would make my working day easier, and most importantly help me get more work done in the day than my harris pole then I would buy it like a shot!!! But I don't believe that even the most expensive carbon pole will allow me to get any more work done than I can do with my value for money harris, that's why I would like someone to post a video to show me why I should part with £400+ for a pole instead of £15!!!!!
So someone please post a video of their slx/facelift or whatever in action, so we can make a proper comparison!!!!
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Graham, did you see my pictures I posted for you? on your other topic
I saw the pictures of your mk11 gutter tongs!! they look great, and when I get a bit of spare time I'm going to attempt something similar myself, 1st of all I'm going to copy your mk1 gutter thingy, which I think is a brilliantly simple idea!! As all the best ideas always are - simple yet affective! Cheers mate :)
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If I thought for one minute that there was a pole out there that would make my working day easier, and most importantly help me get more work done in the day than my harris pole then I would buy it like a shot!!! But I don't believe that even the most expensive carbon pole will allow me to get any more work done than I can do with my value for money harris, that's why I would like someone to post a video to show me why I should part with £400+ for a pole instead of £15!!!!!
This can't be shown in a none professional low resolution video, go & buy one to see for yourself. you've just contradicted yourself BTW, you state at 22.5ft the harris is bendy so for a start the sl-x is easier & quicker to use. there you go, now go & become a pro'. ;)
Tony
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This can't be shown in a none professional low resolution video, go & buy one to see for yourself. you've just contradicted yourself BTW, you state at 22.5ft the harris is bendy so for a start the sl-x is easier & quicker to use. there you go, now go & become a pro'. ;)
Tony
I am a proffessional businessman, and as such I don't waste my money on equipment that is not going to improve the way I work. If the slx is quicker then it can be proved on a video clip, a proffessional video clip could be edited and altered in many ways, my clips show it as it is, warts n all, as I said before, if your gonna talk the talk then at least be brave enough to walk the walk!!!
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Groundhog I think you are getting a bit carried away. Someone could very easily do a video that would prove their pole was far far better, all they would have to do is a video cleaning a window above a conservatory for instance.
Peter
I'm still waiting for the video Peter!!! Here is a video of the Harris pole cleaning a window above a conservatory roof as promised, notice how the slight whip in the pole makes it easier to clean the lower part of the window!!!
Still haven't worked out how to do the link, but its on youtube and its called 'Harris pole above conservatory roof'
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Groundhog I think you are getting a bit carried away. Someone could very easily do a video that would prove their pole was far far better, all they would have to do is a video cleaning a window above a conservatory for instance.
Peter
I'm still waiting for the video Peter!!! Here is a video of the Harris pole cleaning a window above a conservatory roof as promised, notice how the slight whip in the pole makes it easier to clean the lower part of the window!!!
Still haven't worked out how to do the link, but its on youtube and its called 'Harris pole above conservatory roof'
Ground hog, do you have msn messenger ? if so add me wicks1976@hotmail.com
I would like to have a chat with ya, can also help you out a little on other things.
Ian
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just like to say thanks to groundhog
cos there are not many saying that ,great thread by the way
mike
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just like to say thanks to groundhog
cos there are not many saying that ,great thread by the way
mike
Thanks Mike, its good to be appreciated!! :)
Ground hog, do you have msn messenger ? if so add me wicks1976@hotmail.com
I would like to have a chat with ya, can also help you out a little on other things.
Ian
Yes I think my wife uses msn, not sure how to use it, and the wifes gone out to her weekly pub quiz, so can't ask her! I will ask her when she gets in, and let you know our address. I'm intrigued to know what you want to have a chat about!!! :)
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Groundhog,
I had my photo taken today using a Facelift pole by a female Aussie holiday maker cleaning some high rise flats down Dartmouth today. I gave her my email address on my business card and she promised to send me my pic by email. When I get it I'll post it on here for you to compare the rigidity of this pole. Anyone got a camcorder I could borrow to show Groundhog an SLX in action.
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Groundhog,
I had my photo taken today using a Facelift pole by a female Aussie holiday maker cleaning some high rise flats down Dartmouth today. I gave her my email address on my business card and she promised to send me my pic by email. When I get it I'll post it on here for you to compare the rigidity of this pole. Anyone got a camcorder I could borrow to show Groundhog an SLX in action.
Where do you live wayne ?
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I live in the village of Kingsteignton in Newton Abbot, Devon. 16 miles from Exeter. 6 miles from Varitech out Heathfield.
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Groundhog,
I had my photo taken today using a Facelift pole by a female Aussie holiday maker cleaning some high rise flats down Dartmouth today. I gave her my email address on my business card and she promised to send me my pic by email. When I get it I'll post it on here for you to compare the rigidity of this pole. Anyone got a camcorder I could borrow to show Groundhog an SLX in action.
Looking forward to it Wayne!!! Why did she take your photo though mate?? Surely your not saying that you pulled because you were using a facelift!!! ;D
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I live in the village of Kingsteignton in Newton Abbot, Devon. 16 miles from Exeter. 6 miles from Varitech out Heathfield.
Little far for me to let you borrow it m8.
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Her son is a window cleaner in Aussie land and she was intrigued how high I could clean with a pole.
She wants to show her son how I cleaned high windows without ladders.
She watched me clean the windows and then asked me how I was going to dry the windows, I laughed and then I explained to her how the WFP method works. :)
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Oh thats ok then Wayne, if you'd pulled because you were using a facelift, I would have bought one!!! ;D
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Groundhog, you don't need to flirt with a Facelift :)
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Groundhog, you don't need to flirt with a Facelift :)
I don't need a facelift, I'm gorgeous just the way I am!!!! ;D
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Next time you do a video stop running so we can get a proper look at you then lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Here you go, a 44ft facelift at full reach, get your harris this high @ the same weight & rigidity with instantly removable sections so i can use it at any length without all the extra sections & i'll take you seriousley. Don't forget I HAVE HARRIS, FACELIFT & SL-X POLES!!!!!
I do find your new found fame/enthusiasm rather amusing mind. ;)
Pro.
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Groundhog, you don't need to flirt with a Facelift :)
I don't need a facelift, I'm gorgeous just the way I am!!!! ;D
Now that is funny
:o ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Pure class that,build-clamps-removable sections that pole is absolute quality,i would honestly say it`s the best there is as it ticks every box on the sheet.You can earn back what it costs in no time,mine looks the same as when i got it.
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I found some 3 storey windows today that my SL-X pole couldn't reach (was about 8ft too short to even reach the window sills), hence why I used my facelift 44ft pole today. They're both excellent poles.
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Here you go, a 44ft facelift at full reach, get your harris this high @ the same weight & rigidity with instantly removable sections so i can use it at any length without all the extra sections & i'll take you seriousley. Don't forget I HAVE HARRIS, FACELIFT & SL-X POLES!!!!!
I do find your new found fame/enthusiasm rather amusing mind. ;)
Pro.
Nice picture, but it does not prove anything, I want to see it in action on a video. I'm not interested in what kind of height it can go to, most of us rarely need anything above 25ft, which the harris pole is perfectly capable of with a minor modification. Come on guys, post a like for like video, so that we can make a proper comparison.
I've always been enthusiastic about my business, I don't know why you should find it so amusing? I'm just trying to add something useful and interesting to the forum, and hopefully help a few people along the way!!! :)
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Wayne, Thats the problem with any pole, never satisfied with the one we have we just keep trying to make it go higher :)
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I've been using the SL-X pole on every job possible but sometimes it's not enough height. If only it went higher, I keep saying to myself. If it went to 45 ft I'd be over the moon and would consider leaving my Facelift at home. Roll on the SL-X2.
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maybe you could stick one or two modular sections in the base to get a bit higher ?
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I'm going to try and fit a spare telescopic pole (Ionics or Facelift) on the end of it to make it go higher if it will fit.
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Not sure of the thickness of the SL but it may need an external collar to stop the telescopic pole bursting out through the sides.
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I'll only fit an extension if it's a very tight snug fit and allow twice the recommended safe length to remain inside the next section down so as not to put any strain on it. If it's not safe I won't fit a telescopic extension.
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I use pvc tape wrap to get the snug fit and found you only need it in two places say 10 -12" apart to spread the load. Of course it only works if the hose is outside or partly outside the pole. Oh and if the Slx is parallel sections you will need to create a tape stop to prevent it sliding up the inside of the higher pole.
Sorry if I am trying to teach you to suck eggs
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I use pvc tape wrap to get the snug fit and found you only need it in two places say 10 -12" apart to spread the load. Of course it only works if the hose is outside or partly outside the pole
I use velcro wrap (the smooth stuff, not the rough) as I find the poles glides better. I'm sure someone will come up with the DIY answer to this SL-X extension very soon. :)
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Bamboo works very well....... apparently.
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Next time you do a video stop running so we can get a proper look at you then lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I never stop running mate! but in my next video, probably showing me working at full speed, as requested by djw and Peter, I will stop running briefly and give you a quick wink, just for you!!!! ;)
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That's favourtism, what about the rest of us Groundhog, aren't we worthy of a wink as well? :o
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That's favourtism, what about the rest of us Groundhog, aren't we worthy of a wink as well? :o
;D ;D
Oh go on then Wayne, you've twisted my arm, I'll give the whole forum one big wink in my next video!!! I don't want anyone to get jealous now do I !!!!!! ;)
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I have fitted an extra cone to the Harris. I had an old pole that was a nice push fit onto the top section of the Harris, I cut it just below the clamp and glued it onto the Harris with epoxy resin, the Harris now takes the Unger no 1 section making it 6 ft longer.
I could add another 6 ft by inserting the Harris pole into the Unger no 5 section, this would take it to a fraction under 28ft.
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That's favourtism, what about the rest of us Groundhog, aren't we worthy of a wink as well? :o
;D ;D
Oh go on then Wayne, you've twisted my arm, I'll give the whole forum one big wink in my next video!!! I don't want anyone to get jealous now do I !!!!!! ;)
Just me on the first 1 please,the others will have to wait for the next. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have fitted an extra cone to the Harris. I had an old pole that was a nice push fit onto the top section of the Harris, I cut it just below the clamp and glued it onto the Harris with epoxy resin, the Harris now takes the Unger no 1 section making it 6 ft longer.
I could add another 6 ft by inserting the Harris pole into the Unger no 5 section, this would take it to a fraction under 28ft.
Nice one Dai, have you seen the video of my extended Harris pole? I have also added a 6ft piece of unger number1, but I didn't do it the same as you as I used spring clips, so the unger extension is either fully extended or fully retracted, it works well, but maybe the clamp would have been better, I'm not sure?
I have ordered an unger number 5 extension from Wintecs, this should arrive tomorrow, I will let you know how it works! :)
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Just me on the first 1 please,the others will have to wait for the next. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Perhaps I will do two winks then, the first one will be for you NWH, seeing as you did ask first!! ;)
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; ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DNICE looks a bit whipey sir ! Twist lock is straining ! :P
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; ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DNICE looks a bit whipey sir ! Twist lock is straining ! :P
Please explain your reply Ryan!! ??? As it doesn't make a lot of sense!!! :-\
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havent managed any extensions yet but put heat shrink on pole
looks good in blue :)
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havent managed any extensions yet but put heat shrink on pole
looks good in blue :)
Post a photo Gary, if you get chance. Did you find the heat shrink easy to use? as I have some on order. Thats my next job, after I have perfected my 30ft Harris pole!!! :)
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i ordered wrap as was advised 4 x .5mt £7.35 with delivery came next day
got my heat gun out on lowest setting slowly went down pole cut excess off
took ten mins really simple
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Just to show those who are interested i now got my harris pole all together with new sill brush and trigger.
and heat shrinked in blue
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll102/pjuk/ICAM0001r.jpg)
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Looks good Paul!! :)
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Thanks groundhog just got to try it out now but it seems a bit sturdier than my extel
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you beat me to it groundhog!
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Paul.
Is the Pole light and easy to use on manily 1st floor windows in your opinion,What is the height of pole when it is collapsed?
Sorry for the questions,but I will be asking loads soon for Groundhog to answer as I will try to make one up for myself....
Cheers, Tony.
PS: The pole looks cool!!!!!
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Tony
I could not tell you what its like i have not used it yet, i have only extended it so far and its seems fairly light.
Tomorrow i will put the water on ;D
Its about 6ft collapsed.
I dare groundhog, jeff or dai will be able to answer your questions
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Paul.
Is the Pole light and easy to use on manily 1st floor windows in your opinion,What is the height of pole when it is collapsed?
Sorry for the questions,but I will be asking loads soon for Groundhog to answer as I will try to make one up for myself....
Cheers, Tony.
PS: The pole looks cool!!!!!
Its very light in use all day long, My eldest girl was having problems using my Hybrid all day, since she change over to the harris pole, she's happy and had no problems.
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Its very light in use all day long, My eldest girl was having problems using my Hybrid all day, since she change over to the harris pole, she's happy and had no problems.
Jeff,
Thanks for the advice,I did read this in your earlier post...I like the idea of the sill brush to be added on this pole..So what angle adaptor will I have to use to connect brush to the Harris pole?
The pole we talking about in question is the Harris 3-Section Aluminium Extension Pole 3Mtr?I see that Harris do a 5mtr pole online for around £18 plus vat...are these two the same in compatible,diameter sections?
Cheers,
Tony,
PS: I went to the Southend B&Q branch,and they sold out.....
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Its very light in use all day long, My eldest girl was having problems using my Hybrid all day, since she change over to the harris pole, she's happy and had no problems.
Jeff,
Thanks for the advice,I did read this in your earlier post...I like the idea of the sill brush to be added on this pole..So what angle adaptor will I have to use to connect brush to the Harris pole?
The pole we talking about in question is the Harris 3-Section Aluminium Extension Pole 3Mtr?I see that Harris do a 5mtr pole online for around £18 plus vat...are these two the same in compatible,diameter sections?
Cheers,
Tony,
PS: I went to the Southend B&Q branch,and they sold out.....
I'm not sure what there like with a heavy brush like the sill brush, I also have a 3m one and there quite good and they are the same diameter as the 5m one.
When ever you go into B&Q always ask at the customer service desk, so they can check if they do have them in stock, tucked away upstairs or something daft like that.
All the poles you see in the pictures are the 5m ones.
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Tony
I could not tell you what its like i have not used it yet, i have only extended it so far and its seems fairly light.
Tomorrow i will put the water on ;D
Its about 6ft collapsed.
I dare groundhog, jeff or dai will be able to answer your questions
Let's all have one BIG group dare for Groundhog. I think we deserve it!
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Been using my harris pole today and it has a sill brush and i think its brilliant one of the best pole's i have used.
I think it will last a good while also and it seems sturdy and for those who said its whippy have you used one of those excel yellow poles now there whippy.
Im going to get another the weekend.
I had to get my powerpole out for one window and after using the harris christ did i notice the weight.
I was getting quite a bit done today with the new pole then my poxy handle on my hose reel snapped and i never had a spare, I was a right pain keep trying to wind the hose in with my hand
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I have now got a new favourite pole, i have gone off the Harris a bit.
Just picked up a17ft extel off Alex and I have got to say it is the best pole I have ever used, cheap as well, cheap enough to replace after 6 months.
Someone told me the new ones were stiffer, and do you know what thay were right..
You just cant beat walking into a shop and being able to clean windows straight away.
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I got a Harris pole myself, now, and have attached my Mk2 Jeff Gutter Grabber to it, and may use it for my camera work.
The only thing that puts me of it for wfp work is the clamps.
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Facelift clamps,have you tried them.
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What do they look like?
Can they fit a Harris pole?
Are they those little lever ones?
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I got a Harris pole myself, now,
The only thing that puts me of it for wfp work is the clamps.
Why don't you like the clamps Mr Tumble? I think they are great, when I use them that is, as I very often use it clampless, unless its a large house, or theres an awkward window.
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Been using my harris pole today and it has a sill brush and i think its brilliant one of the best pole's i have used.
Glad to hear about another Harris pole convert!! I agree mate, best pole I've used too!!! :)
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With the facelift pole hose and the facelift pole looked after and well lubricated it almost works the same as a clampless pole as i will show you in my video.
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Been using my harris pole today and it has a sill brush and i think its brilliant one of the best pole's i have used.
Glad to hear about another Harris pole convert!! I agree mate, best pole I've used too!!! :)
You havn`t tried that many them me old mate lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i used mine for the first time today and soon put it back in the van , the 17ft xtel is much better and as for those clamps they,re a joke give me xtel clamps any day , it will stay firmly in the van as a spare only, i think people are getting carried away with this pole because its so cheap regards alan
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i used mine for the first time today and soon put it back in the van , the 17ft xtel is much better and as for those clamps they,re a joke give me xtel clamps any day , it will stay firmly in the van as a spare only, i think people are getting carried away with this pole because its so cheap regards alan
;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P
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With the facelift pole hose and the facelift pole looked after and well lubricated it almost works the same as a clampless pole as i will show you in my video.
Looking forward to the video!!! Only almost like a clampless pole? my Harris works exactly like a clampless pole!!!!! ;D
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Groundhog, where is this speed video?
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i used mine for the first time today and soon put it back in the van , the 17ft xtel is much better and as for those clamps they,re a joke give me xtel clamps any day , it will stay firmly in the van as a spare only, i think people are getting carried away with this pole because its so cheap regards alan
Please explain why you don't like the clamps? I think that they are the best clamps I have ever used, whats not to like about them? How about a video to show why your extel is so much better! If your going to come on here and make statements like that, then prove it! because I think that you probably haven't got a Harris pole at all!!! Because they are definately not a joke, in fact I wouldn't use anything else!!!
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Groundhog, where is this speed video?
I've been gutter cleaning today, anyway I'm still waiting for you to post one to show why your slx is worth so much more than my Harris!!!! ;)
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Gray how did you get on with the vac system and did you take any piccy's?
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With the facelift pole hose and the facelift pole looked after and well lubricated it almost works the same as a clampless pole as i will show you in my video.
Looking forward to the video!!! Only almost like a clampless pole? my Harris works exactly like a clampless pole!!!!! ;D
Yeah but that`s not bad being almost clampless,mine is a proper pole designed for WFP window cleaning after all unlike yours lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P :P :P
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With the facelift pole hose and the facelift pole looked after and well lubricated it almost works the same as a clampless pole as i will show you in my video.
Cant wait to see it, when are you doing it ??
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When i can learn how to do it and i`m off on holiday soon so it won`t be until after that.
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Gray how did you get on with the vac system and did you take any piccy's?
Hi Jeff, the gutter cleaning went well thanks mate, but it was exhausting work!! I left home this morning at 6am and was at omnipole for 8.30am when they opened, got to my job by 10.30 and worked continuously until I finished it at 3pm, the guttervac took a bit of getting used to! but on the whole it was very good!! It was quite heavy work using the pole at 36ft!!!! But at the end of the day I got the job done very quickly, and earnt a lot of money for a days work!! Thanks to Glyn for advising me about pricing it up a couple of months ago on another thread!!! :) I have a couple of pics and will try to post them later if I get a spare minute!! :)
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hello all . made one of these poles the other day 20 minutes max.
what a super wee pole it is..showed it to few other guys while they were cleaning they want me to make them two each...(at a price)
iam sure ther must be some suppliers peed off...
by the looks of some of the replys to this topic they are already at ther work ..
you pat my my back and ill pat yours...bum up r product........
any way mr groundhog good job
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Any info on pricing would be well appreiated Graham. Now we've see the job you done.
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hello all . made one of these poles the other day 20 minutes max.
what a super wee pole it is..showed it to few other guys while they were cleaning they want me to make them two each...(at a price)
iam sure ther must be some suppliers peed off...
by the looks of some of the replys to this topic they are already at ther work ..
you pat my my back and ill pat yours...bum up r product........
any way mr groundhog good job
Glad you like the pole Craig!! I think thay anyone who has tried one would agree that they are a great pole, and at £15 you can't go wrong!! :)
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i can see a lot of those harris poles moded on sale on ebay very shortly, ;D
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i here alluminium is making very good money at the scrap merchants , think i,ll take my harris down on monday and see what it makes , it will save a bit of space in the van lol
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i here alluminium is making very good money at the scrap merchants , think i,ll take my harris down on monday and see what it makes , it will save a bit of space in the van lol
Maybe the bloke selling those brushes will start selling them lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i here alluminium is making very good money at the scrap merchants , think i,ll take my harris down on monday and see what it makes , it will save a bit of space in the van lol
OK Alan, what company are you from? you obviously have a reason for trying to rubbish the Harris pole! Is it affecting your sales? Well I'm sorry if it is, but anyone who has tried out the Harris pole for real will tell you that it is an excellent, value for money pole! Anyone could come on here and say that this or that is rubbish, or this pole is the best thing ever, but I have actually proved that the Harris pole is a good little pole by posting 7 videos to date to show what it can do! I have no reason for doing this, other than that I am so impressed with it that I wanted to tell everyone about it, and maybe help a few people along the way! So prove what you are saying and post a video showing why your pole is so superior and why you don't like the Harris pole! ;)
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groundhog let them think what they like this post has been a great help
to many people, others who dont like the pole well they are entitled to their
opinion. your happy with the pole thats all that matters.
their loss ;)
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Hi all,
the reason why nobody is posting a video of how good any- alternative pole is - because, quite simply the Harris is the fastest/simplest currently available.
So dont be disappointed Groundhog there is simply no competition, others may be lighter yes, more expensive, yes.
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Or we are all too busy earning the money to pay for our more expensive poles ;D
When we have the time (which will not be soon) we will be producing a range of videos showing all of our poles and equipment in use etc.
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prestige or who ever it is has made a good point...
the harris pole is even better.
you can recycle it after its had its day
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When we have the time (which will not be soon) we will be producing a range of videos showing all of our poles and equipment in use etc.
I'm waiting! ::)
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Hi all,
the reason why nobody is posting a video of how good any- alternative pole is - because, quite simply the Harris is the fastest/simplest currently available.
So dont be disappointed Groundhog there is simply no competition, lighter yes, more expensive, yes.
Thats exactly what I think Jeff, I am sure that the slx or the facelift are great poles, but are they better than the humble Harris pole? I doubt it, and no one has taken up the challenge of posting a simple video clip to show how good they are as yet, so I have no reason to change my mind. I will be posting another video clip later, especially for nwh who has requested it ;) It was going to be a speed clip, but I wasn't really on fire today in the speed department, I'm still a bit stiff and achy from all that gutter cleaning on wednesday, it is fairly quick none the less, and shows how good the Harris pole is when used clampless!! :)
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When we have the time (which will not be soon) we will be producing a range of videos showing all of our poles and equipment in use etc.
I'm waiting! ::)
You and me both groundhog - I've got a list as long as my arm :)
Mrs A
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Guess I'd better add my bit after 25 pages. ;D
From the videos it sounds rattly, like an Unger aluminium pole.
I couldn't cope with that.
I like a pole that feels sturdy.
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try one the next time your in b&q
look what happened when you gave the wfp systems a go
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Guess I'd better add my bit after 25 pages. ;D
From the videos it sounds rattly, like an Unger aluminium pole.
I couldn't cope with that.
I like a pole that feels sturdy.
I'm glad that you have contributed to my thread at last Squeaky!! The pole is very sturdy, and very light, the only time it is rattly is when it is used clampless, because the clamps are left loose, if you do the clamps up it stops the rattling, or you could simply remove the clamps altogether and just use it as a clampless pole, but it is nice to have the option of the clamps if needed!! :)
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I don't like twist grips, in winter my grip strenght is poor, also by the time you've shrunk wrapped it etc you could have bought an xtel.
I will congratulate you on the videos though, and it would appear you are pushing the suppliers to follow suit.
I have something for you, do you want it here or shall I start a new post?
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Hi Discount, the twist grips are very easy to use, its nothing like the twist grips on the old powerpole! Or you could simply use it as a clampless pole, like I do most of the time!! I think the heat shrink which is obviously an optional extra, is about £7.50 or something!! I would say to you, give it a try, for £15 you can't go wrong!! If you don't like it I'll buy it off of you for the same as you paid for it!!
Not sure what you mean by you have something for me, but its up to you where you want to post it, I'm intrigued!! could it be the long awaited video of an slx in action??
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ok grounhog lets deal with your little baby , first of all if you can only afford £15.00 then the harris is the pole for you however if your budget stretches a little further then there are many better poles out there , i personally like the 17ft extel as the clamps are far superior regards ease of use and speed and its much shorter for groudfloor work , i also carry 3 other poles all better than the decorators pole , i understand you think this pole is the bees knees but i suggest you wake up and smeel the coffee and stop wasting your time with this piece of ally scrap regards alan
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Well here's the thing, you think poles are expensive, what about reels?
Suppliers have hundreds of these things, they are what the hose comes on, but they chuck them so window cleaners can't use them as reels.
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sorry i forgot to mention , i am simply a window cleaner who likes to get the job done efficiently and i do not sell , i wish i did as i would be looking for something more proffessional to offer my customers regards alan
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We`ll be posting pictures of horse and carts soon lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi General, :) I have no problems in using wood reels but how have you got round the problem of through flow ? I use Hozelock box but would prefer an even smaller reel, that could be done with a timber one.
Alan maybe the customers could care a cuss how you clean their windows- 90% of mine are out anyway, and that includes the commercial
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your not offering your customer a pole but a service ::)and i havent had one
person come out and complain about my pole ::)
on domestic two up and two downs its a great little pole especially for price
when you set it against poles of similar extended height
pole may not be for you,but it can def do a job
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of course it can do a job , but so can a broom handle , what i am, talking about is a better tool for your business and for another £85.00 for the xtel you will be quicker and earn more money regards alan
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Nwh, I'm glad your about as I have posted a video especially for you on youtube, its called 'Harris pole in a hurry', although it seems to be taking a long time to appear on there as I posted it 5hrs ago! hopefully should be available soon!! It was supposed to be a speed clip, but I wasn't really firing on all cylinders today as far as speed was concerned,still stiff and aching from all that gutter cleaning on wednesday!!! its quite quick though, and shows me cleaning the front of a house using the Harris pole clampless, and I give you a little ;) as promised right at the end!!! ;D
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When its up Gray, can you post the link for us??
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of course it can do a job , but so can a broom handle , what i am, talking about is a better tool for your business and for another £85.00 for the xtel you will be quicker and earn more money regards alan
sorry but dont consider a xtel pole of similar size to be superior to the harris,
poles of this height all do a similar job how quick you use the pole is down to the user
harris quick twist up it goes and quick twist down it goes again
no probs ;D ;D
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When its up Gray, can you post the link for us??
It's still not up on youtube!!! When it appears I will let you know mate, not sure how to do a link though :-[
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When its up Gray, can you post the link for us??
It's still not up on youtube!!! When it appears I will let you know mate, not sure how to do a link though :-[
you just highlight the www address, copy and paste in on the post you write on here.
But you will have to delete the http: bit so it reads as www. blah blah blah
htt p:// www.youtube.com/results?search_query=harris+pole&search_type=&aq=f
delete the htt p:// bit and paste the rest on here and the link will work.
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That makes perfect sense to me Mark ???
It's still not on youtube though!!! I will do my best to post the link when it appears, Cheers Mark! :)
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is it this one?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnE1kXvo6w
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Cheers Mark! yes thats the one, as you can see I was struggling a bit to get up to full speed today, but I think this clip does demonstrate how affective the Harris pole is when used as a clampless pole, it slides up and down so easily, and because it is so light, you can hold it up with the pole hose with no problems at all!! ;)
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looooooooooooooool, loved the wink
;D
I need to do another video now :-X
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It was especially for you Ian!! But don't tell nwh! He'll only get jealous!!! ;)
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It was especially for you Ian!! But don't tell nwh! He'll only get jealous!!! ;)
;D ;D ;D
Please Stop I am trying to drink tea from a china cup and its going all of me.
Good on you dude for putting it up, I will do another sometime this week.
Ian
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I'm looking forward to it Ian!! I'll be expecting my wink returned though!!! ;D
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I'm looking forward to it Ian!! I'll be expecting my wink returned though!!! ;D
for you I will m8ty ;)
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Well here's the thing, you think poles are expensive, what about reels?
Suppliers have hundreds of these things, they are what the hose comes on, but they chuck them so window cleaners can't use them as reels.
Looks cheap yes but also a pain in the backside! The point with these harris poles is that it is something usable that is available for peanuts. I haven't bought one yet but I will be this weekend. They seem to be very usable for the job while still offering value for money.
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Groundhog
I like the video i never though of doing those small windows downstairs straight across.
I was suprised how easy that pole shot up when you extended it i have not tried using mine like that yet.
You also say you can hold it up with the pole hose.
I don't quite get this part.
I have my pole hose running up through the pole how would i be able to hold the pole up with the hose as if i pulled it the pole would come down.
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Groundhog
I like the video i never though of doing those small windows downstairs straight across.
I was suprised how easy that pole shot up when you extended it i have not tried using mine like that yet.
You also say you can hold it up with the pole hose.
I don't quite get this part.
I have my pole hose running up through the pole how would i be able to hold the pole up with the hose as if i pulled it the pole would come down.
I think that is a fair comment, I to would like to know, I have been playing with my harris ;D lol sry its late, I worked out on clampless to tighten the clamps a little to give just a little so when up you use the force against the windows to keep it up, correct me if I am wrong please as I am just tying it out
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for you I will m8ty ;)
Cheers bud!!! ;D
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When using the Harris clampless I loosen the clamps off as much as possible, I then thrust the pole upwards, or you can do it straight out in front of you until you get the hang of it, as this is a little easier, you need to have hold of the base of the pole with your right hand (if your right handed), as the pole stops extending you need to get hold of the hose with your botton two fingers, or push it against the base of the pole with your palm, this is to stop it falling back down, most hose will hold up the pole, but the thicker the hose the better, I have some reinforced stuff I got from Brodex I think, and if you hold it quite tight in your fingers it also helps to stop the brush from twisting. When you want to bring the pole down you just release your grip on the hose, you can also stop the pole from crashing down too hard by gripping the hose a bit just before it is completely retracted. Once you get used to it, it is a brilliant way of working, especially on small houses were the the pole is being extended and retracted a lot!! :)
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Thanks groundhog
That explains it.
I have standard pole hose i will try with that but if not i think i have some reinforced somewhere about.
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Standard hose should be fine Paul, especially as the pole is so light, the only advantage of using the stiffer pole hose is that if you grip it in your fingers it helps to prevent the brush from twisting! :)
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What do you mean by 'standard hose, Graham? 8mm? Or smaller?
Thanks.
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does this harris pole look familiar ;D
a member on the academy is posting how he does it
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Practiced in my back garden today using it clampless, good job it was out the back because I looked a right GONK ;D because on one occasion I wasn't concentrating and threw the pole right up the garden because I forgot to hold onto it :o ;D
I loosened the clamps right off but the second big section for some reason didn't want to fly out as well as the smaller section, once it was out, I could hold the pole up with no problems and the swivel I'm already used to because I use a swivel brush all day and every day.
Graham why won't my second section shoot out properly? :'(
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does this harris pole look familiar ;D
a member on the academy is posting how he does it
Where abouts did you get the clamps from.
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Practiced in my back garden today using it clampless, good job it was out the back because I looked a right GONK ;D because on one occasion I wasn't concentrating and threw the pole right up the garden because I forgot to hold onto it :o ;D
I loosened the clamps right off but the second big section for some reason didn't want to fly out as well as the smaller section, once it was out, I could hold the pole up with no problems and the swivel I'm already used to because I use a swivel brush all day and every day.
Graham why won't my second section shoot out properly? :'(
Always remember to hold onto your pole Jeff! thats my advice!!! ;D
You could try cleaning the lower section, there may be some grit on it, then rub it down with an oily rag. Also what brush are you using? as a slightly heavier brush my help it to shoot out a bit easier! It took me a while to get the hang of it, but its worth perservering with!!!! :)
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Did you loose your voice ;D ;D ;D
I pressed post before I had typed my reply!!!!!!!!! ;D
I've done it now so check my last post!! :)
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Another thing Jeff, make sure the hole where the pole hose comes out at the bottom of the pole is as big as you can get it, so that the hose goes in and out easily! ;)
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Cheers Graham ;) I'll give it a clean, I'm useing a Salmon brush so it is light one.
I got the top end to shoot right out but only half of the next section, so a good clean made do the trick.
NEWSFLASH
I cut the cord of my grandsons WI and wrapped it around the base of my pole so it won't shoot out my hand now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And Finally
The hole is so big at the bottom I can climb up it. ;D ;D
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I got the top end to shoot right out but only half of the next section
That sounds like pretty good going to me, is that with just one thrust? because I would have thought that with the pole at that length you would be able to clean most windows, If you need it higher perhaps another thrust will do the trick? Are you trying to extend the pole directly upwards towards the window, as I did in my last video 'harris pole in a hurry' or straight out in front of you, as I did in my video 'harris pole used clampless'? as out in front of you is easier, but going straight up to the window is a bit quicker if you can get the hang of it. When I extend it straight upwards I wouldn't expect to be able to get it to fully extend with one thrust!!!! ;)
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The point with these harris poles is that it is something usable that is available for peanuts. I haven't bought one yet but I will be this weekend. They seem to be very usable for the job while still offering value for money.
Did you get one mate? If so let us know how you get on with it, and if you need any help don't hesitate to ask! :)
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Straight out in front of me, I'll keep practicing to get the knack.
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Keep practicing Jeff, even if it takes a couple of goes to get it to extend enough its still a lot quicker than extending it by hand, and when you have finished upstairs its down in a flash!! I clean like this virtually all the time now!! :)
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Nwh, my last video was posted because you requested it! I'm still waiting for your comments mate!! And I'm also still waiting for the video you keep promising me your going to post!!!! ;)
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Knocked my grandaughter off her bike this afternoon practicing, it was a cracking shot ;D she landed on the grass so all was well, she rode right in front of me, do I score points for that one :o
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Knocked my grandaughter off her bike this afternoon practicing, it was a cracking shot ;D she landed on the grass so all was well, she rode right in front of me, do I score points for that one :o
Your not safe to be let out Jeff!! Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea showing you how to use the harris clampless after all!!! I'd leave it to the experts if I were you mate! ;D ;D
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Only joking Jeff!!! Practice makes perfect as they say!!!! ;D
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Any idea where I can find a good expert to show me ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Any idea where I can find a good expert to show me ;D ;D ;D ;D
When I find one I'll let you know!!! ;D
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Heres one coming now!
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Were? ? ;D Did you get my email with the picks of the Mk3 ;D
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Did you loose your voice ;D ;D ;D
I pressed post before I had typed my reply!!!!!!!!! ;D
I've done it now so check my last post!! :)
groundhog,
Can you do me a favour mate :)
Please explain how you did that 'shooting up pole' thing. I presume I need to buy some of those little black clips (in the picture) and replace the screw fastenings on the Harris with the black clips?...I'm just a little unsure how to go about it.
1. What do I need and where do I get it?
2. How do I change them over (or do I need to?)
3. How do you get the pole to drop back down?
4. How does the pole stay up?
I must admit, I was very impressed with the video :)
If you've got time a 'step by step' guide would be great.
Cheers
Dave.
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Dave
Changing the clamps is nothing to do with the flicking up and down, Just undo your clamps on the Harris pole and practice flicking the pole out in front of you, I my self am just getting the hang of it.
When the pole is at the hight you want hold the hose were it comes out the bottom and lift the pole up right, The pole should stay there and when its time to lower it just let the hose slip through your fingers.
I'm Sure Groundhog will be on later and give you a more indepth explanation, but thats the basics.
Just make sure there's no kids riding past on a bike when you flick it out. :o
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tried the clampless way this afternoon flicked the top section up
and the bloody thing popped out and flew across custies garden :o
going to stick to using clamps from now on to heavy handed
for my own good>:( :)
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tried the clampless way this afternoon flicked the top section up
and the bloody thing popped out and flew across custies garden :o
going to stick to using clamps from now on to heavy handed
for my own good>:( :)
just take out the sections from bottom, add a band of tape, and try again this will solve the problem of it coming out to far ;)
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Dave
Changing the clamps is nothing to do with the flicking up and down, Just undo your clamps on the Harris pole and practice flicking the pole out in front of you, I my self am just getting the hang of it.
When the pole is at the hight you want hold the hose were it comes out the bottom and lift the pole up right, The pole should stay there and when its time to lower it just let the hose slip through your fingers.
I'm Sure Groundhog will be on later and give you a more indepth explanation, but thats the basics.
Just make sure there's no kids riding past on a bike when you flick it out. :o
So you leave the screw fittings slightly loose on the Harris (enough that the telescopic extensions will come out) and flick it up?
So is it just the angle you're standing at that keeps the pole up? The weight of the extending section trapping on the lower section is enough to keep it up?
Can you get much pressure on the brush head this way?
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Yep! Just slacken off the clamps enough to let them slide easily, slacken to much and you'll do a Gary999 ;D
What keeps it up is you holding the hose with a couple of fingers at the base of the pole.
The pole will swivel if you twist the pole, but its easy to get the hang of it.
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just pretend your casting a fishing rod ;D
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groundhog,
Can you do me a favour mate :)
Please explain how you did that 'shooting up pole' thing. I presume I need to buy some of those little black clips (in the picture) and replace the screw fastenings on the Harris with the black clips?...I'm just a little unsure how to go about it.
1. What do I need and where do I get it?
2. How do I change them over (or do I need to?)
3. How do you get the pole to drop back down?
4. How does the pole stay up?
I must admit, I was very impressed with the video :)
If you've got time a 'step by step' guide would be great.
Cheers
Dave.
Hi Dave, I've only just seen your post mate, otherwise I would have got back to you earlier. I think Jeff has done a good job explaing how to do the clampless thing! It really is just a matter of practise, it's well worth the effort though because it is definetly the fastest method of working with wfp!! If I get the chance I will do a close up video showing how to use the pole clampless, you can use some other poles in this way. I used my predator as a clampless pole when the clamps wore out, but the Harris works far better as a clampless pole as the sections slide in and out so smoothly!! :)
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groundhog,
Can you do me a favour mate :)
Please explain how you did that 'shooting up pole' thing. I presume I need to buy some of those little black clips (in the picture) and replace the screw fastenings on the Harris with the black clips?...I'm just a little unsure how to go about it.
1. What do I need and where do I get it?
2. How do I change them over (or do I need to?)
3. How do you get the pole to drop back down?
4. How does the pole stay up?
I must admit, I was very impressed with the video :)
If you've got time a 'step by step' guide would be great.
Cheers
Dave.
Hi Dave, I've only just seen your post mate, otherwise I would have got back to you earlier. I think Jeff has done a good job explaing how to do the clampless thing! It really is just a matter of practise, it's well worth the effort though because it is definetly the fastest method of working with wfp!! If I get the chance I will do a close up video showing how to use the pole clampless, you can use some other poles in this way. I used my predator as a clampless pole when the clamps wore out, but the Harris works far better as a clampless pole as the sections slide in and out so smoothly!! :)
Nice one!
I'm looking forward to the close up video of how you do that and how it stays up etc etc...
Will you be adding the link on this thread?
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Yes mate, watch this space... :)
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I held the pole up as groundhog said just by pushing the hose up slightly but then didn't have a spare hand to press my trigger ;D
So as i use a trigger have to stay with doing up the clamps
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I held the pole up as groundhog said just by pushing the hose up slightly but then didn't have a spare hand to press my trigger ;D
So as i use a trigger have to stay with doing up the clamps
;D Yes Paul I can see how that would be a problem mate, perhaps you could try an auto brush. I'm going to try to make one, unless Peter fancies giving me a discount on one, so I can review it for him? ::)
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You'll need a lathe Graham.
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You'll need a lathe Graham.
Why?
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Mr T why do you need a lathe? Its only a switch with a metal bar that turns the switch on/off when you tap it against the wall.
I have a metal lathe and I'm thinking of making my own Jets in the future and I'm looking forward to September when I can spend more time in the workshop because I'm going to have a go at making a few swivels in aluminum.
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I'm sure I could make a diy version of an auto-brush, but if Peter wants to give me a decent discount on one, I will do a review on it for him, an honest one! and maybe even a video!!! What do you reckon Pete? me old mate!! :)
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You'll need a lathe Graham.
I broke my arm in three places on a metal work lathe, get sand paper and some dowl it is safer
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Mr T why do you need a lathe? Its only a switch with a metal bar that turns the switch on/off when you tap it against the wall.
I have a metal lathe and I'm thinking of making my own Jets in the future and I'm looking forward to September when I can spend more time in the workshop because I'm going to have a go at making a few swivels in aluminum.
I have one too, a Myford super 7 with quick change gearbox.
You can buy 6mm threaded nylon bar in metre lengths, I use this to make jets, I just dill the brush with 5mm drill and run a 6mm tap through, the threaded bar just screws in and Algarde hose fits onto the jets nicely.
Brass can be a bit awkward drilling with 2mm bits, I managed to break a few, And I used to be a toolroom machinist.
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Myford super 7 you Snob ;D ;D
I have a cheapy warco one, have a look and give me an engineers view
www.warco.co.uk/shop.asp?catid=29&ProdId=133
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That's a handy machine jeff, what's the distance between centres?
You should have no problem making swivels with that.
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Its 500mm 0r 19 5/8 in English ;D
I still can't decide if I'm English or not, some day's I work in metric and others I work in Imperial.
I know the machine will cope with turning and milling a swivel but its the bloke operating it who will have to spend a long time getting it right. ;D
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I'm sure I could make a diy version of an auto-brush, but if Peter wants to give me a decent discount on one, I will do a review on it for him, an honest one! and maybe even a video!!! What do you reckon Pete? me old mate!! :)
I doubt he'll go for that. He made it quite clear on the mag thread he hates reviews if they have something negative about his products. So it seems that unless a review is 100% positive then he wont be happy. Censorship maybe, but thats the case.
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Sorry Jeff, I just saw your q about why a lathe.
Do these pictures help?
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Bump... any questions about the Harris pole to this thread please.
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I'm sure I could make a diy version of an auto-brush, but if Peter wants to give me a decent discount on one, I will do a review on it for him, an honest one! and maybe even a video!!! What do you reckon Pete? me old mate!! :)
I doubt he'll go for that. He made it quite clear on the mag thread he hates reviews if they have something negative about his products. So it seems that unless a review is 100% positive then he wont be happy. Censorship maybe, but thats the case.
Well that dosn't show a lot of confidence in his product then does it? I would like to review the auto-brush, but I would be 100% honest if I did it!! If it is as good as I think it may be, then I would say so, but I would also point out any negative points if there were any! I think your right though wce, and I don't think Peter would be brave enough to let me do it!!! :-\
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Mr Tumble, is that an autobrush in the photos you posted above? If so how do you find it? and have you attached it to your Harris pole?
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Yes it is and it would be to heavy for that Harris pole i think,it works better that brush on a more ridgid pole.
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Yes it is and it would be to heavy for that Harris pole i think,it works better that brush on a more ridgid pole.
Why? is it heavier than a cill brush? please explain!! ???
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I used it on a bendy fiberglass pole and didn`t like it 1 bit,i then tried it on a shortish carbon pole and it worked better.If you get 1 you will need fan jets,it`s 15" wide and with 2 pencil jets your asking a lot to get and keep the bristles wet.Peter takes out almost a whole row of bristles in that brush and when you first look at it it looks as if he taken out far to many,having the fan jets turned up help it to glide over the glass better but it is more suited to bigger panes of glass.
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Cheers, I won't be buying one though at £60!! I am going to attempt to make my own version of one, unless of course Peter is going to offer me a discount!! but I think thats unlikely! :( So I'll be in the shed this weekend, to see what I can bodge together!!!! ;D
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Mr Tumble, is that an autobrush in the photos you posted above? If so how do you find it? and have you attached it to your Harris pole?
Yes, it is. I flogged it as I only wanted to examine it, take some measurements etc to see how it worked.
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How did you get on with the autobrush Mr Tumble? and are you planning on making your own version? :)
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I never actually used it, GH. I just thought I could make my own version and flog it to the member on the forums - not go public or anything. It might e copyrighted.
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How are you getting on with it, have you made one yet?
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No, I decided it wasn't worth it - for the amount of water it 'saves', I could be doing other things, and I always have plenty of water over at the end of the day anyway.
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I've just watched the video for the first time, got to say the Harris pole looks awful. Far too bendy, far to rattley couldn't stand to use that all day.
And if you need to work that fast your prices are too low.
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I've just watched the video for the first time, got to say the Harris pole looks awful. Far too bendy, far to rattley couldn't stand to use that all day.
And if you need to work that fast your prices are too low.
So have I and I agree, its got to be a joke...hasn't it. :o think I'll stick with my Facelift poles thanks.
Also the method leaves a lot to be desired, brush head resting on the grass then touching the brickwork then straight on the glass. Looks like the guys running around not quite in full control. All looks a bit ameteurish to me. ;)
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You haven't been here for a whiles, have you Mick? Last march in fact.
That aside, does the Harris pole, and Groundhog, achieve the desired results without scratching the glass or anything?
Seems that he does, at least he hasn't said anything about complaints.
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You haven't been here for a whiles, have you Mick? Last march in fact.
That aside, does the Harris pole, and Groundhog, achieve the desired results without scratching the glass or anything?
Seems that he does, at least he hasn't said anything about complaints.
No.
I dont know, its certainly not good practice to rest the brush head on the floor/wall then straight on the glass, god knows what contamination is going to get into the brush.
It just does'nt look good to me, dashing about all over the place. There are some good practice guides on here somewhere that could be of use.
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Far too much fuss made about contamination, Have you noticed the muck that collects on your brush from some sills, not to mention the amount of dirt that comes off some dog owners patio doors, some are caked in mud.
The job turns out right in the end though.
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if you need to work that fast your prices are too low.
I was not working at full speed in any of the videos, I was simply demonstrating the Harris pole. As for my prices, I charge more than any other window cleaner in my area, my target every day is to earn the maximum amount that I can, I do this by charging the highest amount that the market will allow, I work as quickly and efficiently as I can, and I keep my costs to a minimum.
The harris pole is a brilliant piece of kit, and it only costs £15!!! Don't knock it until you have tried it! ;)
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Far too much fuss made about contamination, Have you noticed the muck that collects on your brush from some sills, not to mention the amount of dirt that comes off some dog owners patio doors, some are caked in mud.
The job turns out right in the end though.
Thanks for the support Dai, I have got a pile of letters at home thanking me for the great job that I do from customers, so I must be doing something right! :)
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How long you been a w/c Gray??
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Groundhog said
I do this by charging the highest amount that the market will allow, I work as quickly and efficiently as I can, and I keep my costs to a minimum
Someone talking sence for once.
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its got to be a joke...hasn't it. :o think I'll stick with my Facelift poles thanks.
Also the method leaves a lot to be desired, brush head resting on the grass then touching the brickwork then straight on the glass. Looks like the guys running around not quite in full control. All looks a bit ameteurish to me. ;)
I posted the video's to help other members of the forum, and to prove that the £15 Harris pole could be used as a wfp pole. If all you can do is criticise, at least have the guts to post a video of your own to show us all how it should be done!!!! >:
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How long you been a w/c Gray??
Hi Jeff,
I have been full time window cleaning for about 5 years Jeff, but I had been window cleaning part time for 8 years before taking the plunge to full time. :)
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Just asking Grey, so the guy's who criticise, can see your a professional w/c and not a fly by night. ;)
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Groundhog said
I do this by charging the highest amount that the market will allow, I work as quickly and efficiently as I can, and I keep my costs to a minimum
Someone talking sence for once.
Thanks Paul!!! :)
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Just asking Grey, so the guy's who criticise, can see your a professional w/c and not a fly by night. ;)
Cheers Jeff!! I get many of my customers from recomendations, so I guess the customers are happy, and thats what matters to me!! :)
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cant believe this thread is still going ;D,amazing the amount critics on here
the harris pole is crap, i love my facelift,this practice is crap, you shouldnt rest
your brush here or there.
groundhog was brave enough to put videos on here in belief of helping people
the harris pole does a job whether you like it or not,if you like it buy one if you
think its unprofessional ::) dont buy one
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Nice to see a return to some good old-fashioned bickering!
:)
This thread has been one of the best I have ever read - everyone should read it. That's not saying the Harris pole is the best, it might be depepending on who you are, just that the thread is a good un as it's so imformitive.
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its got to be a joke...hasn't it. :o think I'll stick with my Facelift poles thanks.
Also the method leaves a lot to be desired, brush head resting on the grass then touching the brickwork then straight on the glass. Looks like the guys running around not quite in full control. All looks a bit ameteurish to me. ;)
I posted the video's to help other members of the forum, and to prove that the £15 Harris pole could be used as a wfp pole. If all you can do is criticise, at least have the guts to post a video of your own to show us all how it should be done!!!! >:
Yes you uploaded a video, and I posted my comments/views of that video. If all you want is people to stroke your ego then dont post it on an open forum. It may be good enough for you :o
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Nice to see a return to some good old-fashioned bickering!
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This thread has been one of the best I have ever read - everyone should read it. That's not saying the Harris pole is the best, it might be depepending on who you are, just that the thread is a good un as it's so imformitive.
I agree :) Some may feel the Harris pole is the best, some, like me, feel that it looks cheap and nasty. But so what, we're all different, have different thoughts and views otherwise there would only be 1 pole supplier, 1 method etc etc.
You haven't been here for a whiles, have you Mick? Last march in fact.
This March in fact :-\
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I clicked charlote. I was impressed with your site. Though that of all the excellent pages, the home page wasn't quite up to the standard of the others.
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I clicked charlote. I was impressed with your site. Though that of all the excellent pages, the home page wasn't quite up to the standard of the others.
Thanks. Its being revamped soon as we've expanded and its quite dated now, also half our business is office cleaning and we haven't advertised that yet.
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If I was using a £400 pole, I would always be worrying about it, a piece of kit like that needs taking care of, what would you rather put into the hands of a new starter? A £400 pole or a Harris?
The Harris pole maybe cheap and cheerful, but it gets the majority of jobs done with equal efficiency, when I first bought mine I looked on it as a disposable pole if you like, but seven months on I am still using it daily.
The Harris pole is like buying a Bic razor, then finding out you get a hundred shaves out of it, It's no Mach 3, but your face is just as smooth.
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I agree with those comment dai
Shell my daughter was using my extel pole and at nearly £500 its no toy, it was however to heavy for her, so I bought her the Harris pole and covered it in heat shrink to match the company colour, Now she loves the pole and can't see a reason to spend another £5-600 on a new pole that you would have to treat like a baby incase you dropped or stood on it.
Drop a Harris pole and break it, shoot down B&Q buy a new one and your back in business within the hour, try doing that with a expensive pole.
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Groundhog
Did you add the unger number 5 extension you ordered to your harris pole if so what it like working with it now.
And also what clamps did you use for the number 5 section
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Paul,l the Harris base section is 1mm thinner than the Unger no 4 section, Jeff Brimble reckons it will tighten up Ok, I haven't tried it yet but will. You will need to cut the black handle off the Harris though.
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I was thinking of extending one and i know groundhog ordered a number 5 section and thought i would find out before i spend out on another bit that may not work.
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Groundhog
Did you add the unger number 5 extension you ordered to your harris pole if so what it like working with it now.
And also what clamps did you use for the number 5 section
Hi Paul, yes I did order an unger no5 section, but I haven't got round to fitting it onto my harris pole yet, it looks like it will fit nicely though, I will let you know how it goes once I have fitted it. :)
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Another member posted that if you really heat up the alu the glue that holds the black base cap comes loose and you can pull it off instead of using long stemmed screw drivers to lever the two apart. Yep the Unger fits but its a tad longer.
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The harris pole fits perfect into the third section of a powerpole.
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Another member posted that if you really heat up the alu the glue that holds the black base cap comes loose and you can pull it off instead of using long stemmed screw drivers to lever the two apart. Yep the Unger fits but its a tad longer.
it was me who has done this, heating the base section with a heat gun, and also if you heat the screw threaded clamps, they can be removed as well. just a note of caution though, the section of pole inside has plastic guides at the bottom of each section so remember to extend the pole when heating the bottom of the outer one.
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Cheers Steve ;)
Good tip and will come in handy for another possible idea.
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Hello can groundhog or anyone else finish this list, im going to convert harris pole just to try it if nothing else. I will need pole,brush,clear tubing,drill bit,,,,,,,can you name the other bits i need to convert it.
Then i need to dill hole for tubing, cut black handle of, take out the screw fittin and replace with,,,,,,, and put an angle adaptor thing on, any hints would be good.
Also saw that b and q have slightly shorter harris pole with push button clamps dont know if you seen them.
cheers
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I think they do a 3m.
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The Harris top section is the same inside diameter as the unger no 2 section, and as groudhog said, a six inch length of Unger no 1 fits inside perfectly. I pop riveted the six inch section in place.
You then take an unger angle or cone adaptor, place it next to the six inch section and mark the section where the spring lugs are. you then drill a 6mm hole through at this point, presto your Harris will now take any Unger adaptor.
There is a way of using the Harris as it comes.
Buy a Stanley paint pad and handle and throw the pad away. This handle will make the best swivel you have ever used and fits onto the Harris cone.
On first examination, the Stanley handle swivels up and down, so would be useless, but look again and you will see a little Phillips screw, remove this and the handle will turn round, turn it 90 degrees and drill a small hole and reinsert the screw. depending on what brush you are using, you will have to cut the pad holder to fit, cut off the part of the brush that the handle screws into, and attach the pad holder with small bolts or self tappers.
You are left with a brush with a swivel that can be locked in any position, and the angle is just right for most jobs.
It also fits perfectly on the Harris pole.
And Ground hog, If you used Algarde silicone hose on the outside of your pole, you can fold it or trap it against the side of your pole, this will stop the flow any time you like, I have a small piece of hose tied to my pole with a small bungy band that girls tie their hair up with. I just fold the Algarde hose and slip it into this piece of hose.
This turns off the flow if you leave your pole.
Hi Matty, this quote from Dai tells you everything you need to know I believe, hope it helps mate. Any problems, then let me know and I will try to help the best I can. :)
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Well done Groundhog - I stuck your videos on the blog:
ht tp://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html
If you want any contact info adding or website, just email me on the contact info on the page.
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I fitted the Unger no 5 section today, with the Unger no 1 section, the pole laid out measured 31ft 3 ins.
This pole is a lot more ridged than the old Unger teleplus, so with me on the end of it I can get to 37ft.
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Nice one Dai, I have an unger no5 section in my shed, I just haven't got round to fitting it as yet! :)
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where can i buy single sections no 5 and no 1
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No 5 from windowcleancentre N01 N/A - you now have to buy 1 2 & 3 together :'(
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When this thread has been read 5,000 times I'm going to have to get a Harris pole!
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Keep reading Guy's we'll convert Pj yet ;D ;D
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57 to go, the shop will be closed!
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There's always tomorrow Pj, keep talking to us ;D ;D ;D
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Is it really nearly 5000 reads?
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Crikey - it is!!! :o
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Thanks to Groundhog, I have 2 Harris Poles. One connected to a 5 litre sprayer full of detergent and 20 metre of b and q 5mm pipe plus choice of brush for doing soffits, con roofs etc and a quick release to change to pure water for rinsing. Does a lovely job on finials.
Plus another with an autobrush for normal windows.
Very impressed but have one very minor criticism, due to me banging windows shut with it, it doesn't work clampless anymore. Been using both now for a few weeks and has saved me loads of time. Lightness does make a massive difference to both my body and time spent.
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Thanks to Groundhog, I have 2 Harris Poles. One connected to a 5 litre sprayer full of detergent and 20 metre of b and q 5mm pipe plus choice of brush for doing soffits, con roofs etc and a quick release to change to pure water for rinsing. Does a lovely job on finials.
Plus another with an autobrush for normal windows.
Very impressed but have one very minor criticism, due to me banging windows shut with it, it doesn't work clampless anymore. Been using both now for a few weeks and has saved me loads of time. Lightness does make a massive difference to both my body and time spent.
Sounds very interesting. Any chance of a picture or two?
I have something similar to what I think you are describing
(http://www.wally-the-window-washer.co.uk/18-06-08_0940.jpg)
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When this thread has been read 5,000 times I'm going to have to get a Harris pole!
I have just click on the 5000 view of this page, off to B&Q PJ ;D
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Aaarrrgghh!
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And 631 replies!
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Did you get one then PJ?
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No, not yet. I've been too busy dealing with my hate mail!
But I am going to get one. I don't know how you guys get things going so quickly, I have so many other things to do apart from windowcleaning issues.
Is that a Mobius Strip? Mr Tumble. A fascinating subject all of it's own.
We expect to be getting soaked in the rain tomorrow.
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Mobius strip? I never knew it was called that.
I was thinking having it tattooed down my back.
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No, it's not a Möbius strip : mathforum.org/sum95/math_and/moebius/moebius.html (http://mathforum.org/sum95/math_and/moebius/moebius.html)
This is:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/M%C3%B6bius_strip.jpg/250px-M%C3%B6bius_strip.jpg)
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It looks like one that pj said about. Maybe not quite.
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The design you had is called twisted rope and is very common in Roman mosaics like this modern version one:
(http://www.wally-the-window-washer.co.uk/twisted_rope.jpg)
Not much to do with Harris poles, though.
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Who makes these twisted rope things anyway, and how can it help me in my work? Can it get to the second floor?
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32 pages long
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