[GEMclean services]

thats exactly what i was saying, they wouldnt be earning enough to pay tax anyway on your figures, as long as they filled in a tax return etc thats legal, benefits etc is different, but you dont know everyones circumstances, i just think you should relax a bit, maybe take a holiday, unless they'd take your round while your gone

you just know these guys arent paying or declaring thats my point if they had to they wouldnt be around sometimes its like you v just called a customers mum when you tell them the cost and they spring back with weell i was paying £3 well yes love but im paying tax ,petrol,water rates, a mortgage, bills, phone costs, road tax,

that is just guessing as I have said I know many guys that are legitimate and charge these prices

well i cant argue with that if they do pay fair enough but they must be mad each to their own like i said this is to the ones who dont pay

[stuart mc]

That's not fair Stu!!! You're in Jockland   They all pay less than 3 quid  

not all I take a fiver

[GEMclean services]

i offer a money bonus to customers to bring their friends over you should try it or a free clean per customer they get me little incentives

Would you still do that if you had too much work?

damn right you can never have too m uch work if you have too much employ someone who would be grateful for a job

[cozy]

That's not fair Stu!!! You're in Jockland   They all pay less than 3 quid  

not all I take a fiver

Tax dodgin git  

[cozy]

i offer a money bonus to customers to bring their friends over you should try it or a free clean per customer they get me little incentives

Would you still do that if you had too much work?

damn right you can never have too m uch work if you have too much employ someone who would be grateful for a job

Yes, I know what you mean, but if you had too much that you and your people couldn't keep up, would you still do freebies?

[GEMclean services]

hey im half scotch where do you think i learned to argue  

[GEMclean services]

i offer a money bonus to customers to bring their friends over you should try it or a free clean per customer they get me little incentives

Would you still do that if you had too much work?

damn right you can never have too m uch work if you have too much employ someone who would be grateful for a job

Yes, I know what you mean, but if you had too much that you and your people couldn't keep up, would you still do freebies?

i only do it if a regular customer gets me another regular i dont for a one off but yes i would it gives them something to go at if i get him a customer i get a free clean 12 customers is a free years cleaning then that customer does the same and so on

[cozy]

Yes I know how it works. I don't do it, but I know some do. But if you had enough custies that you alone can just manage, would you still give freebies? Even to the point of having to employ someone to do the freebies?

I think you've missed my point. I don't clean for free to get more work. Nothing wrong with doing that, but people pay for a clean. I know some think it's a great way to build, but if you look at the results, honestly, you'll see it's a small amount of custies that stick with you that come to you that way.

Up to you. I'll stick to putting custies in that pay from day 1. Anyway, get busy putting more custies in and the problems like dole cheats just don't matter then.

Try it. See if I'm right.

[cozy]

I tell a lie, I cleaned a custie last week who got me a squaddie SKY+ box.  

AND free Sky Sports 1 and 2

[stuart mc]

I agree with cozy, I wouldn't pay a canvaser and I don't want them canvassing for free either, the neighbour/friend/family member feels pressured to agree then before you know it they are PIA customers, much prefer the custom to come to me

[Lee Burbidge]

i mentioned this on another thread a few weeks back and got shot down in flames...i was told to stop moaning, and if i cant adapt my business to compete with these types, then i should give up window cleaning!!!!

for what its worth...i agree with you....£3= a house is worse money than working in a supermarket with holiday/sicness pay....but if your signing on....then its nice pocket money!!!!

these types usually start in the spring and think wc is all good....but 90% of them pack up in the winter, due to a lack of balls to cope with cold hands lol

trouble is....by then, the damage is done to the rest of us

Hi James, they have these problems in some parts of Scotland. As part of this problem and other issues they decided to licence window cleaners. Do you feel that would work here. Would that help a situation like the one you are experincing?

[stuart mc]

i mentioned this on another thread a few weeks back and got shot down in flames...i was told to stop moaning, and if i cant adapt my business to compete with these types, then i should give up window cleaning!!!!

for what its worth...i agree with you....£3= a house is worse money than working in a supermarket with holiday/sicness pay....but if your signing on....then its nice pocket money!!!!

these types usually start in the spring and think wc is all good....but 90% of them pack up in the winter, due to a lack of balls to cope with cold hands lol

trouble is....by then, the damage is done to the rest of us

Hi James, they have these problems in some parts of Scotland. As part of this problem and other issues they decided to licence window cleaners. Do you feel that would work here. Would that help a situation like the one you are experincing?

well it made no odds in scotland did it

[cozy]

  Here we go

[GEMclean services]

well to me its advertising who is going to tell someone about you for nothing i dont briung it up in conversation "iv got a great window cleaner you know"

and for the sake of spending 10-15 mins cleaning windows for free you get a regular customer aswell as the one your doing silly not too do the math

[cozy]

Allright, I've failed to get my point across. No problem.

[GEMclean services]

I agree with cozy, I wouldn't pay a canvaser and I don't want them canvassing for free either, the neighbour/friend/family member feels pressured to agree then before you know it they are PIA customers, much prefer the custom to come to me

if you only get one clean from them you lost 15 mins of your life worth the risk i pay people to stand in manchester giving out leaflets and for canvassers if a canvasser gets me a job he gets £5

[stuart mc]

I agree with cozy, I wouldn't pay a canvaser and I don't want them canvassing for free either, the neighbour/friend/family member feels pressured to agree then before you know it they are PIA customers, much prefer the custom to come to me

if you only get one clean from them you lost 15 mins of your life worth the risk i pay people to stand in manchester giving out leaflets and for canvassers if a canvasser gets me a job he gets £5

up to you mate I know a few do it good luck, not for me though

[geefree]

I welcome them all, the dolies,the summer brigade etc....

Then when winter comes and they hide back in the hole they sprung from, all the work they did canvassing , then comes my way !... as custies ring me ,  stop me,..... and tell me the window cleaner has packed up.... keep them coming lads.

[Lee Burbidge]

That is true Gazza 

[GEMclean services]

Allright, I've failed to get my point across. No problem.

the free clean is just one off the round if your cleaning that customers house regular and they get you a customer i dont charge them for the next clean your going there anyway so i wouldnt pay someone only to do free cleans its just an extra on the round like i said its only if i get a regular if you charge £15 per clean one a month thats £180 if they get me a customer thats £360 less £15 for the free clean its only one free clean