[niceandclean]

just thought the working at hights law would apply

Dont allow youself to get caught up with all that pony the polers give out about working at heights.
I pole because im a lazy sod not because of ladders, coz ladders dont scare me in the least.
And LADDERS ARE NOT BANNED!

I know they're not, why do the WFP brigade get so aggro if some window cleaners still use ladders?? If ladders are banned then someone needs to inform these multi national companies like BT and Sky about it! How about Sky fitters using the DOAP system (drill on a pole).

BT and Sky are getting into window cleaning

If they are, they won't clean many windows in a day due to all the safety equipment they use!

[Nathanael Jones]

The HSE’s key message is that ladders should only be used for low-risk, short duration work.

Ladders can be used if after assessing the risks the use of more suitable work equipment is not justified because of the low risk and short duration.

Short duration is taken to be between 15 and 30 minutes depending upon the task.

Who here only works 15-30 minutes per day?

[mci services]

doesnt say per day its says per task

[Nathanael Jones]

doesnt say per day its says per task

True,.. but when 1 task follows another, day in day out,.. can it really be considered short duration ladder use anymore?

[mci services]

yes thats why the hse have written documens spefically(however thats spelt) for window cleaners and the safe use of ladders

its all down to commen sense and risk assesment

[Nathanael Jones]

yes thats why the hse have written documens spefically(however thats spelt) for window cleaners and the safe use of ladders

its all down to commen sense and risk assesment

Still doesn't make it "short duration".

[Dean Taberner]

Ladders are bad news for window cleaners,

I gambled 4 years ago and im lucky to be alive,

I broke my ankle in 3 places, and both of my feet,

Ive got 5 pins still in my ankle and I still struggle on long days,

We still do use ladders for access reasons and also on zero risk climbs, which usually means me at the bottom of the ladder, lol.

Seriously though,

These guys know the risks, just like I do when Im policing,

The world is full of police hating scum and criminals who would love nothing more than seeing any officer on ther ass,

Policing is very very very dangerous,

but id do it anyday rather than returning to the ladders,

Dean

[steveo22]

just thought the working at hights law would apply

Dont allow youself to get caught up with all that pony the polers give out about working at heights.
I pole because im a lazy sod not because of ladders, coz ladders dont scare me in the least.
And LADDERS ARE NOT BANNED!

I know they're not, why do the WFP brigade get so aggro if some window cleaners still use ladders?? If ladders are banned then someone needs to inform these multi national companies like BT and Sky about it! How about Sky fitters using the DOAP system (drill on a pole).

BT and Sky are getting into window cleaning

So ladders are only banned if your a window cleaner then??

[Nathanael Jones]

So ladders are only banned if your a window cleaner then??

Window cleaners have another "Practicable" method of working,.. that s why it applies to us much more than other professions. We have an alternative!

[steveo22]

So ladders are only banned if your a window cleaner then??

Window cleaners have another "Practicable" method of working,.. that s why it applies to us much more than other professions. We have an alternative!

There's an alternative to most things. other professions could use a cherry picker, scaffolding etc... Still practical if you have the means!

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Don't think fitting a sky dish from a cherrypicker or scaffold tower is very practical is it?



Matt

[Nathanael Jones]

There's an alternative to most things. other professions could use a cherry picker, scaffolding etc... Still practical if you have the means!

It's only a matter of time,....


I'm not as anti-ladder as I might come across on here,.. there are jobs where a ladder is essential, and used properly the risks can be minimised,.. but if the job can be completed without using ladders then it really should be.

[mci services]

Safety in window cleaning using portable ladders

this is from a hse document


In some situations, use of long pole systems can also
help avoid risks of falling. However, these cannot be
used in every situation and risks from falling poles or
contact with power lines need to be considered. Also
the large quantities of water created on the ground can
result in an increased risk of slipping, especially if it
freezes or is carried into shops.

every method of cleaning has a risk its down to you percieve the risk

[steveo22]

Don't think fitting a sky dish from a cherrypicker or scaffold tower is very practical is it?



Matt

A lot safer though. Bet people didn't think it would be too practical hauling 250ltrs of water round in the back of a van and having to refill it at least once a day?! Not to mention filters and poles, never mind the expense! Would seem a lot more practical to just climb up your ladder and clean the window as had been done for generations beforehand?!

[bad trippy]

I can see wfp being banned in the future myself, i mean if the average windy uses say 2,500 litres per week how much has the RO wasted just to produce 2,500? 5,000 litres? 7,500 litres.
Times that by say 50,000 window cleaners and that is a hell of a lot of water!
I bet the water boards read forums like this regulary

[macmac]

Leaving ice behind is a real concern of mine in winter with wfp. Not be long before someone gets sued!

Before the barrage begins, get real, I ain't salting every inch of every piece of ground I wet on a customers or public ground.

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Ladders are safe!, its the operator that makes the use of ladders dangerous! i.e. if they don't know how to use them correctly.



Matt

[dazmond]

i agree matt!both times ive fell off it was my own fault!!complacent and naive(the first time anyway!).landed on my heels both times!back at work the next day!heels must be made of iron!i was v.lucky!no accidents in 10 yrs now.

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Landed on your heels? I bet that hurt mate?
I was once kicked in the heel whilst playing football, I had a strong stinging pain for hours after.



Matt

[Craig Trevain]

Hi Matt


Your up late! im just in from work ewww, did you get my e mail re tomorrow?


Craig