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the clean team

  • Posts: 39
is this legal
« on: November 24, 2009, 07:15:12 pm »

We Don't Use:

•Water Fed Pole Systems
•Gallons Of Water
•Harmful Chemical Processes


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its not mine just found a flyer the other day

bad trippy

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 07:19:58 pm »
what would be illegal about it?
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rg1

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 07:20:08 pm »
Well the photos definately are.
The pen is mightier than the sword (and a lot easier to write with!)

Nathanael Jones

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 07:20:20 pm »
Well ladders are illegal,... :)

And those stock images haven't been paid for,..

macmac

Re: is this legal
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 07:20:27 pm »
Can't see why not. I would say the wfp brigade are more guilty of telling porkies, or lets say, are more economical with the actual truth! ;D

steveo22

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 07:21:24 pm »
Why wouldn't it be? I state on my flyers that i use traditional method.

the clean team

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 07:22:00 pm »
just thought the working at hights law would apply

TonyD

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 07:24:38 pm »
Those photo's aren't paid for, hence the watermark visible.  Why put those on your website, crazy :P

Ta-ra

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 07:25:33 pm »
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bad trippy

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 07:26:33 pm »
just thought the working at hights law would apply
Dont allow youself to get caught up with all that pony the polers give out about working at heights.
I pole because im a lazy sod not because of ladders, coz ladders dont scare me in the least.
And LADDERS ARE NOT BANNED!
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Ta-ra

  • Posts: 209
Re: is this legal
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2009, 07:29:41 pm »
How do you know this?

steveo22

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2009, 07:33:27 pm »
just thought the working at hights law would apply
Dont allow youself to get caught up with all that pony the polers give out about working at heights.
I pole because im a lazy sod not because of ladders, coz ladders dont scare me in the least.
And LADDERS ARE NOT BANNED!
I know they're not, why do the WFP brigade get so aggro if some window cleaners still use ladders?? If ladders are banned then someone needs to inform these multi national companies like BT and Sky about it! How about Sky fitters using the DOAP system (drill on a pole).

Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2009, 07:44:37 pm »
just thought the working at hights law would apply


Its not law its a guide line set by the Health and Safety, and they state that ladders should only be used after all safer alternatives have been ruled out.



Matt
Reaching parts traditional window cleaners can not reach.

Sapphire Window Cleaning

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2009, 07:46:56 pm »
Why wouldn't it be? I state on my flyers that i use traditional method.


Harm full chemical process??
the manufacter of PLASTIC buckets and RUBBER squeegees produce more chemical waste than WFP set up.



Matt
Reaching parts traditional window cleaners can not reach.

rg1

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2009, 07:59:44 pm »
Why wouldn't it be? I state on my flyers that i use traditional method.


Harm full chemical process??
the manufacter of PLASTIC buckets and RUBBER squeegees produce more chemical waste than WFP set up.



Matt

Don't forget the Fairy Liquid :)
The pen is mightier than the sword (and a lot easier to write with!)

mci services

Re: is this legal
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 08:02:33 pm »
hes just marketing his business as he sees fit. ok the harmfull bit is a bit much but how many wfp users claim to be all eco friendly. and state we dont use harmfull detergents etc, fairy harmfull hardly

i use both methods by the way

wizard

Re: is this legal
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 08:03:12 pm »
This is what happens when we fight our corner for the system we use. This is a crack in this industry that will devide use and when our custies see the split we will not gain anything good  from it"STOP THIS WAR" its bad for our industry. By the way Jonesy ladders are not illegal and not one system is beter. I personaly use both. Its like a motor Mac say rings are beter than flat spanners.Lets stop the cheap snobbery guys?

rg1

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Re: is this legal
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 08:06:47 pm »
On a serious note, both have advantages and disadvantages which is why most wfp users use trad as well
The pen is mightier than the sword (and a lot easier to write with!)

wizard

Re: is this legal
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 08:12:04 pm »
This is for the guys who to lazy to surf the net but still persist on the ladder question.

When can ladders be used?

The HSE’s key message is that ladders should only be used for low-risk, short duration work.

Ladders can be used if after assessing the risks the use of more suitable work equipment is not justified because of the low risk and short duration.

Short duration is taken to be between 15 and 30 minutes depending upon the task.

Ladders can also be used for low risk work where there are features on the site that mean a ladder must be used.

These following comments were made by the HSE during the Windex 2006 Seminars.

The health and safety executive recognizes that it is unrealistic to expect every window cleaner to adopt new working practices overnight and also accepts that the indusrty accident record is low and is anticipating a period of transition to allow the industry to settle into the adoption of any new working methods needed to comply with the new regulations.
During this period the HSE will expect all window cleaners to consider the safet benefits of using alternatives to ladders and plan to change their work practices where possible.
The HSE will advise shortly as to the length of the transitional period.
The following examples illustrate situations where, provided a proper risk assessment has been done and equipment is properly used, ladder use may be appropriate during the transitional period.
Situations where ladders may be suitable:

On ground floor windows both internally and externally using ‘A’ frame ladders.
Internal of high windows in schools, shopping malls, atriums etc.
Up to and including 1st floor using ladders no more than 6 metres on domestic and small commercial properties.
Removal of heavily impaced soilage. Eg. Builders Cleans
To access windows above flat roofs.
Where the number of windows to be cleaned at height is very small relative to the total, making use of more expensive access or cleaning methods unreasonable
(eg. Less than 6 1st floor) on an isolated property.
On city centre red routes and in other areas where you can’t get the waterfed pole van near to the building to be cleaned and trailing hoses would cause a hazard.
On properties where the use of a trolley system is not suitable because of site conditions (i.e steps or other physical obstructions)
On isolated domestic and small commercial premises. (i.e in rural locations where you may have, say only one two houses on a street/housing estate.
On domestic and small commercial premises where ladders are required to access above a flat roof and there is a limited number of 1st floor windows which are not above a roof.
If you do decide that the use of a ladder is the most suitable means of access then you should conduct a further risk assessment into the actual use of the ladder and ensure that you use it safely.


Re: is this legal
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 09:13:57 pm »
just thought the working at hights law would apply
Dont allow youself to get caught up with all that pony the polers give out about working at heights.
I pole because im a lazy sod not because of ladders, coz ladders dont scare me in the least.
And LADDERS ARE NOT BANNED!
I know they're not, why do the WFP brigade get so aggro if some window cleaners still use ladders?? If ladders are banned then someone needs to inform these multi national companies like BT and Sky about it! How about Sky fitters using the DOAP system (drill on a pole).
BT and Sky are getting into window cleaning ??? ??? ???