[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Yes mate thanks.
Where were you working?



Matt

[Craig Trevain]

in the office, working on quotes for new jobs, as Heidi is in New york (she would normally do them). What did you think of the link of our new product?

[Window Washers]

I can see wfp being banned in the future myself, i mean if the average windy uses say 2,500 litres per week how much has the RO wasted just to produce 2,500? 5,000 litres? 7,500 litres.
Times that by say 50,000 window cleaners and that is a hell of a lot of water!
I bet the water boards read forums like this regulary

When they ban Coca cola and other well known drinks manufacturers maybe till then they can't drinks makers use far more than we do. our usage saves lives where as theres helps to make people fat so opposite and they use/waste millions of ltrs of water 

[AuRavelling79]

We Don't Use:

•Water Fed Pole Systems
•Gallons Of Water
•Harmful Chemical Processes


http://www.harrogatetraditional.co.uk/


its not mine just found a flyer the other day

It's not true because if they use detergent then the water used to rinse that out of scrims and towels and to wash scrims in the washing machine is far more than they would use on a waterfed pole.

A more accurate version would be ...


We don't use waterfed poles (so we mark your lawns,  cannot do above wet decking,  porches and conservatories without risking our necks or breaking your tiles and then blaming you the customer and suing you for letting us use ladders when our legs don't work and we poo in a bag)

We don't use gallons of water (except when we wash our scrims and frame wiping towels; or we don't bother doing the frames or your bathroom window - it's up to you really hmmmm?)

We don't use harmful chemical processes (except detergent, the occasional gob of tobacco-ridden spit and a splash of urine when we're caught short!)



www harrogate-luddite traditional co uk

 

[jonnyald]

theres some really good videos on you tube called MyWagga  where he shows you  cleaning upper indows with a trad pole and a modified wagtail .   doesnt need his ladder anymore and still trad .  makes sense these do

[Terry_Burrows]

Just like to point out Ladders are not Banned! Last year I went on a Ladder Trainning course I aws asked to do this By the Ladder Federation, Ladders are safe it is the person that uses them are not and some of you are talking about waste, how much water do you waste cleaning a window with a wfp system,when clearly you dont need it and now the frost is coming you are now making much more water around for a slippery situation for some one to fall and make a possible claim I am not anti wfp just pointing out some things

[AuRavelling79]

theres some really good videos on you tube called MyWagga  where he shows you  cleaning upper indows with a trad pole and a modified wagtail .   doesnt need his ladder anymore and still trad .  makes sense these do

How does he clean the frames?

[Tosh]

theres some really good videos on you tube called MyWagga  where he shows you  cleaning upper indows with a trad pole and a modified wagtail .   doesnt need his ladder anymore and still trad .  makes sense these do

How does he clean the frames?

Just leave them!  Only the really fussy customers mention frames, and you just dump those.

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Just like to point out Ladders are not Banned! Last year I went on a Ladder Trainning course I aws asked to do this By the Ladder Federation, Ladders are safe it is the person that uses them are not and some of you are talking about waste, how much water do you waste cleaning a window with a wfp system,when clearly you dont need it and now the frost is coming you are now making much more water around for a slippery situation for some one to fall and make a possible claim I am not anti wfp just pointing out some things

I see your point Terry, but if you saw the patios at some of my customers you wouldn't dream of setting ladders up, the amount of algae around far outways the amount of water that MAY freeze.
The chemical process:
Think about the waste that is produced when making the strips of rubber for the squeegee, and the plastic bucket.
I use less water to clean a 3 bed semi than most people use to flush the toilet.


Matt

[gewindows]

both times ive fell off it was my own fault!!complacent and naive(the first time anyway!).landed on my heels both times!back at work the next day!heels must be made of iron!i was v.lucky!

no accidents in 10 yrs now.

    


Shouldnt that be

Ive had more than my fair share of accidents caused by my lack of safety awareness but have been lucky enough so far not to end up in a wheelchair pooing into a bag for the rest of my days

[Terry_Burrows]

very true horses 4 courses,thats why every thing works for all situations,just wonder how wfp people get on when really frosty do they end up with a big
ice cube in the van or you have to heat this

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

Terry if its very frosty I won't go out until it warms up, the same as traditional for me.
I never went out if it was too frosty and icy, as you are asking for problems going up the ladders.
Thats just my view really Terry.



Matt

[Nathanael Jones]

I get big bags of salt,.. 25kg for under €15 from my local farmers co-op & salt under the windows before cleaning. Its only 3 or 4 days a year I need it though,.. last year I didn't even finish 1 bag.

As for wasting water,.. yes it is an issue. I reckon rainwater harvesting will become almost universal within the trade in the next year or 2.

[macmac]

Think about the waste that is produced when making the strips of rubber for the squeegee, and the plastic bucket.
I use less water to clean a 3 bed semi than most people use to flush the toilet.


 

Not really a valid argument. Think about the waste from the manufacture of all wfp equipment & consumables.

If you ask me, it's more about wfp'ers feeling threatened by trad cleaners with minimal overheads.

Why is it assumed that a trad cleaner is a cowboy, unprofessional, scruffy tax-dodging criminal? Most of you were trad cleaners at some time.

Why do the wfp'ers get SOOOOOOO touchy with these types of topic?

Why do they feel the need to agressively over-promote wfp?

Who are they tying to convince? 'cos it ain't me! :

I've been wfp for over 5 years but some of the replies to threads like this still make me laugh

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

I am not against Trad, I still clean some windows this method.

Maybe it wasn't a valid argument.

The thing that irritates me, is the fact that most of the Trad guys who slam WFP have never even tried it, so they are in no position to slam it.


Matt

[macmac]

I am not against Trad, I still clean some windows this method.

Maybe it wasn't a valid argument.

The thing that irritates me, is the fact that most of the Trad guys who slam WFP have never even tried it, so they are in no position to slam it.


Matt

I'm not digging at you personally MB but on the other hand just look at how trad guys are treated/viewed by wfp'ers on here! It's almost slander!

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

I personally think this split in the industry will damage the image of this industry.
Lost count how many times I have been approached by customers and other window cleaners saying that WFP is crap.
I just tell them the system isn't crap, its the operator. but they don't listen.



Matt

[macmac]

I just tell them the system isn't crap, its the operator. but they don't listen.

 

Well, there's an example. The truth is it's both as wfp is not suited to all windows & all circumstances. It's not a TOTAL solution, & that's where the problem lies.

[Murdie window cleaning]

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I just tell them the system isn't crap, its the operator. but they don't listen.

 
Now I'm not wanting to run any one down, but there is only one window cleaner in my town who uses wfp(to the best of my knowledge) and I have heard from quite a few folks when out canvassing that there not happy with the results. I was talking to my brother and his wife yesterday and they used to get this guy to do there windows as there 2nd floor flat and the same thing, streaky smears and marks, and this was after several months of cleaning. 

So I'm planning on getting maybe a backpack or trolley in the new year, but I'm a bit concerned that because there seems to be to many people allready turned off to wfp that it may take some convincen that it can actualy clean well.

[steveo22]

Ladders are bad news for window cleaners,

I gambled 4 years ago and im lucky to be alive,

I broke my ankle in 3 places, and both of my feet,

Ive got 5 pins still in my ankle and I still struggle on long days,

We still do use ladders for access reasons and also on zero risk climbs, which usually means me at the bottom of the ladder, lol.

Seriously though,

These guys know the risks, just like I do when Im policing,

The world is full of police hating scum and criminals who would love nothing more than seeing any officer on ther ass
Policing is very very very dangerous,

but id do it anyday rather than returning to the ladders,

Dean

Easy Tiger, we're on about ladder safety and alternatives, not how people hate you