[windowwashers]

I have been racking my brain for an analogy !  If you had a rare classic car with a 5k paint jobv  would you (a) take it to tescos car wash ? or would you (b)  take it to a hand wash ( with real hands on chamois , touching the curves of your baby ) Answers on a postcard please LOL .

Tesco does a hands on car wash I use all the time 

[Mr. S]

I am wfp and thought about going back to ladders too!

& thought about it................

& thought about it................

& thought about it................

& thought about it affecting my kids lives when their dad cant any longer play football with them and throw them around when hes broken his back! Thats why i changed, Safer for Me, Safer for My Family! .....God I sound like an advert for wfp!
If Ionics or anyone else want to pay me for this ad, please feel free!  

Seriously I loved using ladders, but safe now.  But never say never! Good luck though

[Terry_Burrows]

  the human touch :

[windowwashers]

the human touch :

Machines can feel like humans 

[Terry_Burrows]

 you will be lucky if they will pay you anything worth while! : but I to would rather use a pole,but wfp : ££££££££££££££££££££ to buy to run   what we are cleaning windows :

[trike]

Pole King

Paul,why did you choose to use wfp

The only reason i changed was because i see on these forums 3 years ago about the WAHD 2005 and saying ladders can't be used after a certain date so changed over as i still wanted to work.

I wish i ignored all that rubbish now and carried on how i was.not rubbish friend got fined 80 pound being up ladders

Chris Galloway

I can see how annoying it must be without a van mount system.

Its not annoying at all i have a van and trolley system.

[bigsi41]

Trouble with advice on a forum is you cant see the person . Many posts on here can harm a new business !   I have invested my kids inheritence on several new enterprises , and its a joy to see them doing well ! For all the other posts there is always Viz !

[Terry_Burrows]

  Trouble is certain people dont want to hear the truth spoken about certain things now do they : on here might spoil certain peoples reputation or reputations

[Darren O]

I went WFP about 18 months ago it was about 50/50 at first as i still used my ladders on half my run as it was quicker.Now 80% of my run i use ladders got totally fed up tripping up over my pole hose and the minibore also rosebushes gates,there could be one brick in the whole garden and i would manage to get tangled with it.Also would have to say ive got certain parts of my run like sheltered housing that used to take me 5 hours with ladders i can pole it in less than 3 and still use it on commercial so i will always keep my pole.The other thing i dont like about WFP is i always get a sore back and neck with it.

[windowwashers]

Trouble is certain people dont want to hear the truth spoken about certain things now do they : on here might spoil certain peoples reputation or reputations

Truth spoken is only in some people eyes, I am not in any way anti trad as I still do it, but at the same time I think wfp is a very good tool, that some just either have not tried or tried and failed to learn how to use. At the end of the day we all are differebnt we run are business' different what works for some will not work for others, that is what makes life a challenge.

A little like a window cleaner being a tv star who would ever have thought that 
I think you should use wfp Terry and do many of use duel users a a favour (before you say no please think about it )

[peter holley]

i bet if terry went wfp hed be the quickest wfpoler :

[bigsi41]

I were cleaning a house , when a new sign written van ( was a figure with a pole in his hand raising it to the sky ) turned up !  He looked at me with a look of contempt , the likes of which i hadnt seen since i told my then wife to turn the radiaters down since it was summer !  He had a giant pole squirting the purest water onto the windows ( how he managed to keep the smug smile I dont know )    I had just finnished the front , checking the windows were ok ( sorry pure ) Anyway ,I was loading my 200lb ladders on my good shoulder , when the wfp guy caught my gaze and he winked at me ! He must have burnt the clutch out , cos I swear the van nearly took off !  I thank him now for showing what spraying water on a window can do for us trad guys !

[Terry_Burrows]

  well the fact is no one yet has offerd me a good deal some one offerd a crap one to which I said no! but just giving my view on wfp as I see it,

[windowwashers]

i bet if terry went wfp hed be the quickest wfpoler :

not at all, I could beat him trad I just had a bad arm at the show     lol

[windowwashers]

well the fact is no one yet has offerd me a good deal some one offerd a crap one to which I said no! but just giving my view on wfp as I see it,

your welcome to come and work for me Terry, I can show you the ropes and if you get a tv interview I will give you a wfp system free 

[Terry_Burrows]

  what  da yar mean if! I get  a Tv interveiw I have more of them then hot dins lets talk wonga show me the money show me the money            

[bigsi41]

well the fact is no one yet has offerd me a good deal some one offerd a crap one to which I said no! but just giving my view on wfp as I see it,

your welcome to come and work for me Terry, I can show you the ropes and if you get a tv interview I will give you a wfp system free 

[bigsi41]

well the fact is no one yet has offerd me a good deal some one offerd a crap one to which I said no! but just giving my view on wfp as I see it,

your welcome to come and work for me Terry, I can show you the ropes and if you get a tv interview I will give you a wfp system free 

Just admit you are a queen Ian ! You need to seperate your pro life from private ducky !

Queen........... I think not, king maybe  : My pro life on here people see me for what I am I hide nothing unlike alot I am not going to change for anyone I like the way I am and seem to get on with everyone that I speak to, I am never going to please every one nor an I going to try, what you see is what you get with me, always has been always will be

The talk about the moderation bit , did you have any ideas ?

[windowwashers]

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[Paul Coleman]

For the past couple of week on my domestics only i have gone back to ladders.

I have used my car as its cheaper to run and easier getting the ladders off than the van.

I actually have done more work since going back to ladders than i did with WFP.

I took my trolley in the car for leaded windows and chucked my harris in the back so not completely traditional.

But on your bog standard house's i actually earn't more money than i do with WFP and without the pain of having to purify water.
My expenses were only diesel for the car and that came out a lot less than my van.

I have never been happy with WFP but im now staying traditional but take my trolley just for leaded windows.

I'm surprised that you are earning faster with ladders than WFP Paul.  I could do that for the odd job here and there but not over all.  I assume you are still using a pole for the difficult to reach domestic windows?  Good thinking about keeping WFP for the leaded ones as well.
I couldn't see me going back to ladders as a first choice but I'm pleased to hear you are doing what is most suitable for yourself.  After all, these are all tools for cleaning windows.  It can be easy to forget that when constantly WFPing.