[pjulk]

For the past couple of week on my domestics only i have gone back to ladders.

I have used my car as its cheaper to run and easier getting the ladders off than the van.

I actually have done more work since going back to ladders than i did with WFP.

I took my trolley in the car for leaded windows and chucked my harris in the back so not completely traditional.

But on your bog standard house's i actually earn't more money than i do with WFP and without the pain of having to purify water.
My expenses were only diesel for the car and that came out a lot less than my van.

I have never been happy with WFP but im now staying traditional but take my trolley just for leaded windows.

[bigsi41]

Well done .

[clean]

Paul,why did you choose to use wfp ?

[Chris Galloway]

It may not suit everyone.

I can see how annoying it must be without a van mount system.

Personally i cant see myself doing the same.

Good luck to you anyway

[wightsurf]

I'm not slow at trad but wfp i'm alot quicker, not so much in time spent cleaning the window but in time spent up down ladder sometimes twice on a larger window .
But it don't suit all house as i have a large junk i do trad because the wfp just would'nt work,

[pjulk]

Pole King

Paul,why did you choose to use wfp

The only reason i changed was because i see on these forums 3 years ago about the WAHD 2005 and saying ladders can't be used after a certain date so changed over as i still wanted to work.

I wish i ignored all that rubbish now and carried on how i was.

Chris Galloway

I can see how annoying it must be without a van mount system.

Its not annoying at all i have a van and trolley system.

[Dean Aspects]

You use which ever tool suits you best if that is working off ladders then so be it brave man i couldnt face going back to ladders as i am now a big softy

[pjulk]

I'm not slow at trad but wfp i'm alot quicker

On most standard house's there is not a lot in it WFP or traditional well not for an experienced window cleaner.

And traditional i find much more satisfying

[clean]

Pole King

Paul,why did you choose to use wfp

The only reason i changed was because i see on these forums 3 years ago about the WAHD 2005 and saying ladders can't be used after a certain date so changed over as i still wanted to work.

I wish i ignored all that rubbish now and carried on how i was.

Chris Galloway

I can see how annoying it must be without a van mount system.

Its not annoying at all i have a van and trolley system.

Paul,
so what`s going to happen to your website as it bosts health and safety this and health and safety that,working at height bla bla bla,what did you explain to your customers about that and what will you tell them ? that you were wrong ?
and that you are not earning as much and it`s about a speed thing now not safety ? 

[wightsurf]

Paul
It's the time spent going up and down the ladder that i find loses the time as with wfp it's two secs away too the next window! Not the speed cleaning the window.

[pjulk]

You do lose time going up and down ladders yes i agree but a lot of my work is really compact i don't have to keep reeling the hose in and out moving the van.

With ladders i just park up grab my ladder and  traditional gear and im gone for the rest of the day until im finished and save time there not keep moving van or mucking about with poles and hose.

[LWC]

utter madness

[Jeff Brimble]

Paul,
 Please keep us updated on your progress with the ladders as we hear of people that go back to using them then never hear anything again......

[clean]

Paul,
 Please keep us updated on your progress with the ladders as we hear of people that go back to using them then never hear anything again......

I think he will be busy updating his website 

[Dean Taberner]

Speed isnt the issue for me.

3 years ago when I was trad I came off my ladder and seriously injured myself and had to take a year off work in the process.

Im now WFP and the chances of this happening again are 0%

Even if it took twice as long to WFP my safety and family come first.

Dean.

[clean]

Speed isnt the issue for me.

3 years ago when I was trad I came off my ladder and seriously injured myself and had to take a year off work in the process.

Im now WFP and the chances of this happening again are 0%

Even if it took twice as long to WFP my safety and family come first.

Dean.

Well said Dean,
"safety first"

[wightsurf]

I agree speed should not be the issue but for so many people ,it seems to be

[pjulk]

Pole king said -

so what`s going to happen to your website as it bosts health and safety this and health and safety that,working at height

My commercial i will still use WFP so as i no longer take on any domestic work the commercial will still be the same so the website can stay as it is.

what did you explain to your customers about that and what will you tell them ? that you were wrong ?
and that you are not earning as much and it`s about a speed thing now not safety ?

I just told them if they asked most didn't say a thing but the one's who did i said to them that i fancied doing it the traditional way for a change.

And its not a speed or safety thing or anything its all about satisfaction my satisfaction i couldn't care less if it took me twice as long i just was never happy with WFP and prefer traditional.
been cleaning traditional since 1987 and have always loved the job.
Changed to WFP early 2005 and i have never been happy with it and i started to hate the job.
This has not been a spur of the moment decision i have been thinking about it well over a year.

If i stick with WFP i know i will end up selling up and giving up for good.
Now going back to traditional has made me a lot happier again

[pjulk]

I knew before i posted this people will say stuff like safety and that.

I have been window cleaning 21 years and have never had a fall.
You take risks in everything you do and using ladders i find is no more of a risk than anything else.

It the person who use's the ladder who is normally at fault when they fall.
I hope i never do fall but you never know but its a small risk worth taking.

There are also risks with WFP trip and slip hazards, electrocution,

The Electric Window Cleaner -Said

Paul,
Please keep us updated on your progress with the ladders as we hear of people that go back to using them then never hear anything again......

Yes i will gladly keep you updated

[Nathanael Jones]

utter madness

100% agree,....