[NWH]

I used it today on a regular clean and it still left brush lines behind,i`ve used other brushes before and have never had this problem before.It`s down to the amount of bristles in the brush and with them being so soft the brush almost pushes flat on the glass,i used to have the same problems with the bentley brush time and time again.

[Oakley Windows]

How is the dual trim by comparison?

[ftp]

Do you mean lines of or in dirt, or lines of water, sort of greasy lines?

[Oakley Windows]

Unremoved dirt lines (between bristles on the glass)

[Kevin R]

Unremoved dirt lines (between bristles on the glass)

I have never seen that ever, what sort of flow are you using?

[Kevin R]

How is the dual trim by comparison?

The dual trim is much better, the shorter bristles in the middle give the brush support. I have found its a good brush for rinsing on

The single one has all but had it 

[Oakley Windows]

Unremoved dirt lines (between bristles on the glass)

I have never seen that ever, what sort of flow are you using?

Quite high, approaching 2 litres a minute.

I wouldnt say thats the case on all windows by any means. I noticed it at home here where the cat paws the glass to get in on the window over a flat roof. I did the window last week and noticed aftewards it hadnt come up well, so made a mental note about it. It might just be because its my place and I just flashed the brush at the glass.

I said it as NWH mentioned it too. Ill get a dual trim I think to have a lookie at that.

[ftp]

NWH, so what your saying is you can't do a maintenance clean with it?

[NWH]

After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.

[Kevin R]

After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.

I have been doing schools this week so lots of chance to check back over work. The windows haven't been cleaned on the schools for 4 months. The results have been excellent.

The quality is no different than when using my Vikan but rinsing on is better on the dual trim.  However I have been using hot wfp so maybe that is the difference between the brushes and the scrubbing power etc?

[NWH]

After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.

I have been doing schools this week so lots of chance to check back over work. The windows haven't been cleaned on the schools for 4 months. The results have been excellent.

The quality is no different than when using my Vikan but rinsing on is better on the dual trim.  However I have been using hot wfp so maybe that is the difference between the brushes and the scrubbing power etc?

Like you say you`ve been using hot water and that has been the difference in your case,you can`t compare hot and cold on first cleans,also if your aware there might be a problem with the brush you tend to try that little bit harder to make sure your doing a good job.When i`m confident with the brush i can get on and work much quicker knowing it`s doing the job,that`s the thing with the bentley i had 0 confidence in it at any height.

[Wayne Thomas]

The dual trim keeps it's shape used as a hot brush.
Splays just right and is noticeably lighter than a Tucker.
Scrubs about 80% as efficient as a Tucker brush.
I'll use it on my SL2 because of the weight being lighter than a Tucker.  
However, it's better on sash windows for reaching in between the runners on first cleans.
It's better than Tucker on dreaded leaded's for maintenance cleans because it splays better so bounces less against the lead strips.
For heavily soiled windows I still prefer a Tucker brush because it still removes bird pooh easier with less effort than the new gardiner dual trim brush for definite 100%, no comparison.
Haven't tried the single trim version yet.
Not a bad mono filament brush for the money though.

[Kevin R]

The dual trim keeps it's shape used as a hot brush.
Splays just right and is noticeably lighter than a Tucker.
Scrubs about 80% as efficient as a Tucker brush.
I'll use it on my SL2 because of the weight being lighter than a Tucker.  
However, it's better on sash windows for reaching in between the runners on first cleans.
It's better than Tucker on dreaded leaded's for maintenance cleans because it splays better so bounces less against the lead strips.
For heavily soiled windows I still prefer a Tucker brush because it still removes bird pooh easier with less effort than the new gardiner dual trim brush for definite 100%, no comparison.
Haven't tried the single trim version yet.
Not a bad mono filament brush for the money though.

I have almost destroyed the single trim with hot Wayne, yet the dual trim is in great shape. I do agree the dual trim is a good brush for the money and defo agree with the bit about sash and leads.

I still haven' t tried a tucker. Don't you need to do some conversion work?

[Kevin R]

After looking at that job todayi reckon i`ve done some right ropey work over the last week or so,like they say they all look clean when there wet.To be honest i`m lucky i lot have been away or out.

I have been doing schools this week so lots of chance to check back over work. The windows haven't been cleaned on the schools for 4 months. The results have been excellent.

The quality is no different than when using my Vikan but rinsing on is better on the dual trim.  However I have been using hot wfp so maybe that is the difference between the brushes and the scrubbing power etc?

Like you say you`ve been using hot water and that has been the difference in your case,you can`t compare hot and cold on first cleans,also if your aware there might be a problem with the brush you tend to try that little bit harder to make sure your doing a good job.When i`m confident with the brush i can get on and work much quicker knowing it`s doing the job,that`s the thing with the bentley i had 0 confidence in it at any height.

NWH, why not try the dual trim, it feels like a completely different brush?

Lets face it the bently is Sh.... 

[Wayne Thomas]

If the single trim loses its shape too easily with hot water, cut the inner bristles down similar to a dual trim. The brush bristles will be even shorter than they are now which will make them stiffer but the brush will still keeps it's properties similar to a normal dual trim because the inner bristles aren't constantly in contact with the glass. The brush will also scrub better in theory having shorter bristles than originally supplied.

[Kevin R]

Wayne, I mean on the Tucker, don't you have to convert it to get it to fit a standard wfp pole?


I have a spare single trim that I am going to make into a dual trim for the very reasons you stated in you last post 

[Wayne Thomas]

Kev R,

Yes you do need to convert the Tucker brushes but it's easy enough. I'll show you how I do mine if you fancy. As you're addicted to hot water, I honestly recommend you try a Tucker brush for hot wfp. You'll definitely notice a big difference for heavily soiled windows.

[Kevin R]

Kev R,

Yes you do need to convert the Tucker brushes but it's easy enough. I'll show you how I do mine if you fancy. As you're addicted to hot water, I honestly recommend you try a Tucker brush for hot wfp. You'll definitely notice a big difference for heavily soiled windows.

I would like that Wayne. I really want to try a Tucker

Yes I have become addicted to hot - Its all the filthy dirty commercial I have to do on a daily basis. Just makes it so much easier.

You know this week I have been using the SL2 and the new brush with hot and it has made this job so much easier than the last time I did it. Usually I get pretty hot and tired using the 60ft and 40 ft telescopic poles but with the SL2 I got cold today LOL

[Kevin R]

I am still really pleased with the dual trim brush from Gardiners but the single trim one is a completely different story.

I have been using it for 4 days and it went in the bin this afternoon. I absolutely destroyed it. Not enough scrubbing power so you end up pushing really hard and it destroys the brush. Ok I have been using it with hot wfp but thats true of the dual trim too and thats ok. I just think the bristles are too long and splay too easily where as the short middle bristles on the dual trim dont deform so protect the outer longer bristles. 4 days thats the shortest time I have ever owned a brush - that will take some beating 

[Alex Gardiner]

Shame   

We have a slightly different single trim coming out next month - we'll send one up to you for hot water trialling.