[Ian_Giles]

On my first reply I started out only replying to your original question, then went to post and saw that Squeaky just had to reply and turn it into the usual debate...something he always moans about on other threads.

What a change for you to blame me Ian.
It had already become that before I said anything. :

No it hadn't, I've just read through every reply up until yours Roger, and every one was offering advice or giving examples of what they had come across.

You were the sole instigator of Trad v WFP.

If you are alluding to what Neil said, then you are wrong, his statement was accurate. He certainly made no mention of WFP being better than trad, and no one else did as far as I can tell.
The vast majority of us who use WFP are also very experienced Trad window cleaners, and unlike you, where WFP is concerned we actually know what we are talking about.
And remember, I never make claims on here that I'm not prepared to back up.

Ian

[Sir Squeaky]

If you are alluding to what Neil said, then you are wrong, his statement was accurate. He certainly made no mention of WFP being better than trad, and no one else did as far as I can tell.

Accurate?
He said he did a better job now.
If couldn't do it properly trad then that's his problem.
He shouldn't wrongly assume he's better than any other trad guys.

If he hadn't started his usual high-horse stuff I wouldn't have said anything.

I certainly had no gripe with anyone else before then.
It was perfectly good reading.

[Pj]

The problem with wfp is that they clean windows to a very high standard, so if there are imperfections in the glass they will show up. They may never have noticed it before with trad w/c but it stands out more with wfp.

Nel.

Don't start that crap again!
You can't clean windows to anywhere near my (or any other proper w/c's) standard.

Don't fill people's heads with rubbish please, it doesn't help the forum.

This is where things go wrong.  It seems Squeaky read Nel's comment in the context it was meant, but it didn't really explain things clearly at all.

ie.  Wfp can clean windows to a high standard.  However, using copious amounts of cold water against the glass to clean it will reveal  weaknesses in the seal of any type of window.  These may not have shown up using an applicator and squeegee.  Bear in mind the fault is really with the window, not the method of cleaning.

As with all of us, if our statements are not accurate, expect them to be challenged!  No amount of vocabulary will alter the ensuing argument if what we say is bigotted!

[Ian_Giles]

The problem with wfp is that they clean windows to a very high standard, so if there are imperfections in the glass they will show up. They may never have noticed it before with trad w/c but it stands out more with wfp.

Nel.

In what way did Neil slag off Trad? What Neil said was perfectly accurate, done properly the glass itself is cleaner than trad, sorry mate, but you get it right then it is.
You will have also cleaned the frames to a very high standard.
You get it wrong then you can really screw up, and on the odd window pane you may get the odd dribble or spot, but by and large, if you are good at what you do then the finish you get will at the very least be as good as you can obtain with trad, and you have the added bonus of not having any residue left on the glass, thereby leaving the job 'cleaner' than you could get it done trad.

And as I keep telling you, if you don't believe me then come out with me for an hour and I'll prove it to you.

Tosh covered my work for me while I was away in spain for a week, and apart from a single run on the inside of the Stroud and Swindon, and even after a week of pretty foul weather, finished off with several hours of fairly torrential rain yesterday, I coun't find fault with the work he did for me, and believe me, I was looking!!
Now he didn't use WFP on everything I know, but I couldn't tell what he did trad and what he did WFP.
And if I couldn't tell, then you sure as hell wouldn't be able to.

to all intents and purposes, WFP is easily the equal of Trad...providing you have someone using it who knows what they are doing.

Ian

[windows_chepstow]

Tosh covered my work for me while I was away in spain for a week, and apart from a single run on the inside of the Stroud and Swindon, and even after a week of pretty foul weather, finished off with several hours of fairly torrential rain yesterday, I coun't find fault with the work he did for me, and believe me, I was looking!!

Ian

Hey,

The (Stroud and Swindons) have these big-wooden-display signs in the middle of all their windows.  You've got to be a bloody spider-monkey to get to the glass!

(Only joking Ian, I know it's a compliment.  I'll be checking your work more closely from now on! )

[Pj]

Quote from Ian Giles:

"Done properly the glass is cleaner than trad"

"I couldn't tell what he did trad, and what he did wfp"


 

[rosskesava]

We did a new job today. The previous w/c couldn't get to the place (a medium sized resendentual home) at the times she was available but as we are right near her every week, the job got passed to us.

She had only one condition. That we do the job wfp because in the past she's used normal window cleaners and the last bloke had converted her to wfp.

That's a first for me.

I know it's the opposite to the threads heading.

Right.... back to the pregnant doging. 

I meant back to the b i t c h i n g. This is a pc correct forum.

[Sir Squeaky]

The (Stroud and Swindons) have these big-wooden-display signs in the middle of all their windows.  You've got to be a bloody spider-monkey to get to the glass!

I used to hate doing that for Ian.
Long arms help, but you need to be Mr.Tickle.

Oh, and I'm not surprised Tosh did a good job for you Ian, he took long enough.
While he did the top two floors of The Coach & Horses I did the entire in and out of the downstairs of The Kings Head including both sides of the georgian porch!

These speedy wfp'ers!

[windows_chepstow]

The (Stroud and Swindons) have these big-wooden-display signs in the middle of all their windows.  You've got to be a bloody spider-monkey to get to the glass!

I used to hate doing that for Ian.
Long arms help, but you need to be Mr.Tickle.

Oh, and I'm not surprised Tosh did a good job for you Ian, he took long enough.
While he did the top two floors of The Coach & Horses I did the entire in and out of the downstairs of The Kings Head including both sides of the georgian porch!

These speedy wfp'ers!

Squeaky,

The day I did that job, I made close to 200 quid.  Today, I made over 200 quid.  I've nearly double the customers you have, yet I've been in the trade for half the time you have.  I'd be surprised if you make more than 500 quid a week; in a good week.

In the street where you live, I refuse to clean the windows of the people who live there, since they're generally bad-paying council-house customers. Besides, no-one could charge more than a fiver for them.

Please don't take the urine out of me in your posts, I'm trying to avoid you in these stupid posts you stick up, but I won't pull any punches if you continue.

 

[rosskesava]

Maybe it has more to do with what each is happy doing and earning than who is better?

It's like ping pong ball or tennis.

Anyway, it's good reading.

[Pj]

All this bickering!  What a shame. 

Sorry, but, put Ian Giles, Squeaky Clean & Tosh in a thread together... they turn it into a Chepstow squabble.  At best...distracting.


The original post however is very intriguing:

Condensation on the outside of a window cleaned over a week previous!
How does condensation, appearing on the outside of a window 10 or 11 days after a window cleaner has been have any possible connection?

If someone called me to say their path was damp below their window 10 days after I had been, regardless of the method I was using to clean their windows, I would conclude they were being, at the very least totally unreasonable.  I would be glad of the loss of such a nutter!

How these interesting topics get so off track is often to do with the Chepstow 3!

Sorry guys, you do spice things up though.

[Sir Squeaky]

The day I did that job, I made close to 200 quid.  Today, I made over 200 quid.  I've nearly double the customers you have, yet I've been in the trade for half the time you have.  I'd be surprised if you make more than 500 quid a week; in a good week.
Just shows you've got high prices that's all.
I've seen now that you're not fast with your magic pole at all!
Don't forget you work a lot more hours than me.
I put my feet up or play golf while you're slogging away.

In the street where you live, I refuse to clean the windows of the people who live there, since they're generally bad-paying council-house customers. Besides, no-one could charge more than a fiver for them.
Nor do I... :
Never have.
You do all those areas, I do the classy places.

What a stroppy reply just because I found out you're not as quick as you reckon!

[rosskesava]

In defense of Squeaky Clean, over the last year(s) we lost loads of customers because of wfp but not one because of us using trad methods. Even if there was windows we could not do trad style.

As for the wfp v trad thing. I'm hard put to say which is better or in some cases quicker but I cannot deny the increased profits using wfp.

Cheers

[Ian_Giles]

Squeaks points out that he was like greased lightning compared to Tosh on one particular account, but on that same account (the pub) I did the entire pub front while he was doing the paintshop, which is a fairly small shop opposite opposite the Kings head that he said he cleaned.

It is perhaps a little unfair to compare how quickly Tosh did an account he's never done before to one that Squeaks does every 2 weeks.

and of course every time Roger brags about how much quicker he than some guy using WFP he puts himself up there to be shot at.
It was his constant claims that he is quuicker than WFP that first stung me into offering him the chance to prove it.
Ditto on a trad challenge to clean a single large pane of glass.

PJ is right of course...threads often go off course, and at times the Chepstow three are at fault (although if you check out the back pages you will find I've always stayed on topic and done my best to offer good advice before I veer away off course)

But also, as we are so very local to one another, any false claims can be called to account, or, if only Squeaks would have the nerve to take up the challenge, to either prove or disprove the fact that WFP can indeed be the equal of Trad and can be done faster and doesn't always leave spots.

Squeaks being the forums most rabid WFP hater is the perfect person to use, if either Tosh or myself were to be wrong in whatever our claims are then Squeaks could shout it from the rooftops to all and sundry.
If he is right that WFP leaves spots all the time, then he can hark back to the fact that even when we were trying our best not to leave spots or do a poor job we couldn't manage it.

claims of being faster than Trad on a straight forward semi??

Once more he could put us in our place and deride other's claims of speed from a position of authority.

So when Squeaks comes out with a false statement, like; 'I've got nothing to prove. 
My methods are already proven, and accepted by everyone as the best.

At the moment he can be taken to task over it, because it sure as hell has not been proven.

but unfortunately he isn't prepared to stand up and be counted, I'm saying he has got something to prove...his above statement for one thing!

And I get up early and can't stop myself waffling on and on
 Only stopping when I have to go to work....which is now


Ian

[Sir Squeaky]

Squeaks points out that he was like greased lightning compared to Tosh on one particular account, but on that same account (the pub) I did the entire pub front while he was doing the paintshop, which is a fairly small shop opposite opposite the Kings head that he said he cleaned.

It is perhaps a little unfair to compare how quickly Tosh did an account he's never done before to one that Squeaks does every 2 weeks.

Ian, I never once said I was quicker than you.

All I pointed out is Tosh saying he's quicker than me now, which is proved to be miles out.

He made statements like "Squeaky thinks he can clean quicker than wfp" etc..etc..
Feels an offensive claim from someone who does the front of a pub while I do a £25 in & out....

[Ian_Giles]

You miss the point dude, I wasn't saying how much faster I am, merely highlighting the difference between someone doing a job for someone else for the first time and making sure it is done properly.
Like you with the Kings head, I do this one every 2 weeks, been WFPing it for the last 2 and a half years so I know exactly how fast I can go to get the job done to a good standard.
On one of Tosh's regular accounts you would find it to be a very different affair I'm sure.

Ian

[Paul Coleman]

Come off it guys.  Does it really matter who is quickest and what method they use?
This is starting so sound like an argument about who has got the biggest plonker. 

[steveaqua]

its funny though ain't it?

nothing like a good slagging match

[windows_chepstow]

I don't like arguing with lying fools!

So won't do it again.

[Sir Squeaky]

I don't like arguing with lying fools!

So won't do it again.

Yeah of course I'm lying....I just made it up.

That pub took you 5 minutes really.... :