[ronaldo]

Have,nt we heard all this b######s before 

[Sunshine Cleaning]

Come on Tosh , this is better than telly.

[windows_chepstow]

Sorry guys.  You know my policy on arguing.

[Sunshine Cleaning]

Slow coach sissy girl!

[windows_chepstow]

 Ouch, that hurts.

I want my rubbish Unger rubbers back.

[Sunshine Cleaning]

Sorry Tosh, there should have been some after.

I know your not a slow coach.

Ps the rubbers were shoved up the Donkey!!

[steveselvage]

Ive had customers tell me that wfp isnt as good as traditional cleaning,what i say is let me clean it and ill come back for the money tomorrow,if you are not convinced that the windows are cleaner when done this way keep the money in your purse. Generally i am met with an apology when i go back as the windows are always better with wfp.
Cleaners that slag wfp off to people in the hope of getting a few more customers are ballsing it up for themselves as much as anyone else as sooner or later they will have to change over to compete.
Invest in your business,the days are gone when a ladder and scruffy old motor will do.Todays customers expect more,if you cant give it some other cleaner will.

[Sir Squeaky]

Ive had customers tell me that wfp isnt as good as traditional cleaning,what i say is let me clean it and ill come back for the money tomorrow,if you are not convinced that the windows are cleaner when done this way keep the money in your purse. Generally i am met with an apology when i go back as the windows are always better with wfp.
Cleaners that slag wfp off to people in the hope of getting a few more customers are ballsing it up for themselves as much as anyone else as sooner or later they will have to change over to compete.
Invest in your business,the days are gone when a ladder and scruffy old motor will do.Todays customers expect more,if you cant give it some other cleaner will.

I'm not even going to do that justice by commenting.

[Jeff Brimble]

Why not ?
* years ago when I started, I guessed it would give me a 5 year advantage. Well they are still all trad round here, so maybe I have another 5 years head start,... again. Keep it up Squeeks cause it give us old farts a standing start. So I can earn the extra money and I may be still going at 62 earning the same. I hope so. I also hope you are as well.
ps dont knock it too much to your punters there may come a day, which I know you will not think will come where you may need to go wfp, so dont burn your bridges. I mean this with the best thoughts to you. Please carry on knocking wfp and we may agree to differ.
Why ? THE MONEY. 

[Sir Squeaky]

Why ? THE MONEY. 

I agree.

Mine costs sod all.
Your's costs loads.

[JM123]

Great debate lads - Ian if this was someone else bickering instead of you and the squeeky one then the thread would have been locked. 

Squeeks, stop burning bridges for yourself - you will change over some day.  I can assure the hse are going to start enforcing WAHD2005, trust me, with some of the higher jobs you've mentioned in the past you will have no hope of doing them.  You go on about how much cleaner you leave your customers windows, better job and faster blah blah blah thats all it is, spend a day with a good wfper and you will see just how slow youreally are in comparison - Turbo Terry couldn't keep up, its the difference between walking and driving a car. 

I'm confident I'm faster with the squeegee than you, faster up and down the ladders, and yet with wfp I am miles faster again, actually I'm probably twice or3 times as fast, I still make £40 an hour and we have probably the lowest prices in Britain in my part of the country (£5 for a 3 bed semi on average).

[neil100]

It seams Squeaks took exception to my earlier post and as been back on his wfp Bashing crusade yet again.

I would of posted a reply sooner but I have been spending my spare time this last month test driving 2 seater sports cars and haggling over getting a good deal on one. Its all sorted now and its being deliverd tommorw.

Just a mention to spice things up, the car as been bought out of the extra income I have made from wfp over the last 6 months. That is what I have earned extra compared to the same time the year before when I was just Trad. It includes the purchase of a private REG number to be fitted to the car. It spells NEL by the way.I still have enough change left over out of the extra profits of wfp to take my beloved to Tennerife in December. Thats just from the last 6 months by the way.

Now the financial benefits of wfp over trad go without saying, if you have got a good business head on you.

Now I know some are not intrested in making a lot of money. They are quite happy to charge £5 for a house when they could have charged £10. Thats up to them.

But Squeaks brings the point back to the debating table that Trad is better then wfp. What utter Tripe.

Squeaks reminds me of the modern Historian who claims the German holocaust never actually happened, Its just a modern fabrication. I have seen this Historian interviwed, (though his name eludes me at present) and despite overwhelming evidence that as been presented before him. He just refuses to acknowledge it.

No matter what we say as to the benefits or to the high standard you can clean a window with wfp, Squeaks will allways shoot us down. Verbally that is.

But under carful examination of Squeaks posts I have now unfortunately come to the  overwhelming conclusion that as far as w/c advice goes. He speaks tripe

If you are thinking of switching to wfp from trad then you will get a lot of good advice on this forum. But unfortunately some have got trad blinkers on and cannot see the bigger picture.

Its not True that people only switch to wfp because they are no good at trad w/c.I cleaned trad for a quarter of a Century, and I can match any w/c in the world for speed and quality at trad cleaning on real houses. But in my opionion wfp on a house with No frame issues or faulty seals will clean the glass to a higher standard. FACT.

Nel

[Sir Squeaky]

Its not True that people only switch to wfp because they are no good at trad w/c.I cleaned trad for a quarter of a Century, and I can match any w/c in the world for speed and quality at trad cleaning on real houses. But in my opionion wfp on a house with No frame issues or faulty seals will clean the glass to a higher standard. FACT.

Nel

I think you're the blinkered one mate.

Just because it's cost you so much money.... :
As for JM123, that's the biggest load of arse I've read on here in a long time.
If you're going to try and quote me, get it right.
I've said many times I don't take on anything above average 1st floor height.

Just because something is newer doesn't make it better.
A lot can be said of cars for a start.

You've just fallen for a gimmick. A fad...It'll pass. 

[Paul Coleman]

Why ? THE MONEY. 

I agree.

Mine costs sod all.
Your's costs loads.

Yeah but we can afford it cos we work faster   
Starting to sound a bit circular this isn't it LOL?

[D woods]

Hi Neil
The historian you mentioned is David Irvin I think he was put in prison in
another country.

what was the car you bought?

[AuRavelling79]

Why ? THE MONEY. 

I agree.

Mine costs sod all.
Your's costs loads.

Well, my wfp set up was £1400 initially and I've "grown it" over the past year and so total spend has been £2000. Spread that over the 20 months I've been wfp'ing and that's about £100 per month.

I've not gone out to set the world alight, but by just pruning a bit here and adding a bit there to my round my turnover has gone up by £6000 per year, I work safer, I'm less tired and as for my vehicle - I still use the 15 year old car I was using for trad.

Squeaky, I don't live the high life, but I don't sit in McDonalds pointing out spots on the windows to my wife and justifying my lack of commercial wisdom by telling her it's because of the method used and not because of the person using the equipment.

[neil100]

Thanks Mr Woods,

The car I have bought is aToyota mr2. Its got an hard top, Leather, air con, the works. I was after the model with an smt gearbox.Quite rare. So you change gear with no clutch. You have a gear lever which you move towards you to change up or towards the bonnet to change down. Or you can use the buttons on the steering wheel to change up or down gear.

Its a little belter, its only done 9300 miles. So just run in. I was in two minds for ages weather to go for the porsche Boxter or the toyota. The running costs of the porsche scared me a little. I have never had a roadster so I did not want to buy a new one as its only going to be a weekend toy.

Tell a lie, I wanted a motorbike but I dont know if my marriage would survive if I got one. hell I dont know if I would of remained in one piece if I had gone back to the bike. I could never resist racing anyone.

I started saving for a new mazda mx5 in March this year. I now have saved enough but could not part with all that cash for a new one which will sit in the garage most of the time. I dont like the old mazda mx5 shape car exept for the original with pop up headlights. I also wanted one with a manual roof.

I am now putting the rest of my money into a new fund and starting to save to replace my ageing 406 with the new Audi TT. Its great when your kids grow up and have their own cars.

And since I went wfp the money comes in a lot faster then it ever did trad w/c.

What do you drive?

Have you a car Squeaks? Or do you carry your ladders on a trolley or converted pram?

Nel.

[Sir Squeaky]

Oh dear, hope it's not crappy girly new MR2.

The old one was a proper blokes raw sports car, especially the import turbo models.
The new one is a feeble hairdressers runabout.

...and yes I've driven them both (and the mk1) before you start the usual lines.

[Ian_Giles]

stick to window cleaning please, and less of the insults about other peoples choice in cars Rog.
Sneering at people in that way is not allowed on the forum, others are also getting close to a rap on the knuckles for their tone too.

Ian

[Sir Squeaky]

Sneering at people in that way is not allowed on the forum, others are also getting close to a rap on the knuckles for their tone too.

Ian

Yeah sorry, that's precisely why it came about.

It's true though.