[Peter Fogwill]

The only thing that was missed was the top frame and what everyone seems to pick up on.  That's a personally thing and Paul for a reason he gave missed it out.  If he hadn't missed it out how long would it have added? 5 seconds?

Like Paul also says the window gets what it needs, just like traditional. Sometimes you may have to concentrate on a certain bit of glass due to finger prints or whatever but you suss that out while approaching the glass.  A mechanic doesn't renew every part in the car when the starter motor is broken, just like we can't clean every bit of glass as though it was covered in birds muck or sea salt.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

You get good and bad mechanics tho dont you Peter both not replacing everything but the job they do is totally different.
The top edge of the frame is the most important as this is the edge that collects all the dirt. If I advertised that I cleaned ALL your frames each time I called, thats exactly what I would and do give my customers.  I pick up so much work from window cleaners that I have seen with my own eyes who clean windows so quickly with water fed pole missing important parts and leaving the customer with a poor finish its amazing.
Anyway crack on you speed merchants.

[Peter Fogwill]

David my point was that whether or not the top frame was done is irrelevant as it would add 5 seconds or so to the time it took.  The ethics of cleaning the top frame is for a completely different post, and I deliberately never got into it here because its irrelevant to this post.

[paul13]

You get good and bad mechanics tho dont you Peter both not replacing everything but the job they do is totally different.
The top edge of the frame is the most important as this is the edge that collects all the dirt. If I advertised that I cleaned ALL your frames each time I called, thats exactly what I would and do give my customers.  I pick up so much work from window cleaners that I have seen with my own eyes who clean windows so quickly with water fed pole missing important parts and leaving the customer with a poor finish its amazing.
Anyway crack on you speed merchants.

So because some one is quicker than you the job isn't done right?
The top edge the most important, really?
I wasn't going fast that is my working speed I could go faster and leave
a perfect job, if you clean the tops every time good for you  ;)imo pointless.
Clean is clean is it not?

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast. 

[Peter Fogwill]

Technically the top frame stays much cleaner than the bottom frame as it's far more protected.  

[SeanK]

Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast. 

Yes Paul you need to raise your game, your getting twice as much work done as these guys and not loosing any customers.
What the hell are you thinking.

[Peter Fogwill]

Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast.  

There are always the doubters.  I have seen very slow window cleaners leave windows in a mess.  David you wouldn't be any competition for Paul because you would have to charge 3 times the amount Paul charges, for the same results

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

So technically mention should be made of the fact that you only clean the top edge of a frame once or twice a year when advertising for new work via websites etc. Correct?
Why compare speeds of cleaning when the original video cleans most of the frame (not the vent area if you notice) and Pauls video shows him cleaning from the top edge of the GLASS down over. Both videos DO NOT show a complete frame clean. IMO.
I AM NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYONE, just pointing out the different standards of cleaning.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast. 

Yes Paul you need to raise your game, your getting twice as much work done as these guys and not loosing any customers.
What the hell are you thinking.

Read some back posts Sean.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Thank you Peter, you have confirmed what I was thinking. We actually take twice as long but charge double what one of our fellow cleaners charges. The plus side is we never have any quality complaints and are building at a rapid pace. I rest my case.

[Peter Fogwill]

So technically mention should be made of the fact that you only clean the top edge of a frame once or twice a year when advertising for new work via websites etc. Correct?
Why compare speeds of cleaning when the original video cleans most of the frame (not the vent area if you notice) and Pauls video shows him cleaning from the top edge of the GLASS down over. Both videos DO NOT show a complete frame clean. IMO.
I AM NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYONE, just pointing out the different standards of cleaning.

How much work are you getting Dave due to the fact you advertise all the frames cleaned every time?  Would Paul be lying if he advertised frames cleaned? I wouldn't say so.  And aren't you getting the fact that had he done the top frame it would have added 5 seconds?

[Peter Fogwill]

I have always said as a rule window cleaners here and even in the USA make roughly the same hourly wage.  Now because here we are on the low end of the price per house we have to be fast.  We have to clean to the same standard but we have to be fast.  Now the thing that gets me is why does someone on the high end of the price range doesn't work like someone in the low end and make much more money, or work much less hours?  Instead they wish to think that they are much better window cleaners, and that the faster cleaners are not giving the customer the service they should.

[paul13]

Not pointless if you advertise you clean all the frame every visit! Do you advertise that Paul?
Sorry but you will not leave perfect results with your level of rinsing. Acceptable maybe, but not perfect. If you had some real competition I think you would need to raise your game. My opinion.
Glad you can work so fast. 

I do advertise I clean the frames every time and i do
but again clean is clean if there's no dirt there's no dirt if i approach a house and the top is dirty
 I clean it, as for competition there's plenty but my perfect results keep me ahead.
To be honest its not the first time we've had a complaint and I have went
round and the cust'y has said i'm not happy with the clean I ask why,
can you show me the issue and after checking every window and frame
and not finding anything they tell me we are to quick
which I reply in the nicest way possible if at any point your windows
are not clean we will redo them with in 24 hrs and say good bye.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

ALOT of work! We advertise that we clean ALL the frame, I actually highlight that on our leaflets, every time, so that is what we give the customer. We clean the garage door everytime too. If I said Zero to 3 full time vans in 3 years with a forth starting in May you would agree thats pretty rapid.
With regard to the top edge of the frame, IF only cleaned once or twice a year it WOULD take more than 5 seconds to retain good glass results on such an infrequency, certainly where I live. It may be different in your area. We dont have the luxury of fresh air here.  

[SeanK]

Thank you Peter, you have confirmed what I was thinking. We actually take twice as long but charge double what one of our fellow cleaners charges. The plus side is we never have any quality complaints and are building at a rapid pace. I rest my case.

David, I guarantee that I was the slowest and most o.c.d window cleaner on here at one time.
The fact was that I was the only one losing out and it doesn't matter what you charge.
If you take twice as long as needed then your losing out.
If the top of the frame looks clean then the customer isn't going to complain.
I tell the customers that their frames will be left clean not that I will clean them every time.
I cleaned my own home today in 5 mins just to see what they would look like, I'm not lying when I say that
at times I have spend half an hour cleaning them and the results were worse.

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Paul I think its all to do with area. We could not get away with missing the top of frames as even some of our weekly work sometimes is heavily soiled!    

[paul13]

ALOT of work! We advertise that we clean ALL the frame, I actually highlight that on our leaflets, every time, so that is what we give the customer. We clean the garage door everytime too. If I said Zero to 3 full time vans in 3 years with a forth starting in May you would agree thats pretty rapid.
With regard to the top edge of the frame, IF only cleaned once or twice a year it WOULD take more than 5 seconds to retain good glass results on such an infrequency, certainly where I live. It may be different in your area. We dont have the luxury of fresh air here.  

I agree area will make a difference, and a good cleaner can build rapid anywhere if
I wasn't thinking of going to aus and starting again I could be a lot bigger than i
am just now the brakes went on a while ago but if I don't go the competition
round my way will be in trouble

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Watch the dust on the top of the frames out in AUS! and the croc's

[paul13]

Watch the dust on the top of the frames out in AUS! and the croc's

Sharks, spiders,jelly fish
It defiantly has its down side