[pikeman]

Cheers paul

[oldman]

WOW...now that's quick.

What make backpack is that Paul? Is that on FULL flow?

If I ever get that quick, I'll be working half-day every day  .

It's a shurflo, but insides ripped out and I have put another
switch in wired straight to the pump, doing one for another windy
round our way can vid and show you if your interested.

Yup...I'd be interested in seeing a video on that Paul, nice one...cheers.

[trippyboy]

About same speed as me,if anything a wee bit faster than me. I would price that house at around £13 to £15 without conny. It took this bloke less than 2 mins for front.
Do the maths,even if you added on 1 min per side your looking at around £300 per day,anyone earning lower than £250 per day on residential needs to look at what actually they are doing wrong

[gary999]

Who and how close?

I'm in south lanarkshire.

Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
 when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be

[/quote]

Slightly quicker than myself,i use a backpack but sod wearing on back
i pick up put down by lid as needed.

On most 4 weekly maintenance cleans and especially on new builds
as long as i have a good flow i rarely rinse

[Dave Willis]

Yer, that's pretty quick but some of the glass looks like it's being missed at the bottom of the pane and in the corners. Fair enough if the glass is practically clean anyway but a lot of it is getting one brush stroke only. I can't clean like that at the moment I'm still scrubbing out spiders nests and scrubbing storm debris off. Once the snails wake up again things will be different too.

[Jonny 87]

I feel the same to be honest. I know if I cleaned my own windows like that the results would be too far from perfect for me.

Everywhere needs two passes with the brush, then a decent rinse.

Even when I've done that sometimes I can see spotting and marks, so if I just did one pass the results would be worse.

I've definitely learned from that video and in going to try test things out to speed up.

[paul13]

Yer, that's pretty quick but some of the glass looks like it's being missed at the bottom of the pane and in the corners. Fair enough if the glass is practically clean anyway but a lot of it is getting one brush stroke only. I can't clean like that at the moment I'm still scrubbing out spiders nests and scrubbing storm debris off. Once the snails wake up again things will be different too.

Hi Dave, there was no glass missed   that was a 4 weekly clean so glass
wouldn't be particularly dirty but as a rule of thumb 2 max 3 times longer on
first cleans, spiders nests takes a flick/swipe with the brush Imo, bird muck
for me is the only issue but a few taps of the brush usually takes care of that
if not leave to soak while doing the rest of the windows and return to it where 9/10
times it comes off with ease. Not sure about storm debris thankfully but did a new
estate where for months every time we went there was thick black soot over all windows
and frames we used to quickly go over all windows then go back over we found this the
 quickest way to clean it off.
The hardest thing is learning other people to work efficiently for example a guy
who was working with us not so long ago who was a good worker, fast, reliable,
he was keeping up with the other boys after a few weeks but  complaints were
coming thick and fast, I kept taking him through the process, telling him to slow down
but for what ever reason we kept getting complaints water marks, snail trails, webs ect.
He got another job and complaints stopped,  I think the most important thing is to check
window for snail trail, bird muck, webs ect before wetting window which takes 1-2 seconds
on approach sometimes you don't see these things while cleaning.  

[Jonny 87]

Yer, that's pretty quick but some of the glass looks like it's being missed at the bottom of the pane and in the corners. Fair enough if the glass is practically clean anyway but a lot of it is getting one brush stroke only. I can't clean like that at the moment I'm still scrubbing out spiders nests and scrubbing storm debris off. Once the snails wake up again things will be different too.

Hi Dave, there was no glass missed   that was a 4 weekly clean so glass
wouldn't be particularly dirty but as a rule of thumb 2 max 3 times longer on
first cleans, spiders nests takes a flick/swipe with the brush Imo, bird muck
for me is the only issue but a few taps of the brush usually takes care of that
if not leave to soak while doing the rest of the windows and return to it where 9/10
times it comes off with ease. Not sure about storm debris thankfully but did a new
estate where for months every time we went there was thick black soot over all windows
and frames we used to quickly go over all windows then go back over we found this the
 quickest way to clean it off.
The hardest thing is learning other people to work efficiently for example a guy
who was working with us not so long ago who was a good worker, fast, reliable,
he was keeping up with the other boys after a few weeks but  complaints were
coming thick and fast, I kept taking him through the process, telling him to slow down
but for what ever reason we kept getting complaints water marks, snail trails, webs ect.
He got another job and complaints stopped,  I think the most important thing is to check
window for snail trail, bird muck, webs ect before wetting window which takes 1-2 seconds
on approach sometimes you don't see these things while cleaning.  

Out of curiosity paul how many complaints do you get in general? Or lost customers?

I never get complaints. But I know that I do over clean windows, so I want to try and speed up.

[paul13]

I feel the same to be honest. I know if I cleaned my own windows like that the results would be too far from perfect for me.

Everywhere needs two passes with the brush, then a decent rinse.

Even when I've done that sometimes I can see spotting and marks, so if I just did one pass the results would be worse.

I've definitely learned from that video and in going to try test things out to speed up.

Not every window is the same some need 1,2,3,4 passes that's a decision you make at the
time if you notice in the vid I spend more time on the bottom right windows because they
needed it, a rinse is a rinse, clean is clean, Imo if you look at the glass and see anything that looks like
brush strokes there's a chance you will get water marks if you don't you won't.

[Jonny 87]

Good point that paul.

At the minute I use exactly the same technique for every pane of glass.

2 passes along the top edge
2 full scrubs of the whole pane
Scrub of the bottom edge
Then a good off the glass rinse.

It's a fool proof technique with great results. But I'm Sure I could do far less and get the same results.

[paul13]

Out of curiosity paul how many complaints do you get in general? Or lost customers?

I never get complaints. But I know that I do over clean windows, so I want to try and speed up.
[/quote]

Complaints come generally when a new guy comes out, it was me and two established
guys for a few months there and had no complaints, I always aim for no complaints
but feel its how you deal with them that counts don't be so cautious/slow to not
get complaints just make sure you deal with them efficiently.
If we get more than two complaints a week i'm not happy and find taking the boys
back a must to find out what went wrong works well.
If its me who's messed up I keep it to myself
we always pick up more custy's than lost .

[paul13]

Good point that paul.

At the minute I use exactly the same technique for every pane of glass.

2 passes along the top edge
2 full scrubs of the whole pane
Scrub of the bottom edge
Then a good off the glass rinse.

It's a fool proof technique with great results. But I'm Sure I could do far less and get the same results.

You could, the rinsing off the glass every time will be costing you loads
only when the window beads Imo is this necessary.
The top edge will cost you too, to be honest I keep away from the top/vent
unless I can see they need cleaned which I find is only once or twice a year
depending on circumstances, obviously don't wait and do them all at once
spread them out through the year some never get dirty.

[SeanK]

I work in a similar way myself Paul, cant understand why some people think you need gallons of water coming
out of the hose like a power washer to clean a window but each to their own.
Do you find carrying that backpack around all day is hard on your back ?
The reason I ask is I'm sick of winding hoses in and out plus having them snag on everything going.
Could I also ask what type of brush where you using.
Great job.

[paul13]

I work in a similar way myself Paul, cant understand why some people think you need gallons of water coming
out of the hose like a power washer to clean a window but each to their own.
Do you find carrying that backpack around all day is hard on your back ?
The reason I ask is I'm sick of winding hoses in and out plus having them snag on everything going.
Could I also ask what type of brush where you using.
Great job.

Hi Sean, Thanks, I have never had a problem with the backpack, the guys
who work with me are a good few stone lighter than me 10/11 stone and
they have the option to use backpack or trolley but choose b/p every time
we have had big guys out who couldn't hack it but i find if they last 2/3 weeks
they prefer b/p, as for the brush gardiners sill.

[SeanK]

Paul, thanks for the reply think ill invest in one.

[Ben wood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQaWr7Td-Uc

There you go, this is me cleaning a bungalow conservatory that backs on to the sea front.

Don't pull me pants down  and spank me lol.

[Peter Fogwill]

Yes Paul it was you I was thinking of, and thought you might offer, thanks.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

Who and how close?

I'm in south lanarkshire.

Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
 when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be

[/quote]

Doesn't look to me like anyone is bursting a blood vessel and running about like a loony:)  2 minutes for the front of that house and that looks like a 3-4 bed detached not even a 3 bed semi that we usually talk about.  Even if Paul deliberately slowed right down he would still easily do a 3 bed semi in 5 minutes.  People may be happy with the money they earn but what's the point in being out double the time working? Or earning half the money they could be in the same amount of time?  We work to live, not live to work.

Peter

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

You will alaways be slower than the video of Paul if you are cleaning all the frame as well as the window. The top edge of the frames was not touched in that video, where I am based you can see a visible layer of dirt even on a 4 weekly clean on the top edge of the upvc. Each to there own. Nice to see some videos for a change. 

[Jonny 87]

Who and how close?

I'm in south lanarkshire.

Think peter might be talking about me, I bought my first wfp set up of peter
and haven't looked back learned every thing of him and over the years
have set up what best suits me, I don't really care if I'm faster than anyone
else every ones got there own pace, age being a big factor there are a lot of
ways to improve earning which is what its all about for me.
I work with 40 25l barrels back packs for domestics and peter's trolley for
commercial my dad (who's 60) has trolley.
I use peters trolley to carry two barrels and have 20l in backpack
 when I leave the van I have 70l of water roughly all in.
I would be happy to show anyone how we worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXV1zhmVao&feature=youtu.be

Doesn't look to me like anyone is bursting a blood vessel and running about like a loony:)  2 minutes for the front of that house and that looks like a 3-4 bed detached not even a 3 bed semi that we usually talk about.  Even if Paul deliberately slowed right down he would still easily do a 3 bed semi in 5 minutes.  People may be happy with the money they earn but what's the point in being out double the time working? Or earning half the money they could be in the same amount of time?  We work to live, not live to work.

Peter
[/quote]

Thanks Peter. 

It's just a quality issue for me. Every window I do, I always do the top frame every clean. That way after a few cleans you can guarantee no dirty runs etc, and guarantees a good job.

I'm going to need to do some testing on different windows to see just how quick I can work and achieve good results.

I've always been a firm believer that the most important part of the technique is the final rinse, every time you brush upwards on the glass you are pushing dirt up too, so you need the final rinse to flush everything down. (Or so I've always believed) 

Possibly Back to the drawing board for me.