[dazmond]

i truly think richy is a bit bonkers and a bad business man!!.......but entertaining!!!

talk about overcomplicating a simple business!!!

all speculative,high overheads and very little profit.

time for a rethink!!but you never listen to any of us anyway richy!!!

i think your a car crash waiting to happen mate.


dont take it the wrong way richy......just my opinion.


regards


dazmond

[colley614]

lol talking in riddles now .. never known such a complicated setup, i remember ages ago you said you don't really like cleaning windows so your obviously gna have to keep him and pay him 100 quid a day or what ever if you don't like doing it


what happened to this shop u was setting up?

Hello Dave how are you bud? You still on the glass mate?

[colley614]

Rich, seriously mate what you need to do is sit down and work out a) your total income. b) your total expenditure. Then deduct b for a. Then you will have c) your total gross profit. You know the old saying turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. Your profit is the only important figure in all of this. Thats the figure that feeds your missus and kids mate. If you don't already know this then working it at as soon as possible will put you in a more positive frame of mind. If you aren't turning a profit then you need to work out how you can lower your expenditure. Lately I have got my monthly personal expenditure down from about £1300 down to about £800. My wife is using her wage to take some of that outgoing from me for a few months so I can start up.

I wouldn't come on here and discuss your turnover mate. I don't even discuss mine with THE Missus

[rosskesava]

An employee brings in £200-£300 a day? Everyday?

Having been an employer/contractor, yeah right. Pigs fly over the moon each night aslo.

[colley614]

An employee brings in £200-£300 a day? Everyday?

Having been an employer/contractor, yeah right. Pigs fly over the moon each night aslo.

What makes you say that Ross?

[Richard iSparkle]

i;ve had this happen to me a couple of times richy. never let yourself think someone cant be replaced.  there's always someone better out there.

Your WC is trying to hold you to ransom here to get more money.  £18000 is a fantastic wage for a WC.  The only answer you can give him is... £18000 is what I have worked out the business can afford to pay you.  if you believe you can get a better wage elsewhere then you should think about leaving.

you can never let a staff member hold you to ransom like that.  after all you've been through you would hope for more loyalty.  and its a massive recession as well.  i;ve told my staff nobody is getting a pay rise until the recession is over.

its a doddle to replace a window cleaner.  you can train a guy up in 4 weeks flat to hit the targets your current man is, and you can pay him minimum wage, and you can start with a clean sheet with him too.

for a staff member to believe they should have 33% of the daily takings is insane.

[Steve CM]

An employee brings in £200-£300 a day? Everyday?

Having been an employer/contractor, yeah right. Pigs fly over the moon each night aslo.

It wouldn't be worth employing if they didnt

[H S and Son]

Who on here does £200-£300 a day, everyday?

Not one single person will.

[Frankybadboy]

Who on here does £200-£300 a day, everyday?

Not one single person will.

you dont 

[Londoner]

18k a year is sod all, if i was he i would leave set up on my own and take as many custys as i could get with me

EXACTLY!  £18K is not enough to keep anyone with half a brain. The national average wage is £26K.

[CLEANCARE WC]

did you pay VAT? No? who cooks your books for you Richy?

No I haven't paid vat coz start of tax year beginning April 2010 I didn't turnover massive amounts of money, and I've had weeks after break in etc where didn't work, plus we lost a 3 grand debt list when computer stolen so I know il be under it for this last year.

When I talk in value of work it's not what's been cleaned what I forecast to turnover over next 12 months

That's reads wrong the forecast is from the six weekly work I have times by 8.5 cleans a year,at minute I prob have just over 7.5 grands worth of work every 6 weeks

Richy this is only £1250 a week. CALL HIS BLUFF, KEEP OR GET RID AND GET IN THE VAN YOURSELF.

Its £250 a day 5 days a week or £300 4 days aweek. We are coming into the better weather now, do your own round for 3 months and then make a decision. Seriously mate Get out on the tools again its what 99% of the rest of us do.

[H S and Son]

Who on here does £200-£300 a day, everyday?

Not one single person will.

you dont 

[CLEANCARE WC]

18k a year is sod all, if i was he i would leave set up on my own and take as many custys as i could get with me

EXACTLY!  £18K is not enough to keep anyone with half a brain. The national average wage is £26K.

come on averages mean nothing that takes all the mega money wages into consideration which tops up the lower incomes its a load of rubbish.

[david willis]

Richy,

From all of this it does seem to the outsider that you don't have a clear idea on how your business is trading. Like colley said, you really need to sit down and work out your true figures.

Before you can estimate what your guy is worth to you, you need to have a costing spreadsheet which outlines all overheads (include 18K wage) and all income, this will allow you to get an idea of your profit.

You also need to be clear what you want to achieve and make this realistic, focus on what business you currently have and how this can be run efficiently and profitable. You really need to stop with the million different ideas you have and concentrate all of your thinking time in to this. Then when you are happy the business model is working and you are making profit with good staff and low levels of staff turnover, you can mess about with other ideas.

All of the time spent on this post alone by yourself could have been spent by you sitting down and getting a real understanding of your business. You need a business plan, I would suggest that you get an outside eye to look in at your business and help you to see things clearer. Sometimes there is nothing better than an outsiders view.

I would suggest you contact your local business link or similar and explain you need a business mentor to help you.

Hope this helps

[Dave Willis]

Qualified electrician = £18000 for my son. 

[Londoner]

18k a year is sod all, if i was he i would leave set up on my own and take as many custys as i could get with me

EXACTLY!  £18K is not enough to keep anyone with half a brain. The national average wage is £26K.

come on averages mean nothing that takes all the mega money wages into consideration which tops up the lower incomes its a load of rubbish.

£18K is £350 a week and he will clearly know how much he is making for his employer. How long does it take for the penny to drop? Then he will be off.
£350 is not a realistic wage to pay. Its not even £10 an hour. My wife earns £14.68 an hour as an admin assistant in the NHS. All she has to do is answer the phones in a nice warm office, plus holiday pay and a pension.

I believe that if you think you will keep a good man on less than ten pounds an hour you are only fooling yourself. Even the little Polish girls charge £12 an hour as cleaners.

[Window Washers]

18k a year is sod all, if i was he i would leave set up on my own and take as many custys as i could get with me

EXACTLY!  £18K is not enough to keep anyone with half a brain. The national average wage is £26K.

on what planet is this average wage, because it is not in the UK.

 My wife went to uni for 4 years and doesnt get that amount yet in second year of working, so maybe looking at wild figures from people that survery the rich is not the best place to look for real figures

[gary999]

this is entertaining but there is definately a smell of poope in the air

[John F]

Wats tumbleweed??

[Alistair@AWC]

Richy,

Your paying him £70 per day to clean £260 as it is, he wants a third of turnover which would increase his wage to £86 per day!

If you were to pay this but also tell him -

Down days due to equipment or van failure = No Pay
Sickness = No Pay
Holidays = No Pay

It wouldn't be that bad a deal for you BUT the fact he is demanding this would stop me from agreeing to it because if you give in to this I guarantee he'll be back in a few months with new demands.

Tell him its £18k or the dole and don't go down the road of explaining your overheads to him, its none of his business its yours!