[stuart mc]

How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.

ah come on griff, take him home tell him to have a sleep and discuss it later, he thinks cool, gets some needed head down time, you go round later and sack him when he is sober, or whatever you decide last warning whatever, he made the effort to get to work wrongly so he values his job, he would probably accept that thinking he has a choice, even if you do phone the police and he gets done, there is nothing in this world will stop him driving if he really wanted to

[CLEANCARE WC]

TO BE FAIR TO WOODY (WHO I AGREE WITH) ON THE CANNABIS THREAD HE SAID HE USED TO GET STONED THEN WORK.

IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A HYPOCRITE. IF HE WAS DRINK OR DRUNK DRIVING IT WOULD.

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS GETTING SO MUCH FLACK.

[stuart mc]

  I am not giving him stick, he can do what he wants, but why put a post up if you don''t want to know how others would deal with it, I just found the fact he did drugs and has no sympathy for a drinker a bit ironic, as it stands a three week trial employee I would probably sack as well

[G Griffin]

How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.

ah come on griff, take him home tell him to have a sleep and discuss it later, he thinks cool, gets some needed head down time, you go round later and sack him when he is sober, or whatever you decide last warning whatever, he made the effort to get to work wrongly so he values his job, he would probably accept that thinking he has a choice, even if you do phone the police and he gets done, there is nothing in this world will stop him driving if he really wanted to

I know, Stu. I'd have probably give him a lift home and then dealt with later.
But I'm just going through possible scenarios. He could have just got in his car/van before you realised. He could have come back and driven it after you'd taken him home, still drunk etc etc. Sometimes you have to let the police deal with things.
We don't know exactly how it happened, so it's hard to crtiticise someone for calling the police  .

[stuart mc]

How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.

ah come on griff, take him home tell him to have a sleep and discuss it later, he thinks cool, gets some needed head down time, you go round later and sack him when he is sober, or whatever you decide last warning whatever, he made the effort to get to work wrongly so he values his job, he would probably accept that thinking he has a choice, even if you do phone the police and he gets done, there is nothing in this world will stop him driving if he really wanted to

I know, Stu. I'd have probably give him a lift home and then dealt with later.
But I'm just going through possible scenarios. He could have just got in his car/van before you realised. He could have come back and driven it after you'd taken him home, still drunk etc etc. Sometimes you have to let the police deal with things.
We don't know exactly how it happened, so it's hard to crtiticise someone for calling the police  .

yes you are right, everyone has to make decisions there and then so I will back down, nothing is right or wrong just the way it is

[gary999]

feck me! five pages of going round in circles

far as im concerned he potentially saved some ones life
and it would give me great pleasure personally if the guy
was banned from driving for life

it may sound harsh but like i posted before my family
has been on the recieving end of morons like this

lets all make crummy excuses for a adult who nows the
score but obviously couldnt careless about anybody else
when he got behind the wheel of the vehicle.

really pes me off!

[Paul Coleman]

I think there is a few who don't realise how drink and how long it takes to leave the body, if the guy has been on a session for a few days, it is the holidays it would be easy for him to be maybe even 10 times the limit after going to bed and with the liver only being able to process 1 unit of alcohol per hour then easily be 4 times the limit in the morning without realising it, I didn't know all this years ago but I do now, that is why I would give the lad a chance if all was ok before, but I would make sure he was educated fully on how drink works, and no I wouldn't have let him drive home I would have driven him home and then had a long hard think on how to proceed, then went and seen him that evening or something along those lines, at this point when he was sober and I was calm I would then decide what to do. and he would be on his very last warning from that moment on.

Another issue is that if he has had a lengthy problem and has a damaged liver, or has some other liver disease of which he's not yet aware (such as hep-c), his liver would be processing the alcohol at a much slower rate.

[Small but perfectley formed]

Let him who his without sin cast the first stone.
Ok do what you gotta but why make it a topic on a forum ?

[bobby p]

id not av rang the police , mainly as iv found that once they know of you they have u in mind for stopping you .  i got breathalyzed several times and hounded too ,after once being done for not wearing a seatbelt,once youre on the books its hard to get off .

[dazmond]

right im gonna be honest now.i was drink driving for 15 years.i passed my test at 17 and was seeing a girl who lived a fair way away from me.i used to swig a bottle of vodka while driving on the motorway.i was nervous about driving on the motorway and meeting girl.i didnt give a toss.never had an accident.i used to be out of my mind on various different drugs as well.mainly LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,weed,speed and i use to sniff lighter fuel(but not while driving!).

landlords used to take car keys off me.been banned for drink/driving etc.loads of driving convictions.i used to get chased off the police.lots of trouble! .

im not proud of it. i was very lucky to not have killed someone.i was one sick puppy for years.im telling you now.if your 4 times over the limit in the morning you ve got a problem!!!

i wouldnt hesitate to phone the police and sack him.might be the best thing that happens to him.i bet he s done it loads of times.

regards


dazmond

[Paul Coleman]

right im gonna be honest now.i was drink driving for 15 years.i passed my test at 17 and was seeing a girl who lived a fair way away from me.i used to swig a bottle of vodka while driving on the motorway.i was nervous about driving on the motorway and meeting girl.i didnt give a toss.never had an accident.i used to be out of my mind on various different drugs as well.mainly LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,weed,speed and i use to sniff lighter fuel(but not while driving!).

landlords used to take car keys off me.been banned for drink/driving etc.loads of driving convictions.i used to get chased off the police.lots of trouble! .

im not proud of it. i was very lucky to not have killed someone.i was one sick puppy for years.im telling you now.if your 4 times over the limit in the morning you ve got a problem!!!

i wouldnt hesitate to phone the police and sack him.might be the best thing that happens to him.i bet he s done it loads of times.

regards


dazmond

It is difficult to imagine 4x limit in the morning as not being a problem isn't it?  I suppose it is technically possible that someone could just be a "normal" drinker, go on a massive bender, then still be 4x limit in the morning due to metabolic absorption.  Possible - but pretty unlikely.  Forcing him to face the consequences of his actions may do him a big favour in the longer term.  It could even be that he is a binge drinker.  That is alcoholism too - though it doesn't meet most people's stereotype.  In many ways it's worse than a "top-up" drunk as a binge drinker will often wreak more havoc than a top-up drinker.
I never was a drink/drug driver myself.  It seemed to me that cars were a waste of money when I could just get smashed instead.  Indeed, apart from an old crate that fell to bits within a month, I never had a car until my early 30s - after I got into recovery.  When I had that old crate, I still had some semblance of control so abstained when driving.
I would have reservations about involving the police but that's more about my own ancient history than the situation mentioned in this thread.

[Nameless Drudge]

I`m not convinced that the "call the police,hang him,ban him forever" brigade would be as keen for summary justice if instead of an on trial low life employed window cleaner being in the car it was their wife/favourite niece.

In fact i am pretty damn sure.

[rscleaningservices]

theres peeps who agree and peeps who dont !!!!!mmmmmm theres only one way  to find out !!!! yes you got it FIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!

[pristine window cl]

Jeeeeesus,
ive heard it all now , Daz and others, I am poop scared of you now,


I would have WARNED him , that if he got BACK in his car, I would then call the police.
But, that would have been, AFTER I HAD sacked him.
I have said before some of the vans, cars I hear about on this forum, makes me think DEEAATH TRAAAAP!
Thats without thinking their ped to.
Window cleaners eh, who would of thought it.

[ashbash]

hes took the mick. turned up to work sozzled with a bad attitude. i wouldnt be in a hurry to do him a favour. how many problems would you have incured if he got his own way and worked with you that day. loss of customers. possible injury claim to deal with. people like that need STOPPING AND GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PROBLEM. if you took the keys sounds like he would of only done it next week. good on you for having the balls to deal with the problem.

[dazmond]

nobody said window cleaners were angels or whiter than white!!!

[charlie2]

yes i would of sacked him too. lost my dad to a drink driver. wish i had got my hands on the bas... all very well saying he didnt run anybody over...if he drove he might of

[Steve CM]

If my bother was a girl he'd be my sister.

[barry mallett]

i once drove from leeds to calais after dropping 3 strawberries and a pink panther . without leaving the sofa 

[Richard iSparkle]

right im gonna be honest now.i was drink driving for 15 years.i passed my test at 17 and was seeing a girl who lived a fair way away from me.i used to swig a bottle of vodka while driving on the motorway.i was nervous about driving on the motorway and meeting girl.i didnt give a toss.never had an accident.i used to be out of my mind on various different drugs as well.mainly LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,weed,speed and i use to sniff lighter fuel(but not while driving!).

landlords used to take car keys off me.been banned for drink/driving etc.loads of driving convictions.i used to get chased off the police.lots of trouble! .

im not proud of it. i was very lucky to not have killed someone.i was one sick puppy for years.im telling you now.if your 4 times over the limit in the morning you ve got a problem!!!

i wouldnt hesitate to phone the police and sack him.might be the best thing that happens to him.i bet he s done it loads of times.

regards


dazmond