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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: supernova77 on May 09, 2014, 06:51:56 pm
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Is out..!
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Would anyone care to explain this dude please. I am guessing he sold drugs and got caught?
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Is out..!
can you confirm??
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Would anyone care to explain this dude please. I am guessing he sold drugs and got caught?
Nope.... he got caught before he sold em ;D
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Would anyone care to explain this dude please. I am guessing he sold drugs and got caught?
Yeah, he was a prolific poster and seemed to live his life out in posts.
Seemed a good lad.
Perhaps he'll come back to a life on the glass, well, forum.
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can you confirm??
He's posting on Facebook.
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Drug dealer goes to jail and is released early....
Prior to going to jail the drug dealer ran a window cleaning business that could not have made a profit.....
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What happened to Window Clean Direct? Did someone buy the work? I remember some guy coming on here saying he was going to buy it... think he was an ex-employee or something...
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I'm back on home leave my friends been running the business which is now setup as a limited company
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I'm back on home leave my friends been running the business which is now setup as a limited company
No place like home! ...Good luck for the future
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Cheers alfie
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Where you been Ritchie?
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Yeah Richy, how did your groupon thingymabob go....
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Hmp stoke Heath for 11 months used it to my advantage lost three stone in weight, had time to reflect on life and read a lot, my ex girlfriend who I had trouble with died while I was away so quite a lots gone on
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Group on was a nightmare not even sure if we got payed in the end coz I went away
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Stoke Heath ;D Was a YOI in the late 90's, rum place it was. Was you working down the mannies? ;D
Good luck for the future.
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Hmp stoke Heath for 11 months used it to my advantage lost three stone in weight, had time to reflect on life and read a lot, my ex girlfriend who I had trouble with died while I was away so quite a lots gone on
fair play mate, we all make mistakes good luck for the future and maybe just concentrate on legal things ;D
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Stoke Heath ;D Was a YOI in the late 90's, rum place it was. Was you working down the mannies? ;D
Good luck for the future.
No didn't work down there except industrial cleaning course i did in their I was playing footy three times a week and playing for the prison team in local Saturday league
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Good luck with he future but don't go dealing any drugs in thee future. For that you're a numpty but we all screw up; it's whether you've learnt.
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Good luck rich . good to see you back on the forum ..
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Good luck rich . good to see you back on the forum ..
ere there is a guy with your name on the MOT forum.. :o :o
;D
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To the point. What state is your company in now then. Has progress or gone down the pan mate. Good luck in the future.
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It's gone right back to back to basics my friends overseeing it and has two lads going out full time on self employed basis as my friend also has a building company so they work for him too labouring etc
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You were an idiot, but you have been rightly punished. You have made a mistake, but your slate is now clean. We all make errors, though you know yours was a bad one.
As I said, it's time to start again. All the very best of luck for the future mate.
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Stoke Heath ;D Was a YOI in the late 90's, rum place it was. Was you working down the mannies? ;D
Good luck for the future.
No didn't work down there except industrial cleaning course i did in their I was playing footy three times a week and playing for the prison team in local Saturday league
Football league ?
Is this a prison or a holiday camp.
;D
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You were an idiot, but you have been rightly punished. You have made a mistake, but your slate is now clean. We all make errors, though you know yours was a bad one.
As I said, it's time to start again. All the very best of luck for the future mate.
+1
but still don't have sympathy for this guy, what he did is unforgivable IMO
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Stoke Heath ;D Was a YOI in the late 90's, rum place it was. Was you working down the mannies? ;D
Good luck for the future.
No didn't work down there except industrial cleaning course i did in their I was playing footy three times a week and playing for the prison team in local Saturday league
Football league ?
Is this a prison or a holiday camp.
;D
It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
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Welcome back. When will you be allowed to get back to it?
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It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
You sound like my teenage daughter when she thinks she's got one-up because her punishment wasn't severe enough. **Hands on hips and pouty lips** "Well I don't really care!"
You've had your liberty withheld; isn't that enough? Would there be much point in making you smash rocks? Society really shouldn't want to turn out disgruntled ex-convicts back into society looking for revenge against it. Society just wants law abiding productive members.
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You were an idiot, but you have been rightly punished. You have made a mistake, but your slate is now clean. We all make errors, though you know yours was a bad one.
As I said, it's time to start again. All the very best of luck for the future mate.
+1
but still don't have sympathy for this guy, what he did is unforgivable IMO
Least your not bitter. ::)roll
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It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
You sound like my teenage daughter when she thinks she's got one-up because her punishment wasn't severe enough. **Hands on hips and pouty lips** "Well I don't really care!"
You've had your liberty withheld; isn't that enough? Would there be much point in making you smash rocks? Society really shouldn't want to turn out disgruntled ex-convicts back into society looking for revenge against it. Society just wants law abiding productive members.
That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
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It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
You sound like my teenage daughter when she thinks she's got one-up because her punishment wasn't severe enough. **Hands on hips and pouty lips** "Well I don't really care!"
You've had your liberty withheld; isn't that enough? Would there be much point in making you smash rocks? Society really shouldn't want to turn out disgruntled ex-convicts back into society looking for revenge against it. Society just wants law abiding productive members.
That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
That's why you are a window cleaner and not running the country. ;D
I wouldn't fancy being in an American prison, but the have one of the worst crime rates in the world.
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It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
You sound like my teenage daughter when she thinks she's got one-up because her punishment wasn't severe enough. **Hands on hips and pouty lips** "Well I don't really care!"
You've had your liberty withheld; isn't that enough? Would there be much point in making you smash rocks? Society really shouldn't want to turn out disgruntled ex-convicts back into society looking for revenge against it. Society just wants law abiding productive members.
That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
That's why you are a window cleaner and not running the country. ;D
I wouldn't fancy being in an American prison, but the have one of the worst crime rates in the world.
American prisons are no different. Gangs remain the same on the inside as outside, not much of a deterrent for them.
Serious punishment is the only way!!
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I see you said you lost 3 stone whilst inside. Is that from crappy diet or exercise or what?
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He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹
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Well fair play for coming back on the forum.
Everyone deserves a second chance.
Mean machine mean machine mean machine.
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It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
You sound like my teenage daughter when she thinks she's got one-up because her punishment wasn't severe enough. **Hands on hips and pouty lips** "Well I don't really care!"
You've had your liberty withheld; isn't that enough? Would there be much point in making you smash rocks? Society really shouldn't want to turn out disgruntled ex-convicts back into society looking for revenge against it. Society just wants law abiding productive members.
Tosh I would have preferred tougher punishment I deserve it at the end of the day I think the prison system is a joke, I did have my liberty withheld that's about it it's really not a hard life in there. There was no courses to take to stop me reoffending or to nail down facts etc of what drug dealing does to society.ive taken my sentence positively tho I've knuckled down and trimmed up a lot,read loads of self help books and business books tried to do as many educational courses as I could even tho they're very basic level tried to get on a open university course but sentence too short, to keep occupied as u all know I was suffering a lot with depression etc so I'm mentally and physically in a better way with the hope of being 100%'focussed on rebuilding the business which I never really was due to the drug dealing I never intended to do it as long as I did but a lot of things happened etc and I kept having to keep it going
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For your info Richy the word association thread http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=147633.0
and jokes thread http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=97611.0 which were started before you were at her majesty's are still on the go. We felt it only right that you should come out with some sort of familiarity with which you might be able to bond with.
We're mobile phones invented before you went in. Have you heard of google? Tommy Cooper died and Southampton won the FA Cup, at the previous Wembley stadium.
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Eating as healthy as I could, done loads of cardio,then weights for few months then began insanity for last 9 weeks cut out all crap carbs ate loads of tuna and eggs lost most of it in 5-6'months it's got hard now tho to shift last half stone but that insanity DVD is really good
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So are you going to carry on where you left off with the cleaning?
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Yeah my friends setup a building company too to run alongside doing block paving fencing, UPC guttering plastering and roofing which is really busy so I'm not quite sure what plan is yet whether to keep windows small and steady or grow it again lot more competition around now it works well with the windows get a lot of work off the customers
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Richy sorry to hear about your girlfriend, how is your daughter doing
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Keep it simple to start with. Get your feet back on the ground. Don't run before you can walk. You tried that before in my opinion.
You may find people round your way have big mouths after what's happened. Uneducated window cleaners like to bad mouth.
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She's fine bob she didn't know her anyway luckily il pop and see u on monday
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We ain't lost many to others bit of undercutting etc but they've been replaced need new vans etc too so got some big decisions to make hen I get out
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She's fine bob she didn't know her anyway luckily il pop and see u on monday
you back in your mums
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
Er, crime is dropping. Pretty drastically.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg.html)
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Tell me to mind my own but can I ask what exactly you got done for Richy?
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It's a joke mate seriously it's like a holiday camp
You sound like my teenage daughter when she thinks she's got one-up because her punishment wasn't severe enough. **Hands on hips and pouty lips** "Well I don't really care!"
You've had your liberty withheld; isn't that enough? Would there be much point in making you smash rocks? Society really shouldn't want to turn out disgruntled ex-convicts back into society looking for revenge against it. Society just wants law abiding productive members.
That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
That's why you are a window cleaner and not running the country. ;D
I wouldn't fancy being in an American prison, but the have one of the worst crime rates in the world.
American prisons are no different. Gangs remain the same on the inside as outside, not much of a deterrent for them.
Serious punishment is the only way!!
Sharia law it is then.
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Tell me to mind my own but can I ask what exactly you got done for Richy?
Flooding his lock-up and leaving his laptop unattended so it got nicked ;D
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Think you may be better off as a one man band Richy.
£80k is not a bad wage.
From what I remember, you ended up stressed/depressed/angry with your lads as much as anything.
On your own (or sub every now and then) least it's only you you need to worry about.
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Tell me to mind my own but can I ask what exactly you got done for Richy?
Flooding his lock-up and leaving his laptop unattended so it got nicked ;D
Lol. No, I meant as in supplying 15kg cocaine to a copper disguised as a punter or 15g to a raver while a copper looked on...
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Wouldnt have thought it'd be a hugely serious offence if your on release after 11months?(not that i'm making light of any sort of drug dealing)
Good luck getting back into society, hopefully you'll stick to the straight and narrow...
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It wasnt a lot 19 Grams I think
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It wasnt a lot 19 Grams I think
But how did you get busted?
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Good to see you back on the forum Richy have missed your posts ;D.
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My ex girlfriend turned back into a raving alcoholic she was ringing crimes toppers etc on me so think they had information I was involved in supply of drugs and I got pulled over one sat nite with stuff on me, then they found more at my house
They took all my money, weeks takings from work including cheques which I still had on me due to staff member crashing van day before
We live and learn I know people call drug dealers etc scumbags etc but when you socialise in them sort of circles in doesn't seem as bad as others see it till you step back and see so I have been living with blinkers on
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I don't think I've got the personality and assertiveness to be a manager really I'm very laid back but my friend ste whose been running it is more hands on take no poop so we work well together
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I see you said you lost 3 stone whilst inside. Is that from crappy diet or exercise or what?
Trying to impress "Leroy" his cellmate....
;) ;D
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
Er, crime is dropping. Pretty drastically.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg.html)
It's pretty much the same as it was in 1981!! not much progress there then eh?
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but when you socialise in them sort of circles in doesn't seem as bad as others see it till you step back and see so I have been living with blinkers on
Better change your friends Richy.
If you frequent a brothel often enough eventually you'll get what you went for.
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
Er, crime is dropping. Pretty drastically.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg.html)
It's pretty much the same as it was in 1981!! not much progress there then eh?
So you can look at that graph and say that crime isn't dropping? Well done you.
Vin
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment! Loss of liberty alone is no longer a punishment in this wider society of today. If prison was the last place on earth anyone would want to go to & for good reason you would see crime drop from all but the most desperate of examples!
Er, crime is dropping. Pretty drastically.
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q797/Onionman9999/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Onionman9999/media/Crimerate_zps3c0d3e1e.jpg.html)
It's pretty much the same as it was in 1981!! not much progress there then eh?
So you can look at that graph and say that crime isn't dropping? Well done you.
Vin
Graphs will go up & down. Can you look at that graph & tell me that much has changed since 1981 in overall reported crime figures clever cloggs?? ::)roll
So, in the last 30 odd years there has been virtually no improvement in overall reported crime figures. So, where has this softly, softly approach got us 30 odd years down the line? Nowhere, in fact, it got MUCH worse before it got back to where it was to begin with- NO progress!
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"Is dropping". Present tense.
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"Is dropping". Present tense.
Is no progress 30 odd years down the line no progress 30 odd years down the line? Or, do you see a decline from a peak back down to where it was 30 odd years ago as 30 odd years worth of good crime prevention policies?
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Crime is dropping and has been since it peaked in 1995. Spin it as you wish.
Vin
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Crime is dropping and has been since it peaked in 1995. Spin it as you wish.
Vin
Not me that's spinning, it's there in black & white. It went up between 2005 to 2007, up again between 2008 to 2009 & again between 10/11.
It went up, it came back down but we remain as we were donkey's ago- FACT!
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Ever thought of working for Alex Salmond Vin?? :P
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
Countries like the US, technically have capital punishment in some states.
But how often is it used? Rarely in reality.
Countries like UAE have laws where they chop your hands off for stealing.
I wonder what the figures are for theft over there?
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Countries like the US, technically have capital punishment in some states.
But how often is it used? Rarely in reality.
Are you basing this on your feelings or do you know the facts?
The US also has a harsh prison system, really harsh in some states; and still there's no corroborating difference in crime statistics with states with less harsh prison systems.
On Bastoy prison island in Norway, the prisoners, some of whom are murderers and rapists, live in conditions that critics brand 'cushy' and 'luxurious'. Yet it has by far the lowest reoffending rate in Europe
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people
Simple minded people like simple minded solutions but in reality, things are more complex than they first appear.
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Countries like the US, technically have capital punishment in some states.
But how often is it used? Rarely in reality.
Are you basing this on your feelings or do you know the facts?
Tbh, based on what I've seen in documentaries. Maybe 4 or 5 different ones.
This topic really interests me because I am very pro extremely harsh sentencing and punishments for some and education for others.
In reality, an idea that would be nigh on impossible to implicate fairly.
The US also has a harsh prison system, really harsh in some states; and still there's no corroborating difference in crime statistics with states with less harsh prison systems.
On Bastoy prison island in Norway, the prisoners, some of whom are murderers and rapists, live in conditions that critics brand 'cushy' and 'luxurious'. Yet it has by far the lowest reoffending rate in Europe
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people
Simple minded people like simple minded solutions but in reality, things are more complex than they first appear.
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A graph of recorded crime rates on it's own and without any detailed explanation of how those figures were obtained is pretty much meaningless.
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A graph of recorded crime rates on it's own and without any detailed explanation of how those figures were obtained is pretty much meaningless.
I disagree, it serves to give an indication that reported crime is falling, which may infer that actual crime rates are falling.
Here's some more info if you're interested:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales
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A graph of recorded crime rates on it's own and without any detailed explanation of how those figures were obtained is pretty much meaningless.
I disagree, it serves to give an indication that reported crime is falling, which may infer that actual crime rates are falling.
Here's some more info if you're interested:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales
The collecting criteria may have changed though.
In 30 years it will have, without a doubt.
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A graph of recorded crime rates on it's own and without any detailed explanation of how those figures were obtained is pretty much meaningless.
OK, here you go - and it's a more updated version of the graph on page 6 but there are another 131 pages detailing how the stats were created. Tell me what you think once you've read it all. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_360216.pdf
Oh, and it shows that crime is (I use "is" as in currently, the present tense, the way most people use it) dropping.
Vin
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The collecting criteria may have changed though.
In 30 years it will have, without a doubt.
Has it occurred to you that the changes (detailed in the graph) might make the decline look smaller than it is? Not saying they do, just that it's entirely possible. Your argument runs both ways.
Vin
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The collecting criteria may have changed though.
In 30 years it will have, without a doubt.
And? You're inferring something, but not actually stating what you're inferring. Are you saying that crime is getting worse, but that the figures are massaged in the way they're collected?
I'm unsure what your point is. If you read the link it covers pretty much the whole subject in a nice bite-sized read. It even covers how our perception of what crime rates are and how the reality of the situation may differ.
But if you look to the countries with the lowest re-offending rates, you'll see they're modern countries that treat their convicts with some degree of respect. If you know of any examples where harsh prison regimes reduce re-offending, I'd be interested to read about it.
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You should be banned from the forum! You are a convicted class A drug dealer!
Why is everybody treating him with respect?
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You should be banned from the forum! You are a convicted class A drug dealer!
Why is everybody treating him with respect?
Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
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The collecting criteria may have changed though.
In 30 years it will have, without a doubt.
Has it occurred to you that the changes (detailed in the graph) might make the decline look smaller than it is? Not saying they do, just that it's entirely possible. Your argument runs both ways.
Vin
Actually, no, it hadn't. I've not said whether I think crime has gone up or down.
I'm just saying what is true.
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
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He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹
Totally agree, scum bag!
I have 2 daughters!!
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What isn't mentioned in the Guardian article is the numerous changes as to how crime is recorded and what those changes were. Recording crime and how it's been done has been changed by governments over the years to suit their own political agenda which is designed to always show an improvement.
Unless the methods used remain constant, then the data is statistically impotent.
Also, what is a crime in the eyes of the law has changed.
For instance, if someone is given a police warning for a minor offence, it's then not recorded as a crime where as previously it was.
My point is not that crime may have or may not have fallen or remained constant, etc, it's that the graph is pretty much meaningless.
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
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Search my name, I've been on here on and off for years!
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You should be banned from the forum! You are a convicted class A drug dealer!
Why is everybody treating him with respect?
Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
if only i could be bothered to formulate an opinion on this subject but
my time is too precious to waste.
Hey ho! :)
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The collecting criteria may have changed though.
In 30 years it will have, without a doubt.
And? You're inferring something, but not actually stating what you're inferring. Are you saying that crime is getting worse, but that the figures are massaged in the way they're collected?
I'm unsure what your point is. If you read the link it covers pretty much the whole subject in a nice bite-sized read. It even covers how our perception of what crime rates are and how the reality of the situation may differ.
But if you look to the countries with the lowest re-offending rates, you'll see they're modern countries that treat their convicts with some degree of respect. If you know of any examples where harsh prison regimes reduce re-offending, I'd be interested to read about it.
I'm not inferring anything.
My only point is that a lot of figures can be massaged to show/hide what the originator would like to show.
For instance-the foreign aid post a few months back.
We pay £56m a day to (I think...) India, for aid. It sounds a lot when put like that. It is a lot but you get what I mean.
But another way to record it is that it's (again, I think...) 0.005% of our GDP.
My only point is that figures can be spun.
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
As far as I'm aware Ritchie is a human being whose made a mistake, served his time, and is allowed to continue to be a member of the forum.
There's probably all kinds of folk here who get upto all kinds of dodgy stuff. And?
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
Or the French
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
When did you start modding Ben?
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
As far as I'm aware Ritchie is a human being whose made a mistake, served his time, and is allowed to continue to be a member of the forum.
There's probably all kinds of folk here who get upto all kinds of dodgy stuff. And?
a mistake? only a mistake? if you call a drug dealer a mistake, nothing else to add then...!!!
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
Or the French
Beat me to it ;D
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Your first post is this?!
Wind your neck in.
It's probably someone whose been banned before. I'll keep an eye on his posts and bump him if I suspect he's just here to antagonise.
maybe Tosh but he is right, we don't need drug dealers on this forum!
As far as I'm aware Ritchie is a human being whose made a mistake, served his time, and is allowed to continue to be a member of the forum.
There's probably all kinds of folk here who get upto all kinds of dodgy stuff. And?
a mistake? only a mistake? if you call a drug dealer a mistake, nothing else to add then...!!!
Thank God.
Bye Ben
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You should be banned from the forum! You are a convicted class A drug dealer!
Why is everybody treating him with respect?
That word - everyone. I take it you mean every single person on this forum? Yes?
I think what you mean is that he ought not be treated with any respect because he is a convicted drug dealer. If that is so, how about giving a reason as to why someone who is serving a sentence for a crime gets no respect?
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I blame lazy kids for much of the decrease in crime. They're too busy glued to their X boxes than to get their overweight bottoms out of the house to go and be naughty somewhere.
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I blame lazy kids for much of the decrease in crime. They're too busy glued to their X boxes than to get their overweight bottoms out of the house to go and be naughty somewhere.
Got any stats to back that up?
;D
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I blame lazy kids for much of the decrease in crime. They're too busy glued to their X boxes than to get their overweight bottoms out of the house to go and be naughty somewhere.
I think there's more truth in that than is apparent.
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I blame lazy kids for much of the decrease in crime. They're too busy glued to their X boxes than to get their overweight bottoms out of the house to go and be naughty somewhere.
Got any stats to back that up?
;D
Not to hand, but I've a news item that nearly supports it:
The report, by Benjamin Engelstätter, of the Centre for European Economic Research, Scott Cunningham, of Baylor University in Texas, USA, and Michael Ward, of the University of Texas, argue that gamers are 'too busy' playing to cause much trouble in the real world.
The report , released earlier this year, states: "Psychological studies invariably find a positive relationship between violent video game play and aggression.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8798927/Violent-video-games-reduce-crime.html
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I blame lazy kids for much of the decrease in crime. They're too busy glued to their X boxes than to get their overweight bottoms out of the house to go and be naughty somewhere.
Got any stats to back that up?
;D
Not to hand, but I've a news item that nearly supports it:
The report, by Benjamin Engelstätter, of the Centre for European Economic Research, Scott Cunningham, of Baylor University in Texas, USA, and Michael Ward, of the University of Texas, argue that gamers are 'too busy' playing to cause much trouble in the real world.
The report , released earlier this year, states: "Psychological studies invariably find a positive relationship between violent video game play and aggression.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8798927/Violent-video-games-reduce-crime.html
I wonder if those 3 guys get any funding, any at all, from anyone connected to the video game industry?
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Wake up guys there is no decrease in crime, the powers that be just have a better way of hiding it from Joe public.
They do the same with the unemployment figures.
Its the same crap they use when saying people are living longer and most of the next generation will live to 100
This is the same generation that's killing themselves with binge drinking and junk food.
I know from talking to customers that crime has increased in my area by a fair amount.
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Wake up guys there is no decrease in crime, the powers that be just have a better way of hiding it from Joe public.
They do the same with the unemployment figures.
Its the same crap they use when saying people are living longer and most of the next generation will live to 100
This is the same generation that's killing themselves with binge drinking and junk food.
I know from talking to customers that crime has increased in my area by a fair amount.
I don't really know Sean. But...the perception and the reality are vastly different in some areas.
There was a radio documentary on it last year.
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The collecting criteria may have changed though.
In 30 years it will have, without a doubt.
Has it occurred to you that the changes (detailed in the graph) might make the decline look smaller than it is? Not saying they do, just that it's entirely possible. Your argument runs both ways.
Vin
Actually, no, it hadn't. I've not said whether I think crime has gone up or down.
I'm just saying what is true.
And I'm just saying your argument runs both ways with one example out of two possible examples.
Vin
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I know from talking to customers that crime has increased in my area by a fair amount.
That may or may not be true (crime increasing in your area), but creating a whole picture of the UK from one small area of it will certainly be a distorted version of reality.
And one of the reasons for the fall in crime from it's high in 1995 could simply be that mobile phone theft is down due to better security systems on modern mobile phones. Or that car theft is down for similar reasons.
I live in a close knit community and crime seems to be almost non existent around here, but I know I cannot compare here with some deprived inner city area.
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I'm not inferring anything.
My only point is that a lot of figures can be massaged to show/hide what the originator would like to show.
The figures behind that graph come from the Crime Survey for England and Wales. It's held up as being one of the most consistent and well carried out statistical surveys anywhere.
To address a point made by someone else, it is carried out by interviewing people at random and asking them, by their definition, if they have been a victim of crime. This is then checked to see if what's been reported as a crime actually is. So it doesn't matter if someone's cautioned, arrested or even caught - it's recorded.
Statistically, it's very robust indeed. It's pretty much a shining light as far as good stats go. And it shows crime decreasing. Take a look at page 6 of www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_360216.pdf - graph updated to take in preliminary results from this year.
Vin
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Search my name, I've been on here on and off for years!
OK, here goes: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=37979;sa=showPosts
Vin
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I know from talking to customers that crime has increased in my area by a fair amount.
That may or may not be true (crime increasing in your area), but creating a whole picture of the UK from one small area of it will certainly be a distorted version of reality.
And one of the reasons for the fall in crime from it's high in 1995 could simply be that mobile phone theft is down due to better security systems on modern mobile phones. Or that car theft is down for similar reasons.
I live in a close knit community and crime seems to be almost non existent around here, but I know I cannot compare here with some deprived inner city area.
Tosh I understand what your saying but I don't come from a deprived area. I come from an area that's fairly well off
with low unemployment, and until lately almost crime free.
So if crime is going up in my area why isn't it going up elsewhere ?
Nothing has changed in society to explain why crime would be coming down infect with prison sentences getting
shorter crime sounds more appealing.
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The figures behind that graph come from the Crime Survey for England and Wales. It's held up as being one of the most consistent and well carried out statistical surveys anywhere.
To address a point made by someone else, it is carried out by interviewing people at random and asking them, by their definition, if they have been a victim of crime. This is then checked to see if what's been reported as a crime actually is. So it doesn't matter if someone's cautioned, arrested or even caught - it's recorded.
Statistically, it's very robust indeed. It's pretty much a shining light as far as good stats go. And it shows crime decreasing. Take a look at page 6 of www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_360216.pdf - graph updated to take in preliminary results from this year.
Vin
It may be the dogs wotsits as far a surveys go but like must always be compared with like. Who says it's a shining light for good stats and it doesn't show crime decreasing, it shows a statistic for crime decreasing.
This forum is not the place to go into exactly why those statistics are not valid.
Also, if crime is decreasing then why are there more people in prison than ever before despite a government ruling that less be sent to prison and despite a general reduction in length of sentence and a greater emphasis on community orders instead of custodial sentences?
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Also, if crime is decreasing then why are there more people in prison than ever before despite a government ruling that less be sent to prison and despite a general reduction in length of sentence and a greater emphasis on community orders instead of custodial sentences?
When was the government ruling? That may answer your question.
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You should be banned from the forum! You are a convicted class A drug dealer!
Why is everybody treating him with respect?
Oh clear off. No one is treating him with respect. He's BEEN an idiot. He has been punished. Rightly so. End of story. If he keeps his head down and contributes to society properly again, then I for one wish him nothing but the very best.
Also, what the hell does having two daughters have to do with anything. ::)roll
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When was the government ruling? That may answer your question.
Soon after they came to power.
Also, prison number have been steadily increasing for years despite the last governments efforts to do the same.
Prison numbers in one sense only are an easy statistic as it's a straight forwards head count.
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When was the government ruling? That may answer your question.
Soon after they came to power.
Also, prison number have been steadily increasing for years despite the last governments efforts to do the same.
Prison numbers in one sense only are an easy statistic as it's a straight forwards head count.
Maybe the larger prison population helps accounts for some of the falling crime rate?
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He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹
+1
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Maybe the larger prison population helps accounts for some of the falling crime rate?
Very valid point. I hadn't thought of that.
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Crime is dropping, it's a simple fact.
What's not dropping is people perception of crime, the fear that it will happen to them. According to the daily mail, Britain is full of knife wielding immigrants all fired up from playing grand theft auto.
We had a spate or robberies round here recently, everyone knew about every incident pretty much straight away. People report it to everyone they know on Facebook. Knowing straight away that someone you went to school with, who you haven't spoken to in ten years, and who lives two towns over, has had their bike nicked, immediately after it has happened is a new thing.
Information spreads so quickly nowadays. It's bound to make people think that crime is on the increase because they see more instances of it.
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He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹
+1
It's a fact that people commit less crime on drugs than they do on alcohol. The overwhelming majority of crime in this country is alcohol fuelled. I think pub landlords should be locked up.
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He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹
+1
It's a fact that people commit less crime on drugs than they do on alcohol. The overwhelming majority of crime in this country is alcohol fuelled. I think pub landlords should be locked up.
You may or may not be right but that hardly makes drug pushing
better does it :)
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It may be the dogs wotsits as far a surveys go but like must always be compared with like. Who says it's a shining light for good stats and it doesn't show crime decreasing, it shows a statistic for crime decreasing.
I literally cannot understand this comment. You live in a different world from me if a well-run statistical survey can just be ignored. The only solution to your problem with it is to ask every single person in Britain, otherwise it's "just statistics". What would satisfy you?
This forum is not the place to go into exactly why those statistics are not valid.
Interesting. You've already decided that they are not valid. People a lot brighter than me (and, may I venture, you) are happy with it. If this isn't the place to go into why it's not valid does that mean we're just meant to take your word for it?
Also, if crime is decreasing then why are there more people in prison than ever before despite a government ruling that less be sent to prison and despite a general reduction in length of sentence and a greater emphasis on community orders instead of custodial sentences?
Is it just possible that the number of people in prison and not on the street is the cause of the drop in crime? Are you mistaking cause and effect? Have you looked at the statistics (yes, that word again) about why the prison population is high. I haven't, but have you, given that you're the one making the comment?
I don't know the answer to any of those any more than you do but what I do know, with enough certainty that I'd bet my house on it, is that the amount of crime in the UK is dropping. Deride it by calling it "just statistics" (as though that's an insult) if you wish but those words are meaningless. Once you have enough evidence, something becomes fact. And this is way, way past enough evidence. And it's not just one year of data, it's twenty years of steady decline.
Vin
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Wake up guys there is no decrease in crime, the powers that be just have a better way of hiding it from Joe public.
They do the same with the unemployment figures.
Its the same crap they use when saying people are living longer and most of the next generation will live to 100
This is the same generation that's killing themselves with binge drinking and junk food.
I know from talking to customers that crime has increased in my area by a fair amount.
So, statistics are junk in general but your survey of a handful of people is relevant.
I despair.
Vin
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I don’t know richy wilts but I would just like to say I wish you all the very best and I hope you can get your life back together and stay clean and trouble free.
As for crime being the result of weak sentencing and holidy camp prisons as is often the perception of the general public , in general this is not the case and most experts who have studied this in countries all over the world talk about poverty and inequality being the main cause of crime.
A quick google search gave me this ;
“Contrary to the specific deterrent hypothesis, according to which harsher prison conditions should reduce recidivism, we do not find compelling evidence that higher degrees of prison harshness or isolation contribute to reducing the propensity to re-engage in criminal activities.”
http://aler.oxfordjournals.org/content/13/1/103.full
“More Dangerous Offenders Unaffected
There was one significant exception to the deterrent effect, the researchers found. Inmates convicted of more serious original crimes were not affected at all by the threat of longer sentence. In other words, the more dangerous inmates are not deterred by the threat of stiffer penalties.
Although the Italian study demonstrated that longer sentences can be a deterrent for some offenders, the findings only apply to those who have previously served time. It is still not clear if the deterrent effect is also true for those who have never been to prison.”
http://crime.about.com/od/prevent/a/deterrence.htm
“CONCLUSION
Existing evidence does not support any significant public safety benefit of the
practice of increasing the severity of sentences by imposing longer prison terms. In
fact, research findings imply that increasingly lengthy prison terms are
counterproductive. Overall, the evidence indicates that the deterrent effect of
lengthy prison sentences would not be substantially diminished if punishments were
reduced from their current levels. Thus, policies such as California’s Three Strikes
law or mandatory minimums that increase imprisonment not only burden state
budgets, but also fail to enhance public safety. As a result, such policies are not
justifiable based on their ability to deter.”
http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/Deterrence%20Briefing%20.pdf
Seems to experts in many countries after much research don’t agree that the threat of harsher penalties will necessarily reduce crime.
As for statistics on crime falling/increasing , i think its a sad indictment of politicians and their lies and propaganda that people argue over the authenticity of statistics no matter how true they may be.
Best wishes
Craig.
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
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Totally agree, scum bag!
I have 2 daughters!!
Don't blame Richie for your daughters drug habit....
If he was their dealer (which I doubt) then I doubt very much he went and forced it on them... Probably them begging for some if anything...
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
Hey, nice move from "reported crime" (a la crime survey, which is what was being discussed) to "recorded crime". I see what you did there. Nice work, well done. Also, great work on the selection of the timescale. Sublime work.
Vin
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
Hey, nice move from "reported crime" (a la crime survey, which is what was being discussed) to "recorded crime". I see what you did there. Nice work, well done. Also, great work on the selection of the timescale. Sublime work.
Vin
So, instead of admitting defeat & ignoring the facts, you still try to appear "clever"!! LOL ;D
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense. Have you any evidence to back it up? Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?
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Did the crime. Done the time. Hopefully lessons learned. If they have then respect for sorting it out. Could have just as easily been me but I was too greedy to sell any.
I don't know if Richy had a using problem but it might explain some of that overly ambitious stuff from before. A change in attitude needs to accompany a change in behaviour and, possibly, a change in friends. One of the few areas where I do actually know what I'm talking about.
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense. Have you any evidence to back it up? Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?
Again, I'm using the evidence provided by our expert. ;)
Are you stating that the facts of which I state based on that evidence are wrong Tosh? Looking at that evidence (the graph) as far as I can see, what I state is indeed correct- we are almost no further forward 30 odd years down the line in regards of overall recorded crime statistics. Maybe Vin didn't realise that before he posted it?
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)
And maybe if the survey started in 1970 the facts would be even stronger?
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Crime is decreasing, it's a fact. How do I know? I have googled it. Try it yourself.
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Crime is decreasing, it's a fact. How do I know? I have googled it. Try it yourself.
Scotland will be better off independant- fact! How do I know? I've just read the SNP's white paper, try it yourself!! ;D
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)
And maybe if the survey started in 1970 the facts would be even stronger?
But we dont have the figures from 1970 (unless you have them?) so your point is irrelevant
What i posted was in reference to the graph previously posted by vin, you dont seem to backing up what you're saying apart from the start and end date of the survey.
Yes crime is around the same rate, but you cant deny its on the decline
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I have read the whitepaper it's an excellent piece of literary fiction. Not really relevant, there are too many unknown quantities referred to in it.
Crime figures are falling. That's by way of measurement of facts.
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So, instead of admitting defeat & ignoring the facts, you still try to appear "clever"!! LOL ;D
What I've said from the start is that crime is dropping. Can you see the word "is" in there? Is. now. Currently. Presently. At this time. Nowadays. Today. In this day and age.
Unlike you, I don't really consider what happened 30 (or even 20) years ago as relevant to me.
So, let me be more specific. Has the crime rate fallen over the past five or ten years? Or can you argue that one away?
Vin
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.
Feelings aren't facts, Win. Have you any evidence to back up your points? I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect. Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.
The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!
So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.
Now, do you really not see that? ::)roll
I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)
And maybe if the survey started in 1970 the facts would be even stronger?
But we dont have the figures from 1970 (unless you have them?) so your point is irrelevant
What i posted was in reference to the graph previously posted by vin, you dont seem to backing up what you're saying apart from the start and end date of the survey.
Yes crime is around the same rate, but you cant deny its on the decline
I don't need to back anything up, I'm clearly stating that the graph provided as evidence shows since 1981 recorded crime figures in the UK have been almost constantly higher in all that time. What the graph shows within that timescale is that these numbers have risen & fallen at different points in time but the overall figures at the end of this time remain pretty much the same. The situation overall doesn't look much better now than in 1981. If the graph continues to decline then that will be a different story but like you say- that's irrelevant as we don't have it. ;)
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He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹
+1
It's a fact that people commit less crime on drugs than they do on alcohol. The overwhelming majority of crime in this country is alcohol fuelled. I think pub landlords should be locked up.
You may or may not be right but that hardly makes drug pushing
better does it :)
I just don't like the hypocrisy of those attacking Richie Wilts that happily p it up at the weekends behaving as prats, buying alcohol (a drug) from pubs and supermarkets that often lead to theft, assault, murder and condemn those that sell drugs to their willing mates. than
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I don't know about crime going down in officiall figures but we were busy enough during a 12 hour shift on friday night.
Burglaries, domestic assaults, pub fights, attempted suicides, drunken youths to name a few of the jobs that I went to in what was a typical friday night.
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The number of crimes reported or recorded may be broadly similar today as in 1981. That isn't relevant to this argument.
The point is that it has been claimed that prison is not a deterrent to criminals as they are too soft. By that logic prisons were softest around 1996. Do you think prisons have been getting steadily tougher in the last 20 years? That certainly goes against the original point, don't you think?
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I don't know about crime going down in officiall figures but we were busy enough during a 12 hour shift on friday night.
Burglaries, domestic assaults, pub fights, attempted suicides, drunken youths to name a few of the jobs that I went to in what was a typical friday night.
As well you should be. There wouldn't be much point employing police officers to sit around doing nothing on a Friday night would there?
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I don't know about crime going down in officiall figures but we were busy enough during a 12 hour shift on friday night.
Burglaries, domestic assaults, pub fights, attempted suicides, drunken youths to name a few of the jobs that I went to in what was a typical friday night.
As well you should be. There wouldn't be much point employing police officers to sit around doing nothing on a Friday night would there?
Spot on, I reckon that in 200 years from now we will be able to send all criminals to Mars and eventually sack the Police force.
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That's what should happen to half the police force. Now.
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What, sack em or send them to Mars?
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Especially them PCSOs. They're all drunks themselves. ;D
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What, sack em or send them to Mars?
Mars.
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That's what should happen to half the police force. Now.
If that's your stance Matt, what should happen to window cleaners who don't change their squeegee rubbers on a regular basis then?
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Especially them PCSOs. They're all drunks themselves. ;D
What's a PSCO?
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http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/welcome.html
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http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/welcome.html
Oh right thanks,
I think Matt is getting them confused with this role......
http://www.skillsforjustice-ppf.com/national-roles/?r_id=336
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http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/welcome.html
Oh right thanks,
I think Matt is getting them confused with this role......
http://www.skillsforjustice-ppf.com/national-roles/?r_id=336
He can't get EVERYTHING right, he's not god you know..
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Especially them PCSOs. They're all drunks themselves. ;D
What's a PSCO?
A dyslexic PCSO. ;D
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http://www.policecommunitysupportofficer.com/welcome.html
Oh right thanks,
I think Matt is getting them confused with this role......
http://www.skillsforjustice-ppf.com/national-roles/?r_id=336
He can't get EVERYTHING right, he's not god you know..
Lol
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That's what should happen to half the police force. Now.
If that's your stance Matt, what should happen to window cleaners who don't change their squeegee rubbers on a regular basis then?
Convert to WFP.
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C3PO??
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I dont get it, if crime is going down then why are our prisons so overcrouded??.
Is it that population has risen so much from 1981 to present so the ratio has changed to the amount of law abiding people vs the criminals?
Im not convinced crime is dropping as it seems to be getting worse from my eyes although that survey says different! but hey ho just an opinion.
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Prisons are closing. I reckon you perceive crime to be worse because of the media and social media in particular.
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I just checked a relevant website. It appears that the prison population at a given point in 2013 was 84,000. It is reasonable to assume that it didn't vary too much either way during all of 2013. Many years ago (possibly about 30), I remember that there was some concern in the media that the prison population was approaching 40,000.
Of course this doesn't necessarily mean that there is more crime. It may just mean that people are locked up more easily. Or it could mean that there is less crime generally but that there is more serious crime. Another angle may be that there are more repeat offenders - assuming that repeat offenders are more likely to be banged up than first time or one-off offenders. It may even mean that sentences are generally longer - or it could mean that there is more crime but that statistics have been manipulated.
Whichever it is, I mistrust any statistics that have been formulated by any parties that have a vested interest in making the numbers look higher or lower than reality. Depending on who it is, there are advantages to be gained by cooking the books in either direction.
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Exactly look at the employment figures according to statistics they are also falling.
But what they fail to mention is that a zero hour contract takes you of the list even through
you could still be getting full benefits.
That why the government wants to force the unemployed to take them as it would reduce the statistics
even further.
O look us nice Torries have reduced unemployment to one million but keep it to yourself as we still pay benefits
to over five million.
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When was the government ruling? That may answer your question.
Soon after they came to power.
Also, prison number have been steadily increasing for years despite the last governments efforts to do the same.
Prison numbers in one sense only are an easy statistic as it's a straight forwards head count.
Maybe the larger prison population helps accounts for some of the falling crime rate?
The prisons are 1% from full capacity at minute absolutely heaving they've had to open 3 old prisons back up
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Whichever it is, I mistrust any statistics that have been formulated by any parties that have a vested interest in making the numbers look higher or lower than reality. Depending on who it is, there are advantages to be gained by cooking the books in either direction.
From the report preamble for the crime figure data:
"Since it began, the CSEW has been conducted by an independent (from government or the police)
survey research organisation using trained interviewers to collect data from sampled respondents.
The interviewers have no vested interest in the results of the survey. For the crime types and
population groups it covers, the CSEW has a consistent methodology and is unaffected by changes
in levels of public reporting to the police, recording practice or police activity. As such, the survey is
widely seen to operate as an independent reality-check of the police figures. The independence of
the survey has been further strengthened by the transfer of responsibility from the Home Office to
the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in April 2012."
So it's formulated by someone with no axe to grind. Either way.
Vin
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O look us nice Torries have reduced unemployment to one million but keep it to yourself as we still pay benefits
to over five million.
Whilst labour would pay benefits to twice that and have 3 times that out of work. With no money left in the coffers to boot!
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Whichever it is, I mistrust any statistics that have been formulated by any parties that have a vested interest in making the numbers look higher or lower than reality. Depending on who it is, there are advantages to be gained by cooking the books in either direction.
From the report preamble for the crime figure data:
"Since it began, the CSEW has been conducted by an independent (from government or the police)
survey research organisation using trained interviewers to collect data from sampled respondents.
The interviewers have no vested interest in the results of the survey. For the crime types and
population groups it covers, the CSEW has a consistent methodology and is unaffected by changes
in levels of public reporting to the police, recording practice or police activity. As such, the survey is
widely seen to operate as an independent reality-check of the police figures. The independence of
the survey has been further strengthened by the transfer of responsibility from the Home Office to
the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in April 2012."
So it's formulated by someone with no axe to grind. Either way.
Vin
So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense. Have you any evidence to back it up? Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?
I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?
If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.
Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.
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Ritchie, I think if ever there was a case for posting anonymously under a made up name yours is it.
I don't mean from now but from the beginning, see how your past and activities outside of this forum have caught up with you.
I am not going to enter in to this moral debate and cast judgement, this is a window cleaning forum after all.
You have done wrong and you know that, I can however empthasise with the openess and honesty you now appear to be showing.
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Whichever it is, I mistrust any statistics that have been formulated by any parties that have a vested interest in making the numbers look higher or lower than reality. Depending on who it is, there are advantages to be gained by cooking the books in either direction.
From the report preamble for the crime figure data:
"Since it began, the CSEW has been conducted by an independent (from government or the police)
survey research organisation using trained interviewers to collect data from sampled respondents.
The interviewers have no vested interest in the results of the survey. For the crime types and
population groups it covers, the CSEW has a consistent methodology and is unaffected by changes
in levels of public reporting to the police, recording practice or police activity. As such, the survey is
widely seen to operate as an independent reality-check of the police figures. The independence of
the survey has been further strengthened by the transfer of responsibility from the Home Office to
the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in April 2012."
So it's formulated by someone with no axe to grind. Either way.
Vin
So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.
Pretty much along similar lines to my own thinking but you say it better than I.
Whoever or however the statistics are formulated, the prison population has more than doubled in roughly 30 years. Even if some manipulation of the figures was taking place before the current counting method, it would be hard to deny that there has been a substantial increase. This doesn't necessarily bequate to an increase in crime but, if all other elements have stayed about the same (they haven't), it would.
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I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?
If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.
Interesting ...
I can however empthasise with the openess and honesty you now appear to be showing.
Hmm, it's honesty? Maybe it's arrogance in light of what DW has said.
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I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?
If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.
Interesting ...
I can however empthasise with the openess and honesty you now appear to be showing.
Hmm, it's honesty? Maybe it's arrogance in light of what DW has said.
thats why I chose my words carefully "appear to be showing".
Anyway I'm not God and neither are you ;)
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I'm not Gordon Bennet and neither are you ;)
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense. Have you any evidence to back it up? Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?
I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?
If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.
Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.
+ 1 +1 +1
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I'm not Gordon Bennet and neither are you ;)
Rumbled ! those who have never made a mistake never learn anything.
I know better than to use my real name :D
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense. Have you any evidence to back it up? Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?
I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?
If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.
Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.
+ 1 +1 +1
FTFY =3
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One good thing about Scotland is that you need a license to be a window cleaner.
You have to pay a fee every 3 years to have it renewed.
If you have a criminal record, you don't get a license.
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Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.
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So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.
Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up. What was different then? Who was paying their wages in those days? I'll tell you who. Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought. If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say. But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.
Vin
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So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.
Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up. What was different then? Who was paying their wages in those days? I'll tell you who. Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought. If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say. But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.
Vin
you going to the show on Saturday Vin
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That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!
Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense. Have you any evidence to back it up? Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?
I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?
If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.
Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.
Just to be clear last time I was sent down was 9'years ago and wasn't drug relatated it was driving offences and I only served 13 weeks I've done pretty well since then to not get further in trouble a few minor drunk and disorderlies,
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Richy - are you through with drugs, dealing and all that?
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Richy - are you through with drugs, dealing and all that?
like he would say no on a public forum ;D
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Richy - are you through with drugs, dealing and all that?
like he would say no on a public forum ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yeah course I am not a nice way to live your life I've put my mum and dad thru hell with it all
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you going to the show on Saturday Vin
I'm not - setting up RO at franchisee 003 (how cool is the seventh guy going to feel as 007?).
Vin
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So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.
Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up. What was different then? Who was paying their wages in those days? I'll tell you who. Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought. If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say. But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.
Vin
The difference then was that the government wasn't trying to cut costs in policing and prison.
Now they are and need evidence to justify it.
My evidence is based on what I see around me in everyday life.
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
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The normal high horse soap box warriors on Ciu ::)roll
I did warn richy about comin on here but he was brave enough
To tell you all the detail and admit he did wrong.
But you lot are like a load of women at the school gate...
I think 10 pages is long enough as it's not about window clean
It's time admin locked this thread
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The difference then was that the government wasn't trying to cut costs in policing and prison.
Now they are and need evidence to justify it.
My evidence is based on what I see around me in everyday life.
You theory, then, is that the evil-statistics-twisting Tory government of the 80s wasn't trying to cut costs so it allowed crime figures to go up despite that hacking off the electorate then in 1994 the Labour government was trying to save money so crime dropped and now the evil-statistics-twisting-Tories are back they are doing the same so crime's still dropping?
Did Ritchie sell you some stuff to help you see the world like that?
Vin
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you going to the show on Saturday Vin
I'm not - setting up RO at franchisee 003 (how cool is the seventh guy going to feel as 007?).
Vin
Vin, you really need to get the ro down to 000
;)
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Maybe look at the crap you post ::)roll
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glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time
take care mate
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Id say your post was about the most rubbish, someone voices an opinion you disagree with and that is the best you can come back with.
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The normal high horse soap box warriors on Ciu ::)roll
I did warn richy about comin on here but he was brave enough
To tell you all the detail and admit he did wrong.
But you lot are like a load of women at the school gate...
I think 10 pages is long enough as it's not about window clean
It's time admin locked this thread
+1. Lock it or at least move it to the Witch Hunt section
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glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time
take care mate
you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused! ;D
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glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time
take care mate
you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused! ;D
You look like a viler to me :P
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Thought you'd finished on this Ben. ::)roll
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glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time
take care mate
you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused! ;D
true very true, some mistakes we are stuck with :P
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glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time
take care mate
you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused! ;D
You look like a viler to me :P
By anychance have you a mate called zippy! :)
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Geoffrey.
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So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.
Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up. What was different then? Who was paying their wages in those days? I'll tell you who. Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought. If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say. But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.
Vin
It's why I was pretty careful to say that manipulation can happen either way. Lower crime rates look good until someone wants to spend less money on policing. Then, it can be beneficial to certain schools of thought for crime rates to look higher. It's not necessarily a government of the day either. It can just as easily be senior police officers or media.
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Id say your post was about the most rubbish, someone voices an opinion you disagree with and that is the best you can come back with.
yes because i never taken illegal drugs, how he can say most of us did!!!!
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Thought you'd finished on this Ben. ::)roll
don't talk to me, you are losing your time....
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
Er, no. I have never taken drugs and I have never bought stolen goods.
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
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Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.
Yeah, but that case is usually open and closed. Criminal record? And you want to be allowed on people's property? A perfect job for burglars and general undesireables? No chance.
Unless it's a unusual case.
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Yeah course I am not a nice way to live your life I've put my mum and dad thru hell with it all
I can imagine the hell they went through and no, it's not a nice way to live. There's no winners.
As you're putting all that behind you, then good luck for the future and stuff what any on here think. You done the crime and you're doing the time.
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
Er, no. I have never taken drugs and I have never bought stolen goods.
Reality is for people who can't handle drugs :)
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Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.
Yeah, but that case is usually open and closed. Criminal record? And you want to be allowed on people's property? A perfect job for burglars and general undesireables? No chance.
Unless it's a unusual case.
All of my employees over 20+ years have had a license (as per the law). Many of them have had to go before the committee. Not once have we been refused. Never had any burglars working with us though.
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Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.
Yeah, but that case is usually open and closed. Criminal record? And you want to be allowed on people's property? A perfect job for burglars and general undesireables? No chance.
Unless it's a unusual case.
All of my employees over 20+ years have had a license (as per the law). Many of them have had to go before the committee. Not once have we been refused. Never had any burglars working with us though.
You would think that people that quite literally haven't got a clue what they are talking about would just shut up.
I stopped reading papers years ago and stopped arguing with the ignorant. I can't do anything about what's happening in the world or change the views of the ignorant.
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Thought you'd finished on this Ben. ::)roll
don't talk to me, you are losing your time....
Shhh. You're making a tw@ of yourself.
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Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.
Yeah, but that case is usually open and closed. Criminal record? And you want to be allowed on people's property? A perfect job for burglars and general undesireables? No chance.
Unless it's a unusual case.
All of my employees over 20+ years have had a license (as per the law). Many of them have had to go before the committee. Not once have we been refused. Never had any burglars working with us though.
You would think that people that quite literally haven't got a clue what they are talking about would just shut up.
I stopped reading papers years ago and stopped arguing with the ignorant. I can't do anything about what's happening in the world or change the views of the ignorant.
Internet warrior alert. Lol.
I'm going on factual experiences. 2 cleaners in with criminal records, got refused a window cleaners license.
I suppose it differs from which panel you go up ok front of.
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Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a dressing down imo. And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!
what a rubbish post!!!!
Thought you'd finished on this Ben. ::)roll
don't talk to me, you are losing your time....
Shhh. You're making a tw@ of yourself.
:-*
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Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.
Yeah, but that case is usually open and closed. Criminal record? And you want to be allowed on people's property? A perfect job for burglars and general undesireables? No chance.
Unless it's a unusual case.
All of my employees over 20+ years have had a license (as per the law). Many of them have had to go before the committee. Not once have we been refused. Never had any burglars working with us though.
You would think that people that quite literally haven't got a clue what they are talking about would just shut up.
I stopped reading papers years ago and stopped arguing with the ignorant. I can't do anything about what's happening in the world or change the views of the ignorant.
Internet warrior alert. Lol.
I'm going on factual experiences. 2 cleaners in with criminal records, got refused a window cleaners license.
I suppose it differs from which panel you go up ok front of.
Yeah the councilors are just people. It depends what is said in the meeting too, the police have a representative there, get them onside and you are sorted..
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AWOL for 18 months ... then one of the most read topics ... ;) ;)
Hope it all works out for you ... new leaf an all that
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Haha always create a good thread me ian haha
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Welcome back Richy....dont listen to some of the idiots on here half of them really need to pull their heads out their arses ;D
Everyone makes mistakes you lives and learns ;)
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Welcome back Richy....dont listen to some of the idiots on here half of them really need to pull their heads out their arses ;D
Everyone makes mistakes you lives and learns ;)
Completely agree.
Hopefully richy has lived and learned.......for the third or fourth time now.
;D
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I think Ritchie has a Jesus sized hole in his soul and is trying to fill it with other things, like selling drugs.
Have you ever considered being a sunbeam for Jesus, Ritchie?
He loves you, you know?
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I think Ritchie has a Jesus sized hole in his soul and is trying to fill it with other things, like selling drugs.
Have you ever considered being a sunbeam for Jesus, Ritchie?
He loves you, you know?
???
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I think Ritchie has a Jesus sized hole in his soul and is trying to fill it with other things, like selling drugs.
Have you ever considered being a sunbeam for Jesus, Ritchie?
He loves you, you know?
???
Somebody else dabbling in mind altering substances? ???
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I think Ritchie has a Jesus sized hole in his soul and is trying to fill it with other things, like selling drugs.
Have you ever considered being a sunbeam for Jesus, Ritchie?
He loves you, you know?
???
Somebody else dabbling in mind altering substances? ???
Just life and Jesus, mate.
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
Ha har, that went through my mind Franky! Every one & their mothers were slagging him of something chronic calling him all the names under the sun when he went down!! ;D ;D
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
You said you wanted to mother his children.
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
I didn't ....... I didn't comment one way or another :-*
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
So you aren't stuck on the fence then Rich? 8)
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
Nor me ;D
I didn't ....... I didn't comment one way or another :-*
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Is this a Richy Wilts record - 12 pages?
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bloody hell we got some two face people on here :P :P :P
when the old sod went down what was you all saying???????
as for my feelings you should stay locked up ;) :o :o :o scum
So you aren't stuck on the fence then Rich? 8)
say it has it is and if you don't like it then feck off
>:( >:( >:( >:(
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Is this a Richy Wilts record - 12 pages?
Aye but there's 10 pages of drivel from the goody two shoes duo- Tosh & Perfect Vin don't forget!! ;D
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Is this a Richy Wilts record - 12 pages?
Aye but there's 10 pages of drivel from the goody two shoes duo- Tosh & Perfect Vin don't forget!! ;D
;D
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world... ;)
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
It's 'in' not 'on'.
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money when I tried to grow business and break ins and had difficult spell, I'd sunk all my money into business trying to build it. I've had a difficult few years and can finally see light at end of tunnel sometimes u need to hit rock bottom to bounce back that's what I'll do lots of successful business people usually have failures along way and they learn from mistakes I've got a lot to learn from. I've got a lot to prove to people at end of day and no better way that fighting back and proving all the "haters" that I can make a contribution to society so carry on with your remarks
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
You can call me Ben,not Jesus lol. I don't care what you think, if you are not interested why do you leave a comment then?
Chill out mate, don't take everything seriously ;)
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
It's 'in' not 'on'.
you are right ;)
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money when I tried to grow business and break ins and had difficult spell, I'd sunk all my money into business trying to build it. I've had a difficult few years and can finally see light at end of tunnel sometimes u need to hit rock bottom to bounce back that's what I'll do lots of successful business people usually have failures along way and they learn from mistakes I've got a lot to learn from. I've got a lot to prove to people at end of day and no better way that fighting back and proving all the "haters" that I can make a contribution to society so carry on with your remarks
Maybe you would be better served keeping your head down at the
moment and get on with rebuilding trust with the people who matter
to you and putting your life straight rather than seeming to enjoy
the celebrity like status on this meaningless forum :)
Obviously it would be better for the people in your life if you
put things straight...best of luck with it. :)
I hope richy likes this remark :)
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money
These sort of statement makes me laugh and makes me feel that you really don't get what you done,and that it was just "Friends" makes it ok
well it doesn't and you were fully aware with what you was doing and why !!!!!!
have you stopped for once and seen the end story of what this "SUPPLY DRUGS TO RECREATIONALLY USE" does.
NO.
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Franky, coming down to Horefield later for a spot of backslapping and offender hugging. Lovely bunch of lads. Just made a mistake that's all.
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For all those of you you have never done wrong or made a mistake you are to be commended.
But you can blow out your torches and lay your pitch forks down now.
Lets all join together and sing along...........................................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn14p4LJgaU
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money
These sort of statement makes me laugh and makes me feel that you really don't get what you done,and that it was just "Friends" makes it ok
well it doesn't and you were fully aware with what you was doing and why !!!!!!
have you stopped for once and seen the end story of what this "SUPPLY DRUGS TO RECREATIONALLY USE" does.
NO.
Supply alcohol for recreational use.
Supply cigarettes for recreational use.
Supply gambling for recreational use.
Richie for sent down for supplying an illegal substance.
Im not saying what he done was right but he's no more a monster than anybody who supplies the above and
no different from the people who use it.
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For all those of you you have never done wrong or made a mistake you are to be commended.
But you can blow out your torches and lay your pitch forks down now.
Lets all join together and sing along...........................................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn14p4LJgaU
Prefer "Woke up this morning" by them ;D
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money
These sort of statement makes me laugh and makes me feel that you really don't get what you done,and that it was just "Friends" makes it ok
well it doesn't and you were fully aware with what you was doing and why !!!!!!
have you stopped for once and seen the end story of what this "SUPPLY DRUGS TO RECREATIONALLY USE" does.
NO.
Supply alcohol for recreational use.
Supply cigarettes for recreational use.
Supply gambling for recreational use.
Richie for sent down for supplying an illegal substance.
Im not saying what he done was right but he's no more a monster than anybody who supplies the above and
no different from the people who use it.
I like that. Never heard them before.
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money
These sort of statement makes me laugh and makes me feel that you really don't get what you done,and that it was just "Friends" makes it ok
well it doesn't and you were fully aware with what you was doing and why !!!!!!
have you stopped for once and seen the end story of what this "SUPPLY DRUGS TO RECREATIONALLY USE" does.
NO.
Supply alcohol for recreational use.
Supply cigarettes for recreational use.
Supply gambling for recreational use.
Richie for sent down for supplying an illegal substance.
Im not saying what he done was right but he's no more a monster than anybody who supplies the above and
no different from the people who use it.
I like that. Never heard them before.
illegal substance a bit different to the rest.
when you find someone dead from a over dose then please say its ok to supply drugs and its the same as beer fAgs etc. >:( >:( >:(
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Yeah 'cause beer and fAgs never hurt no one.
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Yeah 'cause beer and fAgs never hurt no one.
In the US, during prohibition, people who sold alcohol then were 'illegal drug dealers', then the day it became legal to drink again, they became barmen.
Alcohol probably causes more social problems than all of the illegal drugs together.
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Its a conspiracy ..... Richie dont actually exist ... the forum owners created the user name to increase posts and therefore boost advertising income ;D ;D
would be nice, don't need people like him on this world...
Jesus you're judgemental. I've no interest in the Ritchie saga but your coming across as a total numpty. Don't need people like you either.
Haha richly wilts likes this comment
All seriousness it's gonna divide people I know I've done bad I've nearly done my time for it, I wasn't serving bad addicts just friends who worked and used recreationally I made bad decision to return to it from when I was a lot younger, , I was hardly making money
These sort of statement makes me laugh and makes me feel that you really don't get what you done,and that it was just "Friends" makes it ok
well it doesn't and you were fully aware with what you was doing and why !!!!!!
have you stopped for once and seen the end story of what this "SUPPLY DRUGS TO RECREATIONALLY USE" does.
NO.
Supply alcohol for recreational use.
Supply cigarettes for recreational use.
Supply gambling for recreational use.
Richie for sent down for supplying an illegal substance.
Im not saying what he done was right but he's no more a monster than anybody who supplies the above and
no different from the people who use it.
I like that. Never heard them before.
illegal substance a bit different to the rest.
when you find someone dead from a over dose then please say its ok to supply drugs and its the same as beer fAgs etc. >:( >:( >:(
A neighbours son was found dead in their front garden, he had been out celebrating his 21st birthday with mates and
had downed a bottle of vodka.
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In the US, during prohibition, people who sold alcohol then were 'illegal drug dealers', then the day it became legal to drink again, they became barmen.
Alcohol probably causes more social problems than all of the illegal drugs together.
Of course there are more alcohol problems. That is because it's legal to drink it from a young age.
You cannot compare the problems caused by something that is perfectly legal and something that is illegal.
There is a huge number of people who will not touch or try drugs because they are illegal.
There's also the question of social acceptance. Booze to an extent is socially acceptable whereas in the main, drugs aren't.
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IF there's any justice in all this, Richie's farts wont be so loud after his stint inside!! 8)
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IF there's any justice in all this, Richie's farts wont be so loud after his stint inside!! 8)
I assume you know through experience.
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IF there's any justice in all this, Richie's farts wont be so loud after his stint inside!! 8)
I assume you know through experience.
Must admit that isn't something I knew. I assume it must be a side effect that only those with "experience" would know.
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wow poor old richy has been judged once in a court of law and now he is being judged again. he was stupid and paid his price.. let him rebuild his life without the negative comments . them without sin cast the first stone springs to mind ...just my thoughts tbh
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Yeah 'cause beer and fAgs never hurt no one.
In the US, during prohibition, people who sold alcohol then were 'illegal drug dealers', then the day it became legal to drink again, they became barmen.
Alcohol probably causes more social problems than all of the illegal drugs together.
+1
Alcohol is probably the worst drug of them all and its legal ::)roll
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wow poor old richy has been judged once in a court of law and now he is being judged again. he was stupid and paid his price.. let him rebuild his life without the negative comments . them without sin cast the first stone springs to mind ...just my thoughts tbh
its a open forum for people to air there views,not every one sees the same as you ;) :o :P
you would have thought he would had learnt the 1st time but no he never :)
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Lets lock this thread
Sick of everyone making excuses for a drug dealer
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Its neither here or there to me personally but im surprised
so many are surprised or upset at negative comments the chap
has served his time but thats only the start its whether he has learnt
and is rehabilitated only time will tell.Trust respect etc are things that
have to be earnt back when they have been so easily thrown away.
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Lets lock this thread
Sick of everyone making excuses for a drug dealer
I can't see anyone making excuses for him at all.
Only that forum members aren't the judge/jury.
Keyser Soze hit the nail on the head. None of us are perfect and interestingly, there's only ben one person to admit to never taking drugs and that's 'high horse Ben'
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I have never ever taken drugs
Slight difference between " none of us being " perfect which I agree with
Difference is while we all make mistakes in life, being a drug dealer is on another level
Maybe when one of the members on here have a family member or friend who dies from a drug overdose, they might not be so forgiving to " poor old ritchie "
If he is really sorry, then get off the forum, and stop with all the hard luck story and excuses
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Lets lock this thread
Sick of everyone making excuses for a drug dealer
I can't see anyone making excuses for him at all.
Only that forum members aren't the judge/jury.
Keyser Soze hit the nail on the head. None of us are perfect and interestingly, there's only ben one person to admit to never taking drugs and that's 'high horse Ben'
Never tried illegal drugs never wanted to..not that it makes me
any better than anyone else
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I have never ever taken drugs
Slight difference between " none of us being " perfect which I agree with
Difference is while we all make mistakes in life, being a drug dealer is on another level
Maybe when one of the members on here have a family member or friend who dies from a drug overdose, they might not be so forgiving to " poor old ritchie "
If he is really sorry, then get off the forum, and stop with all the hard luck story and excuses
So 2 out if 3,000 views have never taken drugs.
I've not read any hard luck stories or excuses from Ritchie (other than the 'selling to mates' bit, which I'd imagine is how all dealers start)
No-one condones what he did, not even him, but he needs to move on.
As does the forum.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Who cares.
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wow poor old richy has been judged once in a court of law and now he is being judged again. he was stupid and paid his price.. let him rebuild his life without the negative comments . them without sin cast the first stone springs to mind ...just my thoughts tbh
Would you say the same about a rapist or Paedo?
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wow poor old richy has been judged once in a court of law and now he is being judged again. he was stupid and paid his price.. let him rebuild his life without the negative comments . them without sin cast the first stone springs to mind ...just my thoughts tbh
at least twice actually....
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Of course there are more alcohol problems. That is because it's legal to drink it from a young age.
You cannot compare the problems caused by something that is perfectly legal and something that is illegal.
There is a huge number of people who will not touch or try drugs because they are illegal.
There's also the question of social acceptance. Booze to an extent is socially acceptable whereas in the main, drugs aren't.
Wossy, these people who drink alcohol at a 'young age' are probably breaking the law especially if they're drinking it in a public place (like in a park). But that doesn't tend to stop young people from doing that anyway.
And of course you can compare illegal drugs and alcohol because both can be used in exactly the same way; both affect the brain.
As to what's socially acceptable or not depends on what circles in society you mix in. Drugs is obviously acceptable at a social level in the circles Ritchie mixed in (or were), but they're NOT acceptable in mine.
Given alcohol is probably the UK's No 1 cause of social problems, I think it's hypocritical to get all high 'n' mighty over illegal drugs. Remember, just because something is legal doesn't automatically mean it's right and moral. An example is the prohibition in the US; at one time alcohol was illegal, then it was legal, which just goes to show that just because something is against the law doesn't automatically mean it's also immoral. Unless of course you base your morality purely on the law, which would be daft. Nazi Germany (Godwin's law withstanding) had some laws which most right-minded folk would find immoral.
And all prohibition did was make gangsters rich; it didn't stop people from drinking. I think illegal drugs is like that.
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i wonder how big a problem certain drugs would be if they were
legal and socially acceptable,i imagine it would be at least as bad
as alcohol.
when i was growing up the legality was definately tied in
with morality with certain things such as drug taking
and it put me off,if it had been legal and more socially acceptable
i reckon i would of tried most things to go with my smoking for twenty
years and heavy drinking when i was younger.
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Some quite respected members are really surprising me in this thread......
.....and then there's BenM who is always consistently stupid!
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Wish I had never started this thread now... ::)roll
Maybe it should be locked?
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So many people talking poo on here!
If it was your sons or daughters mixed up with taking drugs then im sure your views would change! Especialy towards the dealers!. If not then there is clearly something wrong with people nowdays!
If my daughter was on drugs i wouldnt be saying to her "thats ok i drink beer and gamble so you ring your dealer and get some coke and have a good sniff my darling and get out your nut, im so proud of you".!
Then again by some of the replys on this thread maybe some would be fine with it.
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If it was your sons or daughters mixed up with taking drugs then im sure your views would change! Especialy towards the dealers!.
Nope. I'd blame my daughter and myself; it's called taking responsibility. She wouldn't take drugs and she rarely drinks booze either. She's well educated about this stuff.
Blaming drug dealers for people taking drugs would be like blaming barmen for making alcoholics drink; that would be stupid.
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Wish I had never started this thread now... ::)roll
Maybe it should be locked?
It's your post therefore you can lock it yourself.
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It's your post therefore you can lock it yourself.
Oh - didn't realise that!