[SeanK]

Whichever it is, I mistrust any statistics that have been formulated by any parties that have a vested interest in making the numbers look higher or lower than reality.  Depending on who it is, there are advantages to be gained by cooking the books in either direction.

From the report preamble for the crime figure data:

"Since it began, the CSEW has been conducted by an independent (from government or the police)
survey research organisation using trained interviewers to collect data from sampled respondents.
The interviewers have no vested interest in the results of the survey. For the crime types and
population groups it covers, the CSEW has a consistent methodology and is unaffected by changes
in levels of public reporting to the police, recording practice or police activity. As such, the survey is
widely seen to operate as an independent reality-check of the police figures. The independence of
the survey has been further strengthened by the transfer of responsibility from the Home Office to
the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in April 2012."

So it's formulated by someone with no axe to grind.  Either way.

Vin

So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.

[Dave Willis]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense.  Have you any evidence to back it up?  Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?

I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?

If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.

Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.

[richard groves]

Ritchie, I think if ever there was a case for posting anonymously under a made up name yours is it.
I don't mean from now but from the beginning, see how your past and activities outside of this forum have caught up with you.
I am not going to enter in to this moral debate and cast judgement, this is a window cleaning forum after all.
You have done wrong and you know that, I can however empthasise  with the openess and honesty you now appear to be showing.

[Paul Coleman]

Whichever it is, I mistrust any statistics that have been formulated by any parties that have a vested interest in making the numbers look higher or lower than reality.  Depending on who it is, there are advantages to be gained by cooking the books in either direction.

From the report preamble for the crime figure data:

"Since it began, the CSEW has been conducted by an independent (from government or the police)
survey research organisation using trained interviewers to collect data from sampled respondents.
The interviewers have no vested interest in the results of the survey. For the crime types and
population groups it covers, the CSEW has a consistent methodology and is unaffected by changes
in levels of public reporting to the police, recording practice or police activity. As such, the survey is
widely seen to operate as an independent reality-check of the police figures. The independence of
the survey has been further strengthened by the transfer of responsibility from the Home Office to
the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in April 2012."

So it's formulated by someone with no axe to grind.  Either way.

Vin

So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.

Pretty much along similar lines to my own thinking but you say it better than I.

Whoever or however the statistics are formulated, the prison population has more than doubled in roughly 30 years.  Even if some manipulation of the figures was taking place before the current counting method, it would be hard to deny that there has been a substantial increase.  This doesn't necessarily bequate to an increase in crime but, if all other elements have stayed about the same (they haven't), it would.

[Window Lickers]

I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?

If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.

Interesting ...

I can however empthasise  with the openess and honesty you now appear to be showing.

Hmm, it's honesty? Maybe it's arrogance in light of what DW has said.

[richard groves]

I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?

If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.

Interesting ...

I can however empthasise  with the openess and honesty you now appear to be showing.

Hmm, it's honesty? Maybe it's arrogance in light of what DW has said.

thats why I chose my words carefully "appear to be showing".
Anyway I'm not God and neither are you 

[Window Lickers]

I'm not Gordon Bennet and neither are you  

[Tony Edwards]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense.  Have you any evidence to back it up?  Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?

I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?

If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.

Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.

+ 1     +1     +1

[richard groves]

I'm not Gordon Bennet and neither are you  

Rumbled ! those who have never made a mistake never learn anything.
I know better than to use my real name 

[richard groves]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense.  Have you any evidence to back it up?  Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?

I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?

If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.

Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.

+ 1     +1     +1

FTFY =3

[Jonny 87]

One good thing about Scotland is that you need a license to be a window cleaner.

You have to pay a fee every 3 years to have it renewed.

If you have a criminal record, you don't get a license.

[Soupy]

Not true. If you have a record you must go infront of the council committee and present a case.

[Perfect Windows]

So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.

Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up.  What was different then?  Who was paying their wages in those days?  I'll tell you who.  Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories.  Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought.  If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say.  But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.  

Vin

[bobplum]

So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.

Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up.  What was different then?  Who was paying their wages in those days?  I'll tell you who.  Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories.  Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought.  If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say.  But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.  

Vin

you going to the show on Saturday Vin

[richywilts]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense.  Have you any evidence to back it up?  Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?

I think you'll find Richie has been inside before if I'm not mistaken?

If so then the first sentence hardly worked as a deterrent.

Unfortunately I have no time for offenders particularly drugs dealers and won't be wishing Richie all the best for the future - the spell check on here prevents me using words to describe my thoughts on his kind. The guy had a perfectly good business set up there for him, funded by somebody else and yet chose to get lazy first then greedy.

Just to be clear last time I was sent down was 9'years ago and wasn't drug relatated it was driving offences and I only served 13 weeks I've done pretty well since then to not get further in trouble a few minor drunk and disorderlies,

[rosskesava]

Richy -  are you through with drugs, dealing and all that?

[gary999]

Richy -  are you through with drugs, dealing and all that?

like he would say no on a public forum

[Clever Forum Name]

Richy -  are you through with drugs, dealing and all that?

like he would say no on a public forum

 

[richywilts]

Yeah course I am not a nice way to live your life I've put my mum and dad thru hell with it all

[Perfect Windows]

you going to the show on Saturday Vin

I'm not - setting up RO at franchisee 003 (how cool is the seventh guy going to feel as 007?).

Vin