[SeanK]

So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.

Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up.  What was different then?  Who was paying their wages in those days?  I'll tell you who.  Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories.  Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought.  If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say.  But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.  

Vin

The difference then was that the government wasn't trying to cut costs in policing and prison.
Now they are and need evidence to justify it.
My evidence is based on what I see around me in everyday life.

[jarvy]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

[colin purewater]

The normal high horse soap box warriors on Ciu 

I did warn richy about comin on here but he was brave enough
To tell you all the detail and admit he did wrong.

But you lot are like a load of women at the school gate...


I think 10 pages is long enough as it's not about window clean
It's time admin locked this thread

[Perfect Windows]

The difference then was that the government wasn't trying to cut costs in policing and prison.
Now they are and need evidence to justify it.
My evidence is based on what I see around me in everyday life.

You theory, then, is that the evil-statistics-twisting Tory government of the 80s wasn't trying  to cut costs so it allowed crime figures to go up despite that hacking off the electorate then in 1994 the Labour government was trying to save money so crime dropped and now the evil-statistics-twisting-Tories are back they are doing the same so crime's still dropping?

Did Ritchie sell you some stuff to help you see the world like that?

Vin

[DaveG]

you going to the show on Saturday Vin

I'm not - setting up RO at franchisee 003 (how cool is the seventh guy going to feel as 007?).

Vin

Vin, you really need to get the ro down to 000

 

[ben M]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

what a rubbish post!!!!

[jarvy]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

what a rubbish post!!!!

Maybe look at the crap you post 

[stuart mc]

glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time

take care mate

[richard groves]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

what a rubbish post!!!!

Id say your post was about the most rubbish, someone voices an opinion you disagree with and that is the best you can come back with.

[8weekly]

The normal high horse soap box warriors on Ciu 

I did warn richy about comin on here but he was brave enough
To tell you all the detail and admit he did wrong.

But you lot are like a load of women at the school gate...


I think 10 pages is long enough as it's not about window clean
It's time admin locked this thread

+1. Lock it or at least move it to the Witch Hunt section

[gary999]

glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time

take care mate

you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused!

[Bungle]

glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time

take care mate

you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused!

You look like a viler to me 

[PoleKing]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

what a rubbish post!!!!

Thought you'd finished on this Ben. 

[stuart mc]

glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time

take care mate

you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused!

true very true, some mistakes we are stuck with

[gary999]

glad you are out and doing well Richie, all the best from me, we all make mistakes in life and hopefully learn from them. I have many a time

take care mate

you are a hibs fan...some mistakes cant be excused!

You look like a viler to me 

By anychance have you a mate called zippy!

[Window Lickers]

Geoffrey.

[Paul Coleman]

So who pays their wages or uses their data ?.
Answer the government.
Just like the guy who came to the conclusion that drugs where no worse than alcohol, he was independent
until the government didn't like what he was saying and axed him.
Do you honestly think that these guys don't believe that if the stats don't favour what the government wants
to hear they wont go the same way.
No such thing as a totally independent office when providing data to government bodies.

Interesting then that from their inception to 1994 the crime stats went up.  What was different then?  Who was paying their wages in those days?  I'll tell you who.  Up until 1992, it was the nasty, evil, statistics-twisting Tories.  Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I know it's great to have conspiracy theories about the government having a say in these stats but at least give it some thought.  If they'd always headed down or if the questions had changed, there might be something in what you say.  But, sadly, neither happened so you'll need some evidence of bias to be credible.  

Vin

It's why I was pretty careful to say that manipulation can happen either way.  Lower crime rates look good until someone wants to spend less money on policing.  Then, it can be beneficial to certain schools of thought for crime rates to look higher.  It's not necessarily a government of the day either.  It can just as easily be senior police officers or media.

[ben M]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

what a rubbish post!!!!

Id say your post was about the most rubbish, someone voices an opinion you disagree with and that is the best you can come back with.

yes because i never taken illegal drugs, how he can say most of us did!!!!

[ben M]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

what a rubbish post!!!!

Thought you'd finished on this Ben. 

don't talk to me, you are losing your time....

[LT carpet cleaning]

Wow, give the guy a break. He f'd up and and served some time for it. Are all the naysayers on here telling me they have never taken illegal drugs in their lifetime? Or brought something at a bargain price knowing it was knocked off?
If you have taken drugs in the past you have no right to give richie a  dressing down imo.  And lets be honest i recon it will be pretty much most of us!

Er, no. I have never taken drugs and I have never bought stolen goods.