Simon Gerrard

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Dirty Dealings at CLEAN? New
« on: March 05, 2010, 02:46:07 pm »
With all this discussion on Truck Mounters forum about false addresses on Yell, I decided to check out CLEAN’s registered address, as posted on its website, not thinking  for a split second that I would find anything untoward. The CLEAN website lists the following address as its registered business address, the same address that it has listed under company number 07140299 at Companies House; Unit 2 Wheldon Road, Stoke-on-Trent ST4 4HW. First of all there is no Wheldon Road in Stoke-on-Trent, but there is a Whieldon Road, but that is the business premises of:  C J Transport, want proof? http://www.cjtransport.net/ 
Now ok, you can understand one error on the website, but when the same error appears in the company registration at Companies House and add to that the fact that there is no Wheldon Road in Stoke On Trent, but both have the same Unit number and postcode, you have to start asking yourself why would CLEAN be operating under a false address? In fact not just a false address, but someone else’s address. If they can’t even come CLEAN about their address, what else are they not telling us because the only people who give false addresses are crooks, or people with something to hide.



jasonl

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 02:53:53 pm »
A simple misspelling , with one letter different. CLEAN  using a mate /associates business address , nothing wrong with that , surely?
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Simon Gerrard

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 03:01:08 pm »
Jason,
I thought about that and so I rang CJ Transport and they have never heard of CLEAN Association but have been getting mail for them and aren't happy at their address being used in this way. Even if there was a Wheldon Road in S O T, it wouldn't have the same postcode, would it? This is a blatant copying of some else's business address and is illegal.
But Jason, ask yourself this, why when setting up a legitimate organisation would you want to use a mate or associates address when you could use your own? Surely the only reason you would do that is if you have something to hide.

Simon


jasonl

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 03:11:48 pm »

Mind you mistakes are easy to make , companies house lists a company in Wigan......


GERRARDS SPECIALIST CLEANING LIMITED


Yet on your website it says Gerrards specialist cleaning SERVICES limited.   IIRC if  your trading name deviates from what is registered at companies house , you need to note  the correct company name clearly visible.
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Simon Gerrard

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 03:28:39 pm »
You're splitting hairs there Jason. But fine, you think it's ok for CLEAN to have a false address, that's ok, I'm not interested in people like you, but the vast majority of people operate legitimate businesses, with correct addresses and have nothing to hide. Those people might want to know that CLEAN isn't clean at all and are using some else's business address as their own. If this was just a simple typo, why is there no Old Wheldon Road in S O T and even if there were it, wouldn't have the postcode ST4 4HW, would it?
Simon

jasonl

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 03:39:47 pm »
I am sure somebody from CLEAN will be along to explain shortly, so we can sleep soundly .

I do not think it is ok to have a false address at all , there will be a rational explanation ,,,,, now just sit back ,, unfold your stripy deckchair  and enjoy the view , and the great Stoke false address scandal will unfold this very evening.
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Doug Holloway

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2010, 04:25:58 pm »
Hi Guys

The agreement between the M.D, Dave Johnson of CJ Transport and the directors of CLEAN is confidential and is not for discussion .

However thankyou for pointing out the ommission of the i in Whieldon.

I suggest you sort out the wrong name on your website and we will ammend the mispelling on ours.

Cheers

Doug

Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2010, 04:34:50 pm »
Perhaps if we drowned anyone to do with CLEAN just to make sure they aren't witches, Simon could relax a little ;D ;D ;D

APPLEMAIDCLEANING

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 04:38:56 pm »
SPOT ON below
It is against the law to have your post sent to another person / business address!! if you have no contract with them or they are registered business centre / address

Karen Waterworth

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2010, 04:43:13 pm »
So it's that confidential that CLEAN does not have a sign at the entrance of CJ Transport stating that "this is the registered trading address of CLEAN" don't you have to do that?
And why would the people there not know anything about CLEAN, and could not figure out why post was arriving for CLEAN,
I think that MD needs to let his employees know!
It's a good job you did not turn up for a cup of tea and cake Simon, Nobody from CLEAN would of been there.

APPLEMAIDCLEANING

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 04:43:31 pm »
SPOT ON below
It is against the law to have your post sent to another person / business address!! if you have no contract with them or they are registered business centre / address - WITHOUT PERMISSION

Glynn

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 04:45:41 pm »
Limited company information is anyone business Doug, anyone can obtain it.
A director can't hide from people knowing who is is a director of.
Regards
Glynn

APPLEMAIDCLEANING

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 04:46:00 pm »
So it's that confidential that CLEAN does not have a sign at the entrance of CJ Transport stating that "this is the registered trading address of CLEAN" don't you have to do that?
And why would the people there not know anything about CLEAN, and could not figure out why post was arriving for CLEAN,
I think that MD needs to let his employees know!
It's a good job you did not turn up for a cup of tea and cake Simon, Nobody from CLEAN would of been there.

They must know about it to receive mail! if they bin it they are breaking the law, if they open it they are breaking the law - so must have it picked up or forward address but if they do not knwo about it then !!!  :o :o :o

APPLEMAIDCLEANING

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 04:48:33 pm »
How dose the postman find the address if no sign!! it must be addressed to CJ Transport,or Clean C/O CJ Transport

Glynn

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 04:58:07 pm »
Somethings wrong here, why use someone else's address in the first place ?.
Why not use the correct address - your own address.
A ltd company in the UK HAS to use their registered address where mail can be sent to and read by a director of the registered company, they are very strict on this. And if you are using someone else's address then it must be made known publicly and a sign displayed and staff who work there informed.
Regards
Glynn

Karen Waterworth

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 05:17:59 pm »
How dose the postman find the address if no sign!! it must be addressed to CJ Transport,or Clean C/O CJ Transport

The postman would go off the address line,
Anyway if they knew about CLEAN at CJ Transport why was the lady there going to companies house about it?
Oh by the way, I have checked this info out myself, not that I did not believe you Simon, but I did have to see for myself, I will not just write on here without doing so, as that would be unfair.
This using incorrect addresses thing is getting out of hand, I am getting sick of it. The internet is full of it, first yell.com now this!!

homenclean

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 05:22:18 pm »
Wow there must be a lot of quite carpet cleaners about if they are so concerned about somebody elses affairs.

There is obviously some needle between Gerrards and Clean.

As i am aware it is not illegal to have your trading address and registered address seperate, infact a friend has firm off accountants and they have several Ltd co`s regitered at there offices.

John

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 05:27:19 pm »
Doug,
So let me get this straight, you have a deal with the MD of CJ Transport to use his address as the registered address of CLEAN?

For the record, our website displays the name of the company, the company number, our vat registration number and telephone number, we are hiding nothing from prying eyes.

Simon



Doug Holloway

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 05:28:14 pm »
Hi Guys

Most limited companies have a registered address, quite often their accountants and a trading address which are different.

Some will use the same for both.

Arrangements between the directors of CLEAN and CJ Transport are for them to know.

Cheers

Doug

All good publicity for CLEAN though !

Matt Lindus

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 05:28:31 pm »
Give it 5 years and they will have 15 Ltd's and a thousand brands that hide another thousand brands, operating web based dishonesty the world over, using handling and communication company’s to do the dirty work whilst they sit undetected in with their sangria in Spain ;)

I have seen it done so many times.

Matt

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 05:39:44 pm »
Doug,

Well the MD of CJ Transport need to talk to his staff because apparently they have never heard of CLEAN and are sick of getting their mail.

Simon

Barry Livingstone

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 06:12:12 pm »
FFS Simon,

have you NOTHING better to do with your time are times slow, you putting me off comming on this forum due to your ongoing DIG at the CLEAN lot.....you need to get our more mate...

Am nothing to do with clean what so ever and after seeing your digs on truckmounters its no wonder all the tmers all over the country dont join you or talk on that forum, I think am talking for the ones that dont say much on this ....

But after all the years ive been on this i have to speak out all this crap is now having an affect on this forum It should be called Crap I Talk......as ive heard more poope on this site than any sunday paper or political party.......I had respect for you and the otther TMers on here......but your letting your self down wit this ongoing crap!

OK maybe you dont get on with the guys that run clean.....My dad used to say dont do your dirty washing in the street!!!!


so in a giver take your 3 hose truckmount and go have a gang thrash with your mates!!!

No wonder the sponsor of the sites got shot of it.... And if ive spelt something wrong.....Big deal after reading this forum from 2003 and seeing it go that far in the Gutter...... dont give a poop what you think about clean or what clean thinks about you......
Carpet, Upholstery cleaning & hard floor cleaning.
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jasonl

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 07:13:12 pm »
FFS Simon,

have you NOTHING better to do with your time are times slow, you putting me off comming on this forum due to your ongoing DIG at the CLEAN lot.....you need to get our more mate...

Am nothing to do with clean what so ever and after seeing your digs on truckmounters its no wonder all the tmers all over the country dont join you or talk on that forum, I think am talking for the ones that dont say much on this ....

But after all the years ive been on this i have to speak out all this crap is now having an affect on this forum It should be called Crap I Talk......as ive heard more poope on this site than any sunday paper or political party.......I had respect for you and the otther TMers on here......but your letting your self down wit this ongoing crap!

OK maybe you dont get on with the guys that run clean.....My dad used to say dont do your dirty washing in the street!!!!


so in a giver take your 3 hose truckmount and go have a gang thrash with your mates!!!

No wonder the sponsor of the sites got shot of it.... And if ive spelt something wrong.....Big deal after reading this forum from 2003 and seeing it go that far in the Gutter...... dont give a poop what you think about clean or what clean thinks about you......

It is best to see this forum as a pub,, you get nutters in a pub ,, Carling hard men, people with a bee in thier bonnet, some who talk sense , some who just listen.
If you see it like a pub , there is far less stress.
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Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 07:15:30 pm »
The only thing that I would really be interested in finding out is.... What is your beef with CLEAN Simon? If you could answer that in one sentence, maybe we could all have a better understanding of why you seem so L bent on destroying CLEAN, before it's even taken off!

When I was starting my business up, I didn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry (And Neil & Goron  ;D) knowing what my plans were.... Why should CLEAN be any different? Give them a chance and I bet my bottom dollar they'll prove themselves..... But to be honest, I really don't think anything you say will deter that many people from joining and supporting CLEAN!

Mike Halliday

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 07:25:44 pm »
I for one can't wait for Simons truck mount carpet cleaners association (TMCCA) to be up and running then we can see how an association should be set up and organised. I bet it really shows up these CLEAN upstarts

I think they are still deciding on a logo but it should'nt be long, I'm saving my subscription money to see what they are offering
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

will_turton

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2010, 07:39:15 pm »
 some really hard men behind a keyboard :o :o 

derek west

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 08:04:41 pm »
if clean fails theres always TACCA. ;D

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2010, 08:28:13 pm »
FFS Simon,

have you NOTHING better to do with your time are times slow, you putting me off comming on this forum due to your ongoing DIG at the CLEAN lot.....you need to get our more mate...

Am nothing to do with clean what so ever and after seeing your digs on truckmounters its no wonder all the tmers all over the country dont join you or talk on that forum, I think am talking for the ones that dont say much on this ....

But after all the years ive been on this i have to speak out all this crap is now having an affect on this forum It should be called Crap I Talk......as ive heard more poope on this site than any sunday paper or political party.......I had respect for you and the otther TMers on here......but your letting your self down wit this ongoing crap!

OK maybe you dont get on with the guys that run clean.....My dad used to say dont do your dirty washing in the street!!!!


so in a giver take your 3 hose truckmount and go have a gang thrash with your mates!!!

No wonder the sponsor of the sites got shot of it.... And if ive spelt something wrong.....Big deal after reading this forum from 2003 and seeing it go that far in the Gutter...... dont give a poop what you think about clean or what clean thinks about you......

CALM DOWN DEAR! lol

anyway, simple question.... why are using a different address than your own? Legal or illegal

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2010, 08:45:18 pm »
With all this discussion on Truck Mounters forum about false addresses on Yell, I decided to check out CLEAN’s registered address,

You really are a quality pric.k aren't you.
So you woke up this morning and thought "What shall I do today? The accounts, vehicle maint, service my truckmount, deal with yellow pages etc" "No, I know what I'll spend my time on, I waste numerous hours going through the CLEAN set up and then making phone calls, checking local maps etc."

And what did you do with all these irregularities? Phone Companies House, phone the Serious Fraud Squad, or perhaps contact one of the directors at CLEAN to see what was going on? Did you F--k. No you just wasted time logging onto this forum and typing up your thoughts on your findings, which might or might not have some substance.

Like I said Quality Pri.k

Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2010, 08:49:25 pm »
Anyone fancy a malt ;D ;D ;D

jasonl

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2010, 08:49:35 pm »
The best thing is , his own web site has bad  discrepancies, re company name /trading name not correctly listed!
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Stu.Clem

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2010, 08:50:08 pm »
Same poo diff day - nowt else better to  do than slate ur competition!??!! permission to use an address for whatever purpose, is permission granted, end of!!   look after your own business before someone else does...  or is it a bad case of "my boat is bigger than your boat....."   change the fooookin record !!!!  we all have adversaries - thats what makes life / biz interesting....  ps excuse any bad grammer / language / spelling

Stu - registered with co house @ my real address - direct line 07973 788278  ???

derek west

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2010, 08:57:40 pm »
go on then col, ya twisted my arm. on the rocks, shaken not stirred. ;D oh and bung an umbrella in it. i'm feeling posh tonight.

will_turton

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2010, 09:11:46 pm »
oh this is getting interesting, and its only 9 bells, wait till people have a few shandys

derek west

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2010, 09:30:37 pm »
have a malt will, sit back, put ya feet up and enjoy.
 
kicks the crap out of eastenders and corrie. ;D

Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2010, 09:42:28 pm »
 ;D Here's a double Derek :D

derek west

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2010, 09:47:55 pm »
don't know about that col, trying to design a 4 page leaflet here, might end up with 8.

ady p

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2010, 10:03:51 pm »
a couple of weeks ago Me and another member were locked out of c i u for our posts about clean . I thank Simon for looking into  the clean background and its really shown clean for what it is .
I dont like this clean at all,i see it as a money making scheme for a few ,and who gives anyone at clean the right to test my skills when i have done the ncca exam ,are they saying that this is not good enough , the whole idea from start to finish seems
less than above board ,im sure Ive upset the clean ,click on this web site , i take my hat of to simon for looking into clean ,from me ,simon well done mate. :)

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2010, 10:19:38 pm »
But he hasn't proven anything yet, the only thing he has proven is that the trading and registered addresses are different, which is common business practice for some.
Like I said if he thinks some law has been broken then he should have contacted the correct authorities to check it out, not put it on an open and public forum.
Now if CLEAN are totally above board on their setup then they would be within their rights to take Mr Trouble maker to court for slander. He wouldn't look so flippin clever then would he?

D Ingram

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2010, 10:27:39 pm »
Having worked along side Simon for a number of years and knowing the passion he has for this profession   I have to agree with all he is saying .

Having spent 30 years in this industry  I can tell you honestly the only winners are the ones behind the tills collecting your money!
Dave Ingram

will_turton

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2010, 10:32:12 pm »
but neil didnt you go on the boat for the big clean up op, so ur like there little puppy really

Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2010, 10:32:45 pm »
Having worked along side Simon for a number of years and knowing the passion he has for this profession   I have to agree with all he is saying .

Having spent 30 years in this industry  I can tell you honestly the only winners are the ones behind the tills collecting your money!


Like the NCCA you mean :P

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2010, 10:38:16 pm »
but neil didnt you go on the boat for the big clean up op, so ur like there little puppy really

Woof bluddy woof

will_turton

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2010, 10:40:47 pm »
theres a good boy

D Ingram

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2010, 10:48:19 pm »
Colin don't start me on the NCCA or you'll see posts as long as Simon's.

In short YES
Dave Ingram

Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2010, 11:01:56 pm »
Colin don't start me on the NCCA or you'll see posts as long as Simon's.

In short YES

Well if you see it like that, that's fair enough! But I'd like to think CLEAN are something completely different to NCCA... and not an alternative!

But if you never try you'll never know.... I suppose us "Puppies" will actually be "Guinea Pigs".... For £200 membership? That's a tenth of what I paid YP last year for a pretty dismal return.... But that's a different story! 

Matt Lindus

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2010, 11:06:16 pm »
If they were setting up an association to con people why would they choose carpet cleaners. All of the guys on this forum are desperately poor, lack adequate hygiene and live in squalor.

A sunny day out looks more like a shelter gathering, minus the soup & roll.

D Ingram

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2010, 11:12:53 pm »
Now come on Matt the last Sunny day I organised at Goodyears you all got soup & a roll ;)

Dave Ingram

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2010, 11:13:19 pm »
Matt, bugger off..

Ricky M

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2010, 11:23:02 pm »
With all this discussion on Truck Mounters forum about false addresses on Yell, I decided to check out CLEAN’s registered address, as posted on its website, not thinking  for a split second that I would find anything untoward. How wrong I was.   
As of 14:07 this afternoon the CLEAN website lists the following address as its registered business address, the same address that it has listed under company number 07140299 at Companies House; Unit 2 Wheldon Road, Stoke-on-Trent ST4 4HW. First of all there is no Wheldon Road in Stoke-on-Trent, but there is a Whieldon Road, but that is the business premises of:  C J Transport, want proof? http://www.cjtransport.net/ 
Now ok, you can understand one error on the website, but when the same error appears in the company registration at Companies House and add to that the fact that there is no Wheldon Road in Stoke On Trent, but magically both have the same Unit number and postcode, you have to start asking yourself the inevitable question, why would CLEAN be operating under a false address? In fact not just a false address, but someone else’s address. If they can’t even come CLEAN about their address, what else are they not telling us because the only people who give false addresses are crooks, or people with something to hide.

Simon


Hi simon , we chatted to today and as you stated you did NOT make the phone call to 1 of Dave's staff yourself ?? but you are mealy the vocals for some 1 that cant or wont post there insecurities about the CLEAN them selfs
Mid summer after myself David V Altomstone and Peter Sweeny viewed the site in question with the M.D of CJ TRANSPORT we thought this could be a fantastic venue to aid the skills and learning for CLEAN members. they are not the only company that work from this site !
 Dave Johnson M.D of CJ' TRASPORT made the no real decision  to inform all of his staff about us using his rather large site as 1 of the possible site's , but we came to the agreement that if we want too we CAN. It appears you and your call maker have real sour grapes for some reason , I only hope after 30 years in the industry I dont become so negative and blind to things that can and will make a positive impact on the cleaning industry as a whole for the consumers us operators.

I'm now at this point starting to feel sorry that in your own personal time you can not find something better to do with your time . I will be going to see Dave Johnson to bring all of this to his attention to see how he feel's about you personally bleeting on about his very trusted business.

Guys from clean: there are now 2 more possible venues for us to view north and south to make it easier for all to get too even though we thought going middle of the country was best but it will be mid summer before we can view/confirm due to situations from there end I feel it not right to into publicly.

  
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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2010, 11:40:05 pm »
Hi simon , we chatted to today and as you stated you did NOT make the phone call to 1 of Dave's staff yourself ?? but you are mealy the vocals for some

Not looking so clever now is he :o

Ricky M

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2010, 11:49:17 pm »
to further this I had a witness to my conversation who listened to both sides so not to put myself in a position as being underhand or making the conversation up 
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Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2010, 11:54:48 pm »
 Only time will tell. But I do think everyone is entitled to their opinion and that openness and honesty go hand in hand.
You might want to call Simon for what he is saying but at least he is been open about what he thinks wright or wrong depends on YOUR OWN view of things.

Regards Tony

STAY YOUNG HAVE FUN BE HAPPY xx
www.carpetcleanersbridlington.co.uk

derek west

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2010, 12:01:02 am »
Only time will tell. But I do think everyone is entitled to their opinion and that openness and honesty go hand in hand.
You might want to call Simon for what he is saying but at least he is been open about what he thinks wright or wrong depends on YOUR OWN view of things.

Regards Tony


have you got a sore arze like me tony, wish they'd make fences more comfortable ;D

Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2010, 12:07:02 am »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D lol
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Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2010, 12:09:04 am »
Only time will tell. But I do think everyone is entitled to their opinion and that openness and honesty go hand in hand.
You might want to call Simon for what he is saying but at least he is been open about what he thinks wright or wrong depends on YOUR OWN view of things.

Regards Tony



CLEAN are open and honest, they always answer the Simon's questions.... It's a shame Simon doesn't lead by example and be honest and open about his problem with CLEAN.... Although, I do actually know now..... ::) But I'll be interested to see Simon's spin on it.........

Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2010, 12:09:51 am »
Fallen of it a few times though Derek  ;D
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Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2010, 12:11:42 am »
Colin I never said they where not.

Regards Tony
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Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2010, 12:21:39 am »
Colin I never said they where not.

Regards Tony

And I never said that you said they were not..... ;D

Regards, Colin

Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2010, 12:27:23 am »
LOL  ;D
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Colin Day

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2010, 12:29:23 am »
My point is Tony, CLEAN explain themselves to Simon every time, then he comes out with some other conspiracy theory! The bloke's obviously unhappy that he hasn't beaten CLEAN to the post with his new association! He's gaining nothing but disrespect from us younger guys who hitherto, held him in high regard. He's probably a really nice fella, but behind his computer, he seems to be a bit of a stirrer for want of a slightly ruder word!

But hey, that's only my opinion ;)

Jason Hedges

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2010, 12:59:51 am »
Seems like there is a relatively simple explanation to this. Simon has been fed the wrong information again and acted on it.

Perhaps if people were to chill out a bit and let clean run its course then we would all be a bit wiser and can make up our own minds.

At the end of the day its not a race..... The ncca have been providing a service for many years now good or bad to many. Give the people behind clean a chance its the least they deserve for all their hard work ;)

Peace all :)

All the best,
Jason.

Ian Rochester

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2010, 05:59:30 am »
Being rather ignorant of the politics going on here, can someone enlighten me, is this to do with that cruise ship that Dave & Pete and a throng of other cleaners did recently with Porties?

I really am not in with the crowd, I try and concentrate the majority of my time on growing my own business rather than looking at others.

As for the fence, I've only just realised there's two sides to it  ::) 

Art

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2010, 09:25:16 am »
The only thing that I would really be interested in finding out is.... What is your beef with CLEAN Simon? If you could answer that in one sentence, maybe we could all have a better understanding of why you seem so L bent on destroying CLEAN, before it's even taken off!
When I was starting my business up, I didn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry (And Neil & Goron  ;D) knowing what my plans were.... Why should CLEAN be any different? Give them a chance and I bet my bottom dollar they'll prove themselves..... But to be honest, I really don't think anything you say will deter that many people from joining and supporting CLEAN!

That's the question that needs answering Simon..so come on tell us all what this is all about.

Unless you have the best interests of all carpet cleaners in the UK at heart and all your doing is making sure that they aren't going to be conned  ??? If that is the case then well done for taking the time out to discredit CLEAN.

Doesn't seem to be working out though, so what is the hidden agenda if there is one?

Karen Waterworth

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2010, 09:55:20 am »
Stop for one minute and think about what this topic has done................... tick tock.
Simon has pointed out a major error, (done by mistake or not each of us will make our own minds up and pay £200.00 or not) it's a good job he has because what if CLEAN was in the public eye, and one of the clients check them out just like Simon has, you would of done all that ground work for nothing.
If it is a typing error sort it out quick, and sack the company typist,

Anyway calm down and chill out
Love Karen

 

Art

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2010, 10:02:02 am »
Stop for one minute and think about what this topic has done................... tick tock.
Simon has pointed out a major error, (done by mistake or not each of us will make our own minds up and pay £200.00 or not) it's a good job he has because what if CLEAN was in the public eye, and one of the clients check them out just like Simon has, you would of done all that ground work for nothing.
If it is a typing error sort it out quick, and sack the company typist,

Anyway calm down and chill out
Love Karen

 

Hi Karen,

So Simon has got the best interests of CLEAN at heart then?

Arthur

Karen Waterworth

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2010, 10:10:10 am »
Arthur,
Good morning, how are you, have a good day, see you at show next week.
Karen



richie

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2010, 12:24:53 pm »
Having spoken to Simon a few weeks ago and also seeing all his posts regarding CLEAN i have come to the conclusion that its got nothing to do with him been jealous that CLEAN have started up.  If you take the time to read his posts carefully then you will realise that he has picked up on things that others have not.  He has pointed out that he would hold his hands up if proven wrong with anything that he has stated. Simon simply sees in many ways that CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association.  I think that people are to quick to judge against him even though i can see why they are doing so.  Just take a step back and read his posts and you will see for yourself that he does have other CCs interest at heart.

Richie.

Wayne Dean

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2010, 02:02:07 pm »
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Mark Lawrence

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2010, 02:21:10 pm »

...just a false address, ...the only people who give false addresses are crooks, or people with something to hide.

This is a blatant copying of some else's business address and is illegal....have something to hide.

...you think it's ok for CLEAN to have a false address, that's ok, I'm not interested in people like you, but the vast majority of people operate legitimate businesses, with correct addresses and have nothing to hide.


Of course Simon cares  ::)

I think its quite clear from the above that there are other issues involved, otherwise he would have described his so called concerns in such a way as not being vindictive.

Also Richie, your comment thats says Simon said: CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association - how can this be a statement unless its actually based on something? I for one would like to see PROOF of this statement - and I'm sure everyone who has read this and other threads would love to see too! SO COME ON SIMON PROVE IT! Stop firing misiles from behind the keyboard and tell everyone, cos we'd all love to know what the 100% facts are...or are you going to skirt round the issue like a politician as always?

I also think he could be verging on being done for malicious slander if he isnt careful :o?

Just my opinion.

Mark

Jon Tabbener

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2010, 02:40:05 pm »
i think if this was a money making racket they may have picked another industry don't you think  ;D,

if 200 people join that is only £40,000, do people really think all the guys at CLEAN are prepared to risk their reputation & their business for a few grand each.
Cleaner Carpets

derek west

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2010, 02:50:19 pm »
thought i'd stay out of this one, (yeah right ;D)at least untill steve or pete had a chance to set the record straight allthough thats not looking likely. theres a time for silence but i'm not sure this is the right time. if clean can't let fence sitters like me know whats going on, then how they gonna get the message across too jo public. simon keeps throwing clean a curve ball and its up to clean to keep knocking it out of the park, his arm will get sore eventually. ;D so long as everythings cosha.

just my threpence worth. nothing personal on both sides, god this fence is killing me, trust me to sit on iron railings :o

Steve. Taylor

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2010, 02:55:44 pm »
JUST A THOUGHT IF NO ONE REPLYS THE POST SLIPS AWAY.

Personally i would think no one knows how well CLEAN will do not even the guys who set it up but give it a chance and who knows.  I might climb down from the fence and join

As the saying goes a baby will crawl before walking, then it learns to run.
Steve T       All the gear but no idea!
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Ian Gourlay

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2010, 07:35:51 pm »
I for one can't wait for Simons truck mount carpet cleaners association (TMCCA) to be up and running then we can see how an association should be set up and organised. I bet it really shows up these CLEAN upstarts

I think they are still deciding on a logo but it should'nt be long, I'm saving my subscription money to see what they are offering
I am shocked I thought TMCCA  had been running for years.
Sorry I promised myself I would not get involved in any of this.
PS Mike what was the ones you guys in East Riding started


Art

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2010, 09:19:42 pm »
I for one can't wait for Simons truck mount carpet cleaners association (TMCCA) to be up and running then we can see how an association should be set up and organised. I bet it really shows up these CLEAN upstarts

I think they are still deciding on a logo but it should'nt be long, I'm saving my subscription money to see what they are offering
I am shocked I thought TMCCA  had been running for years.
Sorry I promised myself I would not get involved in any of this.
PS Mike what was the ones you guys in East Riding started



Not another load of con men  :o Come on Mike own up  ;D

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2010, 09:20:30 pm »
check them out just like Simon has,

So now we're back to Simon has '''''found''''' all this out himself, which contradicts what someone else along with a witness are saying.
Karen, as you and Simon are connected it would be nice if one of you would come forward and state what your grief is with CLEAN. Afterall and as I stated earlier in the thread, what made him get up in the morning and spend so much time and effort digging around the CLEAN setup?
It would be nice if this could be answered. Likewise you avoided answering a question from Art.

jasonl

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2010, 09:46:02 pm »
check them out just like Simon has,

So now we're back to Simon has '''''found''''' all this out himself, which contradicts what someone else along with a witness are saying.
Karen, as you and Simon are connected it would be nice if one of you would come forward and state what your grief is with CLEAN. Afterall and as I stated earlier in the thread, what made him get up in the morning and spend so much time and effort digging around the CLEAN setup?
It would be nice if this could be answered. Likewise you avoided answering a question from Art.

I am on the fence too ,, Simon could have found out the information in 5 minutes max ,, it took me 2 minutes to find out dodgy stuff about Simons company name,  it is clearly just a name misspell on the part of CLEAN, and Simon clearly added a word into his company name. Both things are easily sorted.
How anybody can have any beef with CLEAN which is barely launced is beyond me. Personally they could have saved a whole load of effort by going in en masse and getting 3 or 4 key appointments on the NCCA board , and benefitted from the already set up  organisation, and made the changes from within ,, seems like way too much effort and hassle they have gone to in CLEAN. I am positive they will have a degree of success though.
I clean carpets
I dry Buildings

richie

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2010, 09:56:25 pm »
Mark Lawrence..... Below is what you copied n pasted from my reply. You have done it in such a way that makes it say something totally different to what my post actually said..........

Also Richie, your comment thats says Simon said: CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association -

HOWEVER, this is what i posted..........

Simon simply sees in many ways that CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association.  I think that people are to quick to judge against him even though i can see why they are doing so.  Just take a step back and read his posts and you will see for yourself that he does have other CCs interest at heart.

Richie.
PS
From reading Simons posts and seeing the occasional reply from someone within CLEAN i actually feel that it does appear like it appears that the wool is been pulled over eyes. To many things seem to be secretive or misleading

Mark Lawrence

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2010, 10:34:29 pm »
Just stating what Simon said, his words not mine. Yes its shocking to read but thats what was posted. I dont know how the mods on here even alllowed such malicious comments TBH.

Anyway, I wonder if he will post his proof of his bizarre suspicions of CLEAN? Oh no wait, thats right - he cant because there isnt any ::)

So logically, technically and probably lawfully - its just hearsay nonsense that bears no truth to reality and should be ignored as such.

I think insulting the intelligence of members of this forum by dragging this rubbish on, has really gone far enough - and think most sensible people already know this. I for one certainly wont be wasting anymore time on this thread or any others like it.

Mark

Doug Holloway

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #79 on: March 07, 2010, 12:43:18 am »
Hi Guys

As a moderator and also a director of CLEAN , it has been a difficult one to judge.

I think it was fairly obvious to anyone that an i was missing in the address, hardly a major issue.

My experience of Moderating these sorts of things is that it is better to let them run sometimes, as Mark says if there was any evidence it would have been produced.

It's easy to degenerate into the 'I will sue you type of argument' but the nature of forums is that they are largely based on opinion and this will lead to differences.

For my part I am and have been for some time, keen to raise the whole technical and practical perception of how the public perceive our industry.

Cheers

Doug

Karen Waterworth

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #80 on: March 07, 2010, 06:55:13 am »
Neil “please” What are you trying to imply? :o I'm a married women

I did not answer Arthur because I can not, as I don’t know,
I could tell you what my problem is though, but by posting it on here, no one would read it correctly, some would just cut and paste it in a different way, so it would look like I was on a personal mission to shut them down before they had a chance to start. That is not my intention, (that is the trouble with writing down what you mean, the other person can miss understand what you are trying to say)
Anyway here goes I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CLEAN.
I have said in other posts I wish them the best, as it is a good idea and will work of some cc’s, and if it raises public awareness then that would be the best thing since sliced bread. 

I just wish that information about CLEAN would stay under wraps until they are properly ready. But some of the insiders of CLEAN are putting information on the boards, which is not making sense, but would make sense if all the information was there. Which by nature is making some people question their motives and or ask questions. A prime example of this is when you wrote on one topic who is Karen Waterworth, no doubt you look for information on me. Only natural. You asked the question I answered.

My reply number 64 was I thought a balanced comment, I thought I would join Derek on that fence.

Karen



Goldfinch PCS

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2010, 12:19:30 am »
Wow there must be a lot of quite carpet cleaners about if they are so concerned about somebody elses affairs.

There is obviously some needle between Gerrards and Clean.

As i am aware it is not illegal to have your trading address and registered address seperate, infact a friend has firm off accountants and they have several Ltd co`s regitered at there offices.

John


This is certainly true. Your registration address and trading address can be separate.  The rules only require you to respond to company house correspondent or any legal documents served to your registered address.   There are also clear benefits to do this, but if you ask your accountants the right questions they will and should answer honestly. To be frank this is what every trader should be doing, going ltd and reaping the benefits(tax etc.). I am doing this come April and my registered address is in a building I have never seen and don't care to see. The company handling the registration forwards all correspondent sent to the registered address to my trading address.
Goldfinch PCS
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peter maybury

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2010, 12:10:34 pm »
I think that I speak for many that have been in the industry for a long time but I personally have a lot of major concerns about the setting up of Clean and the way it is being done. I fail to see how a few people from our industry can meet in private and decide that they can appoint themselves to represent us, the industry. ,I don't feel, is credible.  With true associations an A.G.M. is held where the members vote for positions that people hold in that association. Are the members going to be given that opportunity after paying their fees? If not then it is not an association in the true sense. Many of the people in the industry have seen organisations  set up before,  albeit "non profit making" where the directors and their other businesses have profited at the cost of members.
There are also a lot of other concerns that I have. I read a lot of badly used technical terms and mis-appropriate terms on this forum, often used also by the organisers of clean, and ask myself how these people can improve the customers perceptions of our industry.
Our industry is fragmented as it is now without fragmenting it further. Anyone serious about wanting to improve the industry could do so through the NCCA as it would only take a handful of people to turn up to the AGM to vote themselves into the positions they want.

Peter
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D Ingram

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #83 on: March 08, 2010, 06:04:29 pm »
Well said Peter and as they say they are working on behalf of the cleaners to raise awareness with the public and where better to do this than in the NCCA. If this ever happened I for one would welcome it with open arms and after 30 odd yrs pushing a wand I might even sign up to the NCCA.

But we all know that they would not have a cat in hells chance to opperate the way they intend to within the NCCA
Dave Ingram

Peter Sweeney

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #84 on: March 08, 2010, 06:19:58 pm »
Peter,

As said before, all the meetings were open and anyone was invited. There are no secrets. Again, I would like to thank all for the relentless pr and we have over shot our target for member interest by quite a long way.

I'm glad the address issue is clear and that it is obvious nothing underhand is going on. If anyone wants to know more about what we are doing or wish to help then feel free to get in touch.

Pete

peter maybury

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2010, 06:36:37 pm »
Peter
where were the meetings advertised ?

Peter Sweeney

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #86 on: March 08, 2010, 06:38:38 pm »
On the CCDO forum, we did not have permnission from anyone else.

Pete

ianharper

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2010, 08:00:41 pm »
Guys

meetings have always been open to anyone. if you had gone to the last one you would have seen a act of great kindness. Dave L bought the meal that everyone that attended eat. and in response to this everyone chipped in what they would have spend as a donation for johns kids.

now all these carpet cleaners would not tell you this because they did it for the right reasons.

I think we need to look at ourselves as a professional and i don't mean from our customers view.

As you may or know or not i am into lots of marketing ideas and i have just received a DVD pack for outrageous marketing which is backed by Dan Kennedy who wrote the JP stuff.

Now on these dvd's Dan tell the attendants about the only sales letter that he has wrote in his working life that was refused to be use by a client. that client was JP

The sale letter was a follow up to the 20 - 20 TV program that JP did. now this has to be an all time best effort for anyone to get carpet cleaners in the public eye.

The sales letter was about this TV show and the death threats that JP got because of it.

Whatever you think about JP no one would want to be associated with this type of thing.

We have to start to stop being so childish and I for one can stand up and say that i have been childish over CLEAN issue. we need to get behind this and start to make changes to OUR public standing.

Lets be professional and educate the public that we are PROFERSSIONALS

These guys in CLEAN are just like you and me they are doing their very best.

Lets try and help them and not make things hard for them. after all if they are successful we all benefit.

just think that Dan Kennedy is standing up in a top boot camp and telling everyone what we are like. I know we can be better but we just need to trust, trust is earned give CLEAN a chance to earn it.

if you where excited about something it would be hard for you to keep it to yourself they believe in what they are doing is going to change things and i am starting to see that myself.

How can we want to be treated as professionals if we don't act that way.

Respects

Ian Harper

richie

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Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #88 on: March 09, 2010, 01:17:54 pm »
Ian,
Are you saying that because some people are asking questions about how clean is CLEAN these people are childish & not professionals?

Richie.
PS
If you want to be professional yourself may i suggest that when you write the word PROFESSIONAL in capital letters you spell it correctly.  ;D ;D ;D

ianharper

Re: Dirty Dealings at CLEAN?
« Reply #89 on: March 09, 2010, 02:49:15 pm »
Richie

just talking about myself