[Colin Day]

My point is Tony, CLEAN explain themselves to Simon every time, then he comes out with some other conspiracy theory! The bloke's obviously unhappy that he hasn't beaten CLEAN to the post with his new association! He's gaining nothing but disrespect from us younger guys who hitherto, held him in high regard. He's probably a really nice fella, but behind his computer, he seems to be a bit of a stirrer for want of a slightly ruder word!

But hey, that's only my opinion

[Jason Hedges]

Seems like there is a relatively simple explanation to this. Simon has been fed the wrong information again and acted on it.

Perhaps if people were to chill out a bit and let clean run its course then we would all be a bit wiser and can make up our own minds.

At the end of the day its not a race..... The ncca have been providing a service for many years now good or bad to many. Give the people behind clean a chance its the least they deserve for all their hard work

Peace all

All the best,
Jason.

[Ian Rochester]

Being rather ignorant of the politics going on here, can someone enlighten me, is this to do with that cruise ship that Dave & Pete and a throng of other cleaners did recently with Porties?

I really am not in with the crowd, I try and concentrate the majority of my time on growing my own business rather than looking at others.

As for the fence, I've only just realised there's two sides to it  : 

[Art]

The only thing that I would really be interested in finding out is.... What is your beef with CLEAN Simon? If you could answer that in one sentence, maybe we could all have a better understanding of why you seem so L bent on destroying CLEAN, before it's even taken off!
When I was starting my business up, I didn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry (And Neil & Goron  ) knowing what my plans were.... Why should CLEAN be any different? Give them a chance and I bet my bottom dollar they'll prove themselves..... But to be honest, I really don't think anything you say will deter that many people from joining and supporting CLEAN!

That's the question that needs answering Simon..so come on tell us all what this is all about.

Unless you have the best interests of all carpet cleaners in the UK at heart and all your doing is making sure that they aren't going to be conned  If that is the case then well done for taking the time out to discredit CLEAN.

Doesn't seem to be working out though, so what is the hidden agenda if there is one?

[Karen Waterworth]

Stop for one minute and think about what this topic has done................... tick tock.
Simon has pointed out a major error, (done by mistake or not each of us will make our own minds up and pay £200.00 or not) it's a good job he has because what if CLEAN was in the public eye, and one of the clients check them out just like Simon has, you would of done all that ground work for nothing.
If it is a typing error sort it out quick, and sack the company typist,

Anyway calm down and chill out
Love Karen

 

[Art]

Stop for one minute and think about what this topic has done................... tick tock.
Simon has pointed out a major error, (done by mistake or not each of us will make our own minds up and pay £200.00 or not) it's a good job he has because what if CLEAN was in the public eye, and one of the clients check them out just like Simon has, you would of done all that ground work for nothing.
If it is a typing error sort it out quick, and sack the company typist,

Anyway calm down and chill out
Love Karen

 

Hi Karen,

So Simon has got the best interests of CLEAN at heart then?

Arthur

[Karen Waterworth]

Arthur,
Good morning, how are you, have a good day, see you at show next week.
Karen

[richie]

Having spoken to Simon a few weeks ago and also seeing all his posts regarding CLEAN i have come to the conclusion that its got nothing to do with him been jealous that CLEAN have started up.  If you take the time to read his posts carefully then you will realise that he has picked up on things that others have not.  He has pointed out that he would hold his hands up if proven wrong with anything that he has stated. Simon simply sees in many ways that CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association.  I think that people are to quick to judge against him even though i can see why they are doing so.  Just take a step back and read his posts and you will see for yourself that he does have other CCs interest at heart.

Richie.

[Wayne Dean]

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[Mark Lawrence]

...just a false address, ...the only people who give false addresses are crooks, or people with something to hide.

This is a blatant copying of some else's business address and is illegal....have something to hide.

...you think it's ok for CLEAN to have a false address, that's ok, I'm not interested in people like you, but the vast majority of people operate legitimate businesses, with correct addresses and have nothing to hide.

Of course Simon cares  :

I think its quite clear from the above that there are other issues involved, otherwise he would have described his so called concerns in such a way as not being vindictive.

Also Richie, your comment thats says Simon said: CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association - how can this be a statement unless its actually based on something? I for one would like to see PROOF of this statement - and I'm sure everyone who has read this and other threads would love to see too! SO COME ON SIMON PROVE IT! Stop firing misiles from behind the keyboard and tell everyone, cos we'd all love to know what the 100% facts are...or are you going to skirt round the issue like a politician as always?

I also think he could be verging on being done for malicious slander if he isnt careful ?

Just my opinion.

Mark

[Jon Tabbener]

i think if this was a money making racket they may have picked another industry don't you think  ,

if 200 people join that is only £40,000, do people really think all the guys at CLEAN are prepared to risk their reputation & their business for a few grand each.

[derek west]

thought i'd stay out of this one, (yeah right )at least untill steve or pete had a chance to set the record straight allthough thats not looking likely. theres a time for silence but i'm not sure this is the right time. if clean can't let fence sitters like me know whats going on, then how they gonna get the message across too jo public. simon keeps throwing clean a curve ball and its up to clean to keep knocking it out of the park, his arm will get sore eventually. so long as everythings cosha.

just my threpence worth. nothing personal on both sides, god this fence is killing me, trust me to sit on iron railings

[Steve. Taylor]

JUST A THOUGHT IF NO ONE REPLYS THE POST SLIPS AWAY.

Personally i would think no one knows how well CLEAN will do not even the guys who set it up but give it a chance and who knows.  I might climb down from the fence and join

As the saying goes a baby will crawl before walking, then it learns to run.

[Ian Gourlay]

I for one can't wait for Simons truck mount carpet cleaners association (TMCCA) to be up and running then we can see how an association should be set up and organised. I bet it really shows up these CLEAN upstarts

I think they are still deciding on a logo but it should'nt be long, I'm saving my subscription money to see what they are offering

I am shocked I thought TMCCA  had been running for years.
Sorry I promised myself I would not get involved in any of this.
PS Mike what was the ones you guys in East Riding started

[Art]

I for one can't wait for Simons truck mount carpet cleaners association (TMCCA) to be up and running then we can see how an association should be set up and organised. I bet it really shows up these CLEAN upstarts

I think they are still deciding on a logo but it should'nt be long, I'm saving my subscription money to see what they are offering

I am shocked I thought TMCCA  had been running for years.
Sorry I promised myself I would not get involved in any of this.
PS Mike what was the ones you guys in East Riding started

Not another load of con men  Come on Mike own up 

[Neil Williams]

check them out just like Simon has,

So now we're back to Simon has '''''found''''' all this out himself, which contradicts what someone else along with a witness are saying.
Karen, as you and Simon are connected it would be nice if one of you would come forward and state what your grief is with CLEAN. Afterall and as I stated earlier in the thread, what made him get up in the morning and spend so much time and effort digging around the CLEAN setup?
It would be nice if this could be answered. Likewise you avoided answering a question from Art.

[jasonl]

check them out just like Simon has,

So now we're back to Simon has '''''found''''' all this out himself, which contradicts what someone else along with a witness are saying.
Karen, as you and Simon are connected it would be nice if one of you would come forward and state what your grief is with CLEAN. Afterall and as I stated earlier in the thread, what made him get up in the morning and spend so much time and effort digging around the CLEAN setup?
It would be nice if this could be answered. Likewise you avoided answering a question from Art.

I am on the fence too ,, Simon could have found out the information in 5 minutes max ,, it took me 2 minutes to find out dodgy stuff about Simons company name,  it is clearly just a name misspell on the part of CLEAN, and Simon clearly added a word into his company name. Both things are easily sorted.
How anybody can have any beef with CLEAN which is barely launced is beyond me. Personally they could have saved a whole load of effort by going in en masse and getting 3 or 4 key appointments on the NCCA board , and benefitted from the already set up  organisation, and made the changes from within ,, seems like way too much effort and hassle they have gone to in CLEAN. I am positive they will have a degree of success though.

[richie]

Mark Lawrence..... Below is what you copied n pasted from my reply. You have done it in such a way that makes it say something totally different to what my post actually said..........

Also Richie, your comment thats says Simon said: CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association -

HOWEVER, this is what i posted..........

Simon simply sees in many ways that CLEAN are just out to make money off anyone that joins the association.  I think that people are to quick to judge against him even though i can see why they are doing so.  Just take a step back and read his posts and you will see for yourself that he does have other CCs interest at heart.

Richie.
PS
From reading Simons posts and seeing the occasional reply from someone within CLEAN i actually feel that it does appear like it appears that the wool is been pulled over eyes. To many things seem to be secretive or misleading

[Mark Lawrence]

Just stating what Simon said, his words not mine. Yes its shocking to read but thats what was posted. I dont know how the mods on here even alllowed such malicious comments TBH.

Anyway, I wonder if he will post his proof of his bizarre suspicions of CLEAN? Oh no wait, thats right - he cant because there isnt any :

So logically, technically and probably lawfully - its just hearsay nonsense that bears no truth to reality and should be ignored as such.

I think insulting the intelligence of members of this forum by dragging this rubbish on, has really gone far enough - and think most sensible people already know this. I for one certainly wont be wasting anymore time on this thread or any others like it.

Mark

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

As a moderator and also a director of CLEAN , it has been a difficult one to judge.

I think it was fairly obvious to anyone that an i was missing in the address, hardly a major issue.

My experience of Moderating these sorts of things is that it is better to let them run sometimes, as Mark says if there was any evidence it would have been produced.

It's easy to degenerate into the 'I will sue you type of argument' but the nature of forums is that they are largely based on opinion and this will lead to differences.

For my part I am and have been for some time, keen to raise the whole technical and practical perception of how the public perceive our industry.

Cheers

Doug