[Simon Gerrard]

With all this discussion on Truck Mounters forum about false addresses on Yell, I decided to check out CLEAN’s registered address, as posted on its website, not thinking  for a split second that I would find anything untoward. The CLEAN website lists the following address as its registered business address, the same address that it has listed under company number 07140299 at Companies House; Unit 2 Wheldon Road, Stoke-on-Trent ST4 4HW. First of all there is no Wheldon Road in Stoke-on-Trent, but there is a Whieldon Road, but that is the business premises of:  C J Transport, want proof? http://www.cjtransport.net/ 
Now ok, you can understand one error on the website, but when the same error appears in the company registration at Companies House and add to that the fact that there is no Wheldon Road in Stoke On Trent, but both have the same Unit number and postcode, you have to start asking yourself why would CLEAN be operating under a false address? In fact not just a false address, but someone else’s address. If they can’t even come CLEAN about their address, what else are they not telling us because the only people who give false addresses are crooks, or people with something to hide.

[jasonl]

A simple misspelling , with one letter different. CLEAN  using a mate /associates business address , nothing wrong with that , surely?

[Simon Gerrard]

Jason,
I thought about that and so I rang CJ Transport and they have never heard of CLEAN Association but have been getting mail for them and aren't happy at their address being used in this way. Even if there was a Wheldon Road in S O T, it wouldn't have the same postcode, would it? This is a blatant copying of some else's business address and is illegal.
But Jason, ask yourself this, why when setting up a legitimate organisation would you want to use a mate or associates address when you could use your own? Surely the only reason you would do that is if you have something to hide.

Simon

[jasonl]

Mind you mistakes are easy to make , companies house lists a company in Wigan......


GERRARDS SPECIALIST CLEANING LIMITED


Yet on your website it says Gerrards specialist cleaning SERVICES limited.   IIRC if  your trading name deviates from what is registered at companies house , you need to note  the correct company name clearly visible.

[Simon Gerrard]

You're splitting hairs there Jason. But fine, you think it's ok for CLEAN to have a false address, that's ok, I'm not interested in people like you, but the vast majority of people operate legitimate businesses, with correct addresses and have nothing to hide. Those people might want to know that CLEAN isn't clean at all and are using some else's business address as their own. If this was just a simple typo, why is there no Old Wheldon Road in S O T and even if there were it, wouldn't have the postcode ST4 4HW, would it?
Simon

[jasonl]

I am sure somebody from CLEAN will be along to explain shortly, so we can sleep soundly .

I do not think it is ok to have a false address at all , there will be a rational explanation ,,,,, now just sit back ,, unfold your stripy deckchair  and enjoy the view , and the great Stoke false address scandal will unfold this very evening.

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

The agreement between the M.D, Dave Johnson of CJ Transport and the directors of CLEAN is confidential and is not for discussion .

However thankyou for pointing out the ommission of the i in Whieldon.

I suggest you sort out the wrong name on your website and we will ammend the mispelling on ours.

Cheers

Doug

[Colin Day]

Perhaps if we drowned anyone to do with CLEAN just to make sure they aren't witches, Simon could relax a little

[APPLEMAIDCLEANING]

SPOT ON below
It is against the law to have your post sent to another person / business address!! if you have no contract with them or they are registered business centre / address

[Karen Waterworth]

So it's that confidential that CLEAN does not have a sign at the entrance of CJ Transport stating that "this is the registered trading address of CLEAN" don't you have to do that?
And why would the people there not know anything about CLEAN, and could not figure out why post was arriving for CLEAN,
I think that MD needs to let his employees know!
It's a good job you did not turn up for a cup of tea and cake Simon, Nobody from CLEAN would of been there.

[APPLEMAIDCLEANING]

SPOT ON below
It is against the law to have your post sent to another person / business address!! if you have no contract with them or they are registered business centre / address - WITHOUT PERMISSION

[Glynn]

Limited company information is anyone business Doug, anyone can obtain it.
A director can't hide from people knowing who is is a director of.

[APPLEMAIDCLEANING]

So it's that confidential that CLEAN does not have a sign at the entrance of CJ Transport stating that "this is the registered trading address of CLEAN" don't you have to do that?
And why would the people there not know anything about CLEAN, and could not figure out why post was arriving for CLEAN,
I think that MD needs to let his employees know!
It's a good job you did not turn up for a cup of tea and cake Simon, Nobody from CLEAN would of been there.

They must know about it to receive mail! if they bin it they are breaking the law, if they open it they are breaking the law - so must have it picked up or forward address but if they do not knwo about it then !!!  

[APPLEMAIDCLEANING]

How dose the postman find the address if no sign!! it must be addressed to CJ Transport,or Clean C/O CJ Transport

[Glynn]

Somethings wrong here, why use someone else's address in the first place ?.
Why not use the correct address - your own address.
A ltd company in the UK HAS to use their registered address where mail can be sent to and read by a director of the registered company, they are very strict on this. And if you are using someone else's address then it must be made known publicly and a sign displayed and staff who work there informed.

[Karen Waterworth]

How dose the postman find the address if no sign!! it must be addressed to CJ Transport,or Clean C/O CJ Transport

The postman would go off the address line,
Anyway if they knew about CLEAN at CJ Transport why was the lady there going to companies house about it?
Oh by the way, I have checked this info out myself, not that I did not believe you Simon, but I did have to see for myself, I will not just write on here without doing so, as that would be unfair.
This using incorrect addresses thing is getting out of hand, I am getting sick of it. The internet is full of it, first yell.com now this!!

[homenclean]

Wow there must be a lot of quite carpet cleaners about if they are so concerned about somebody elses affairs.

There is obviously some needle between Gerrards and Clean.

As i am aware it is not illegal to have your trading address and registered address seperate, infact a friend has firm off accountants and they have several Ltd co`s regitered at there offices.

John

[Simon Gerrard]

Doug,
So let me get this straight, you have a deal with the MD of CJ Transport to use his address as the registered address of CLEAN?

For the record, our website displays the name of the company, the company number, our vat registration number and telephone number, we are hiding nothing from prying eyes.

Simon

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

Most limited companies have a registered address, quite often their accountants and a trading address which are different.

Some will use the same for both.

Arrangements between the directors of CLEAN and CJ Transport are for them to know.

Cheers

Doug

All good publicity for CLEAN though !

[Matt Lindus]

Give it 5 years and they will have 15 Ltd's and a thousand brands that hide another thousand brands, operating web based dishonesty the world over, using handling and communication company’s to do the dirty work whilst they sit undetected in with their sangria in Spain

I have seen it done so many times.

Matt