[fitz2kleen]

Glynn



Derek Walker gave me £100 in cash today to the John Gregory fund and did'nt want it to be mentioned. Thats a gent in the true form. How much will you and Simon be contributing?

Pete

What an appalling way to get one upmanship, you said yourself he didnt want it mentioned so why are you going against his wishes???
if you cant respect someones request for anonymity what else do you have you no respect for?

[cleaningmaster]

What no one else has picked up on is, are those who are setting out the questions,  qualified to do so ? Are they industry standards or their own interpretations??

If they are industry standards then anyone who has passed the NCCA should pass.

I could see some people who have been in the industry for quite a few years, and done loads of exams, could be upset to some degree by being more qualified than those setting out the exam questions.

This is not a knock just an observation.

Regards

Daryl

[expro]

Jasonl

I am neither for nor against C.L.E.A.N but I will not join them.

 I do think it is time for you to"stop digging now".

Expro

ps
Re Bitumen bleed
Alkaline products with a hidden solvent content can also cause it

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Daryl

The exam questions have been compiled by Doug Holloway - there aren't too many guys with more knowledge and experience.

As far as being industry approved is concerned - someone with zero experience in carpet cleaning can pass the NCCA exam.

[expro]

Daryl

SPOT ON .

WILL CLEAN PLEASE BE OPEN AND ABOVE BOARD AND SAY WHO HAS SET THE QUESTIONS TO
 THE EXAM /ASSESSMENT?

 Just seen it is Doug Holloway.

 What is his experience as a lecturer for a manufacturer or industry approved training organisation.?

[derek west]

Jasonl

I am neither for nor against C.L.E.A.N but I will not join them.

 I do think it is time for you to"stop digging now".

Expro

ps
Re Bitumen bleed
Alkaline products with a hidden solvent content can also cause it

sorry, thought you said "other than solvent"

anyway we've done tests and waterbased solvents don't seem to have much effect on bitumen.

[cleaningmaster]

Steve i agree totally what you said about the NCCA. Thats why i said they SHOULD pass.

Doug may be knowlegeable and experienced, but is he qualified? Its just an observation because i thought that you have to be qualified ie teachers etc before you set exams.

No disrespect to Doug its just a question.

Regards

Daryl

[expro]

sorry, thought you said "other than solvent
anyway we've done tests and waterbased solvents don't seem to have much effect on bitumen.

Derek

Over application of some traffic lane cleaners and a long dwell time can cause bitumen bleed as
can failure to remove citrus based products.

Expro

[derek west]

sorry, thought you said "other than solvent
anyway we've done tests and waterbased solvents don't seem to have much effect on bitumen.

Derek

Over application of some traffic lane cleaners and a long dwell time can cause bitumen bleed as
can failure to remove citrus based products.

Expro

name one, i'll do a test.

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Hi Daryl

Why do you need to be qualified as a teacher to compile questions for an exam ? This is an entrance exam for membership acceptance into CLEAN.

I would suggest that with Doug's technical background he is more qualified than most to set the questions.


Steve

[expro]

 Derek

I Won't name them on this Forum but try propriety brands and use them hot [65c].

Also try citrus products worked in and only blotted out.

It's true that citrus/ traffic lane products should be safe if used as intended but it also
depends on the age of the bitumen backed tiles.

Expro

[expro]

Steve

Without industry trained and approved trainers the associations credibility has to to be

questioned.

[Neil Williams]

Jeez, who said anything about training so why would they need a qualified TRAINER?

[cleaningmaster]

Hi Steve , i didnt mean to be qualified as a teacher, a teacher is qualified to set questions to pupils.

Qualifications in carpet cleaning to set questions for carpet cleaners.

Regards

Daryl

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

Expro

With respect, our credibility and very existence has been questioned since the day we launched.

The bottom line is - if you want to join CLEAN you have to pass an entrance exam set by one of the Directors of CLEAN.

Steve

[derek west]

expro
tried citra boost neat, rubbed in and still no transfer, left it on for, well its still on there now and still no bleed.

not tried it hot though, might try that now as i really am fed up of jay jay the jet plane

[derek west]

my next experiment, mwa! mwa! mwahhhhh mwahhhhh haaaa haaaaaaaa

[Peter Sweeney]

Just to clarify, Derek did not say don't say anything as he was not looking for any praise but on the basis that it might spur others to be generous then he and I agreed we would mention it.
 
Pete

[jasonl]

expro
tried citra boost neat, rubbed in and still no transfer, left it on for, well its still on there now and still no bleed.

not tried it hot though, might try that now as i really am fed up of jay jay the jet plane

Derek ,, Bitumen can bleed in hot weather especially when magnified through glass on a very hot day. Probably this problem would best be corrected using a low moisture method.

[expro]

Jay Jay Whoops!!!! Sorry Derek

Leave it on for a long period like overnight.

The reason I say this is because some people agitate it in and just blot out without

rinsing it away. That's where the problems come from especially on spot removal
and on very old tiles its even quicker.
Expro