[C-N-C]

Hiya Guy's....
Hittin us all now our nightmare ,frozen pipes,reels,tanks...the list goes on........
Nothing worse than going to work to find out nawt working,jets froze,reels froze....etc....

if we had warmish water in our tanks or some sort ov van aux heater to keep the van from freezing...we would be fine.....
You can buy a fishtank heater etc for a tenner....240v keeps water at the temp u want.....i know diff volt but theres gadgets to change that.
U can buy a parrafin heater cheap........keep the van warm(stinks tho )
carnt ex drive about & leave it burning away :

Surely there must be something we can all use to keep our water at a temp to use on a cold day?
The price ov the thermo....  hot water systems are stupid....even the cheaper add ons £3000 plus....EH!!!!!!
You can buy a combi-boiler for fraction price
Are these company's cashin in on our needs....its not realistic paying that sort ov coin for a few weeks ov ice
Just rammbiling on :,but i'd be very intrested if anyone gave it a go at a diy system etc......

HAPPY CHRISTMAS FELLA'S

Kindest regards

J

[mark dew]

How about an electric blanket?
Look on the 'this will keep water tanks warm' thread for a cheap portable option.

[matt]

its been done hasnt it ? ? ?

the L5 heater

my take on this heater and the arguements against it

the biggest arguement seems to be the issue of having it run whilst you are not near the van, well thats easy to get over

get yourself a 100 L tank, insulate it, run your L5 into that whilst you unreel your hose / get poles out etc etc

that water will stay hot in a insulated tank for a while, long enough to work with

then fill top up when you are close to your van whilst reeling in / putting away poles etc etc

[dazmond]

there are various threads on here about people using heaters to keep everything freezing up but i just use a trad pole for upstairs windows in freezing weather with screenwash in my bucket and leave windows above flat roofs until next time.ok on normal domestic work.keeps me ticking over and paying my bills.works well for me.no freezing water on the ground etc.when i do go wfp i will still use this method in really cold weather.

regards

dazmond

[jonnyald]

no point in you guys just putting a heater in your vans as HOT AIR RISES  and itll only be the air high up thatll be warm wont it .  you need to have some kind of heat source/pad UNDER  your tank   

  and put a really good insulated jacket over the top of your tank

[geefree]

 : heater in your van on a timer ... works like a dream....the rest is impossible to avoid... water freezing on glass...

tubes and hoses freezing during the day etc.

warming the van overnight is the easy bit.

[wizard]

Why no use insulatio the solid board type and fit under floor heating under the tank which you put on at nite then use a l5 to pre heat while you set up dinrect into main tank and also when you pack up after each job.i know one get under carpet heating that is some sort of fibre net.Thsi would be perfect for keepinf you tank warm.

[AuRavelling79]

To my mind there are three issues - keeping r/o, tank, hoses and pump frost free; water freezing at point of delivery; and freezing on the ground afterwards.

If you have access to mains electricity the first is readily solved. Cover your tanks with polystyrene foam and maybe add ply on top of that. Put an oil filled radiator in your van at night.

Your van is sorted.

R/O and holding tank - insulate and put your tank on a pallet on breeze blocks and put an oil filled rad underneath it and a small bottle heater in with your R/O. Wizard has just mentioned putting underfloor heating under your tank.

Your storage is sorted.

Delivery:-

If you have relatively warm water in your tank then it will generally get to the brush in conditions of zero degrees or even down to -2 if you keep the flow moving. An L5 (or better) will be even better.

Freezing on the ground

Difficult one this - I tend to avoid certain windows that will drip onto pathways and drives and so blade them. You can put salt down - but that can cause "dirt on my best carpet" issues.

If the ground is snow laden or slushy I tend not to work.

This is the longest period of inactivity I have encountered (although I worked yesterday) but I believe it is short term and so do not worry over much - the nights are drawing out and spring will soon be here and we'll all be asking about the best suncream and sunglasses. 

I wonder what MoemGorod in Russia does?

[dazmond]

i think the guy from russia packs himself up in a box with straw in and hiberates in the loft till spring!!

[JSMC]

just grin n bea rit best we can i reckon. it is murder but take the roughwith the smooth i say

[vistech]

stay at home with few tinnys playing online bingo let the missus go to work until it thaws out

[JSMC]

stay at home with few tinnys playing online bingo let the missus go to work until it thaws out

wher eyou from mate?

[C-N-C]

Hiya Fella's
Hope ya all had a merry xmas & sound new-year
Bin off line for a few day's,verry busy at minute...fixing family probs...LOL
I didnt expect so many people to post....WOW!!!!!

Some realy good posts there guy's...ya help is verry much appreciated
I will pop back a bit later,just wanted to say "THANK YOU GUYS"
& big you lot up
I will deffo come back later on fella's....ya all sound
By the way im from hartlepool

Take care all...ya sound

J
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk

[C-N-C]

forgave me fella's.......
busy @ min........
ya posts avnt bin waste time.......will b back to study them,thank you


this any use to us lot??


http://www.lmkengineering.co.uk/HJprods.htm

Regards
J

[C-N-C]

Hiya guy's
Hope ya all sound....
Some realy good post's....ya make me proud
Verry much appreciated.....

I'v looked at va lot and for the ammount of freezing weather we get its not worth spendin that much on summit ya gunna use for a couple months at most,iv spent ages sheeting my 1000ltr ibc & lagging pipes  in van (RO in shed out way)
Still havin bit trouble,so im going to buy a car battery,plus a invertor to change volts to 240 and have a bathroom or some sort ov waterproof heater in the back of my traffic running all day while we work,keeping everything warm.....YEAH...probaly have to charge extra battery up,but.....better than a icey,non working system , dont ya think....just hope it works okay man....
Bin told ill probaly get couple days working b4 i have to charge battery again

Anyone tried this......i'd be intrested to know if it will work okay b4 i go and do it this weekend

Kindest regards guy's

Justin
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk

[michael papworth]

If you have access to mains electricity the first is readily solved. Cover your tanks with polystyrene foam and maybe add ply on top of that. Put an oil filled radiator in your van at night.

Your van is sorted.

Sorry, but I don't understand how this would work. Why would you want to insulate your tank and then put a heater in the van?

Insulation is good at preventing heat from escaping from the tank. It's also good at preventing heat from getting into the tank.

(cf a Thermos flask. A flask will keep tea/coffee hot on a cold day and will keep ice-cream cold on a hot day.)

What you are suggesting is going to prevent all that expensive heat from the oil-filled radiator getting into the tank!

[rg1]

There have been many methods described for keeping water, pipes & van warm but at the end of the day, a solution is needed to stop water freezing on the glass.

[C-N-C]

If you have access to mains electricity the first is readily solved. Cover your tanks with polystyrene foam and maybe add ply on top of that. Put an oil filled radiator in your van at night.

Your van is sorted.

Sorry, but I don't understand how this would work. Why would you want to insulate your tank and then put a heater in the van?

Insulation is good at preventing heat from escaping from the tank. It's also good at preventing heat from getting into the tank.

(cf a Thermos flask. A flask will keep tea/coffee hot on a cold day and will keep ice-cream cold on a hot day.)

What you are suggesting is going to prevent all that expensive heat from the oil-filled radiator getting into the tank!

YEP!!! yeah right mate...never thought ov that 1 gold
But if get the back ov the van & insulation round pipes & tank realy warm when i go  home with heater plugged into my mains..........then swap to 12v blowheater all day at work running off separate battery, this heater blowing hot air inside my van all day!
maybee the insulating will attract all that heat & keep tank & pipes warm while i earn a shilling???
I think it should be sound man....
Ya know were im coming from gold mate dont you!

take care mate

Justin


hiya rg1 mate,
Never realy had that prob mate,just the once....mostly when the places are occupied it is warm inside what i think keeps it from freezing,
just gettin the thing going on a frosty morning.....

take care fella

justin

[michael papworth]

maybee the insulating will attract all that heat & keep tank & pipes warm while i earn a shilling???

Sorry. It doesn't work that way. It's the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

It's the Second Law of Thermodynamics that means you have to pay gas and electricity bills and they are higher the warmer you want to be.

You can certainly insulate stuff - your tank or your house, for example. But you've still got to put some heat into these things if you want them to be warmer than the outside temperature.

So ... your original post , I think, has the best answer. If you can, either:

1 - warm the water up first and let it act like a heat storage radiator to release its heat over night.

2 - use some kind of tank heater to warm up the water and keep it warm. This is using the tank a bit like an oil-filled radiator. (Actually, it's a water-filled radiator.)

Remember, to stop things from freezing, the water only needs to be above 0 degrees.

[C-N-C]

Hiya Wally mate....got ya dude
So now i need to be looking for some kind of water heater to turn my ibc into a big,probaly the biggest liquid heater around in the back of a van...LOL ...i know wot ya mean man,
I will now consult plumbers etc to see what kind of element i can place in tank to warm water!!!!
Forgave me wally,with the warm water in thermo tank,wont that just keep heat in thermal covering,thus only keeping water in ibc from freezing?reels & di & pipes will still freeze.....unles i leave a anti-frost heater in van also.........
Sorry dude if i ask to many Q's...just must be another way to work in freezing conditions than fork out £3000+

Thank you for your posts wally mate....ya the man dude

Kindest regards

Justin
WWW.CLEAN-N-CLEARWINDOWS.CO.UK