[michael papworth]

I don't think it's possible to make any hard and fast statements about what will and won't work. It depends on how good the insulation is and what the temperature drops down to. Too many variables.

The insulation on the tank won't be perfect so a little heat will be lost.. If you leave the gear right next to the tank and can put some blankets over it (so the blankets cover the tank and the gear) you might be able to keep everything just warm enough to prevent freezing.

If it gets really bitterly cold, you might need a heater as well.

Insulating the entire van is a possibility, but it doesn't sound like a cheap option. It might cost less to pay for a couple of week's worth of electricity over night than to spend a not-so-small fortune on ply lining and loads of insulation.

[C-N-C]

Hiya wally mate

I don't think it's possible to make any hard and fast statements about what will and won't work. It depends on how good the insulation is and what the temperature drops down to. Too many variables.

I think ya might be right man
Im no expert on insulating,so i wouldnt be 100% sure maself........ :

The insulation on the tank won't be perfect so a little heat will be lost.. If you leave the gear right next to the tank and can put some blankets over it (so the blankets cover the tank and the gear) you might be able to keep everything just warm enough to prevent freezing.
can also leave antifrost heater in van............

If it gets really bitterly cold, you might need a heater as well.

Iv got realy thick polestyrene(s*ite speller) round ibc plus exp fillerfoam in the places i couldnt reach......but the top of the tank has nothing to insulate it,so if i heated the tank with some kind ov element,the heat would escape from top to maybee keep van,if not water in tank,from freezing
warm water in tank,frost heater overnight...think the system will run all day.....
Let ya know how it goes wally mate...we due cold snap

thank you man....ya sound fella

Take care dude

Justin

[C-N-C]

Hiya wally & guy's
Just thought id let ya all know wot i ended up doing......
ended up just cutting a strip of poestyrene from bottom ov 1000ibc,then bought this-http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4150688/Trail/searchtext%3EHEATERS.htm oscolating heater to blow warm air under tank,then moves round to reels,then finishes pointing at di bottle..... all defrosted,evens the heat out also,rather than blowing in 1 spot constant :
its also got a anti-frost thermo setting on it guys.......
It's doin the job @ the min
I now get up in morning and all van totaly running okay all day....so far
I think it would be a good idea to place a thermo lid on tank,just to keep that lil bit heat in water tank..........
Thats another story anyway.....
This works for me guys,but dont forget iv insulated tank,pump,pipes etc....
The big diffrence is the heat is moved around,even under tank,the di & reels......
the problem with a normal blow heater it just defrosted whatever i poined it at,rest ov gear bit ov ice in.............
Point is,dont matter how cold it is my van is ready for work on a morning

Thank you all for your help guy's.....ya sound dudes

Best ov look & kindest regards

Justin

www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk

[STEVEHANDS]

IVE BOUGHT A FAN HEATER FROM HOMEBASE WHICH HAS A FROST FREE SETTING ON THE THERMOSTAT. IT KEEPS THE VAN TO JUST 5 DEGREES

[C-N-C]

Hiya steve mate
I had a statick blowheater 1 from b&q £15.00,kept the van okay(ish)
But i can c a big diffrence in the oscolating heater man,spreads heat allover.......
Heat risies, so you can also point the oscolating 1 down man,blows below reels,tank etc...must be better man,wot ya think dude?
I seem to think its the dogs man.....LOL
Kindest regards steve

Justin

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

just ask john at jsm bout heaters he just spent
 r u ready 400 quid on a van heater its the heater
of the century his vans like toast shud be pics on ere
of it got it on a timer too

[daz1977]

what is the problem, 

1  keeping water warm all day  or
2 going out in morning and tank is frozen in back of van,

becasue if its 1 all i did was fill the tank up with hot water with a insulation wraped around it and box it in

and for no 2,  fill up in the morning

[C-N-C]

just ask john at jsm bout heaters he just spent
 r u ready 400 quid on a van heater its the heater
of the century his vans like toast shud be pics on ere
of it got it on a timer too

Hiya lammy mate,
Would like to see that man,any idea were photo's are dude?
Hows it run..petrol etc?
£400 is nawt man if it runs while you work!
Take care dude
Kindest regards
Justin

Hiya daz mate...both problems dude....
Yeah dude problem half,well sorted now,but how do you put warm water in ya tank on a morning??? .....ya lost me there man
Also mate the pump in van plus pipes,brush heads & reels ov hose  freeze overnight...even had my brush head as hard as a brick one morning...LOL
Good idea putting warm water in insulated tank daz
But still need to keep things from freezing overnight....
If ya read my last posts,iv insulated tank & pipes & di,then leave heater on all night blowing warm air under tank etc......left lil bit open on bottom of insulated tank to blow warm air in.....
Think it keepin it right now daz
Waz freezin lastnight....the system worked like a dream all day today

Take care man
Kind regards

Justin

[daz1977]

i put hose and brush in hall way at night, and fill up from hot water tap in morning, as i am di,   if you r ro, i would put an immersion valve in the side of your tank, in shed,   i woudl also insulate this and then box it in,  also raise it off the floor this will help,  should be pretty easy and set it at about 50, then switch it on at night as this will only switch on when water temp drops, you should then be able to transfer the hot/warm water to your van in the morning then, 

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

just ask john at jsm bout heaters he just spent
 r u ready 400 quid on a van heater its the heater
of the century his vans like toast shud be pics on ere
of it got it on a timer too

Hiya lammy mate,
Would like to see that man,any idea were photo's are dude?
Hows it run..petrol etc?
£400 is nawt man if it runs while you work!
Take care dude
Kindest regards
Justin

Hiya daz mate...both problems dude....
Yeah dude problem half,well sorted now,but how do you put warm water in ya tank on a morning??? .....ya lost me there man
Also mate the pump in van plus pipes,brush heads & reels ov hose  freeze overnight...even had my brush head as hard as a brick one morning...LOL
Good idea putting warm water in insulated tank daz
But still need to keep things from freezing overnight....
If ya read my last posts,iv insulated tank & pipes & di,then leave heater on all night blowing warm air under tank etc......left lil bit open on bottom of insulated tank to blow warm air in.....
Think it keepin it right now daz
Waz freezin lastnight....the system worked like a dream all day today

Take care man
Kind regards

Justin

hi ,m8 page 28 of window cleaning issues thread van heaters new or
www.bluebird-type2.co.uk/heat.htm

[C-N-C]

i put hose and brush in hall way at night, and fill up from hot water tap in morning, as i am di,   if you r ro, i would put an immersion valve in the side of your tank, in shed,   i woudl also insulate this and then box it in,  also raise it off the floor this will help,  should be pretty easy and set it at about 50, then switch it on at night as this will only switch on when water temp drops, you should then be able to transfer the hot/warm water to your van in the morning then, 

Hiya daz my tap water is 475 (ish) i have to use a booster pump(psi low) a merlin RO wich only takes it down to 30-35 ppm...so i also need di.....what a knightmare dude
Still the subject of keeping pump,connectors,di bottle & pipes in vans freezing overnight...got few brushes & big metal reels,missus would make me sleep in van if i brought all that in house...LOL
Water never freezes in shed got RO in there...always above 3 degrees man to keep membrains right
Gunna have a look at this lammy is crackin on about 
Big thank you for your help man...kindest regards dude

Justin

[C-N-C]

i put hose and brush in hall way at night, and fill up from hot water tap in morning, as i am di,   if you r ro, i would put an immersion valve in the side of your tank, in shed,   i woudl also insulate this and then box it in,  also raise it off the floor this will help,  should be pretty easy and set it at about 50, then switch it on at night as this will only switch on when water temp drops, you should then be able to transfer the hot/warm water to your van in the morning then, 

Hiya daz my tap water is 475 (ish) i have to use a booster pump(psi low) a merlin RO wich only takes it down to 30-35 ppm...so i also need di.....what a knightmare dude
Still the subject of keeping pump,connectors,di bottle & pipes in vans freezing overnight...got few brushes & big metal reels,missus would make me sleep in van if i brought all that in house...LOL
Water never freezes in shed got RO in there...always above 3 degrees man to keep membrains right
Gunna have a look at this lammy is crackin on about  
Big thank you for your help man...kindest regards dude

Justin

Thanks lammy,if ya look again,i did post in that thread...second last post...they must ov got bored wid mw...LOL
Got that bookmarked man....
Thank you again man
kindest regards
Justin
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk

[suds window service]

hi ya mate.
 i know the waters a bit of a nightmare in the pools lol but good for your teeth!
 any way just down the road we have been using aquarium heaters in the tank.
2x 500 watt works a treat cost about 45 quid from pets at home . the i just shot the fan heater in a couple of hours b4 we start work. sorted.
                        best regards dave.
                              www.sudswindowcleaning.co.uk

[C-N-C]

hiya Dave mate

i know the waters a bit of a nightmare in the pools lol but good for your teeth!

LOL...not sure bout that man,should c my teeth.......i mean my pallet's  ..LOL
What size tank you got suds mate?
iv got 1000ltr ibc but only fill it to 800ltrs,just to c what wattage to buy mate....

Thanks again mate

Kindest regards
Justin
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk

[C-N-C]

P.S guys...going to go wid that link wot lammy seny.....
Next year tho....hope theres not much cold now
This one is for me----
www.bluebird-type2.co.uk/heat.htm
Kindest regards everyone who has posted to help....ya sound guy's

Take care

Justin
www.clean-n-clearwimdows.co.uk

[suds window service]

well we fill up to 500lts at a time and two aquarium heaters dangled in for about 12 hours is enough for the water to feel warm( not hot) but more than enough to stop the anything freezing and it keeps the micro bore supple too.
they are a really useful thing to add to your kit and work surprisingly well!
                             cheers David.
                                     www.sudswindowcleaning.co.uk
 ps we also insulated our tank with boiler jackets too keep the warmth in longer.

[C-N-C]

Hiya Dave
Thanks for that dude......
iv already got my tank insulated with polostyrene sheets man,not the top tho  : even tho heat rises....going to insulate top ov tank next weekend...missus recons i spend more time on van than wid her....LOL.....better dat way dave
so the water heaters in tank stop the pump,reels & di bottle freezing dave mate!
Or will i still need to keep heater in van,just anti frost 1?
once that warmish water goes through system,im laughing man
Big"THANK YOU" dave fella

Take care man

Justin

www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk

[geefree]

well we fill up to 500lts at a time and two aquarium heaters dangled in for about 12 hours is enough for the water to feel warm( not hot) but more than enough to stop the anything freezing and it keeps the micro bore supple too.
they are a really useful thing to add to your kit and work surprisingly well!
 cheers David.
 www.sudswindowcleaning.co.uk

do you fully submerse the water heater?
 ps we also insulated our tank with boiler jackets too keep the warmth in longer.

[NWH]

A water heater will NOT stop the van and it`s contents from freezing,your best bet is a frost stat that comes on when the temp drops to low or a fan heater that does the same as that.I use a fan heater that comes on at about 4am,if it`s a really cold day i`ll run it before i go to bed for a couple of hours and then set it to come on in the early hours of the morning therefore keeping everything frost free,if you don`t do either of these and it`s mega cold during the night you can forget working the next day.

[No Ladders]

This is what i run with a timer which has 3 time settings.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-WEBASTO-AIR-TOP-2000-ST-12V-DIESEL-NIGHT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ110487863680QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM?hash=item19b9970180

Even when i cant not work because of snow my van my van never freezes.