[daniel horne]

looking for more work in and around keighley , bingly, skipton ,silsden

[gordonswindows]

proof if proof needed that we are all in it for ourselves

not one reply with an offer of help or support

sorry i live in scotland but by way of help hand write basic flyers saying 10% cheaper than your present window cleaner and when the out priced out of work rest of them come calling for work for you give them the same response you recieved.

my advice.....go get the work yourself its easy.

[CC Windows]

proof if proof needed that we are all in it for ourselves

not one reply with an offer of help or support

sorry i live in scotland but by way of help hand write basic flyers saying 10% cheaper than your present window cleaner and when the out priced out of work rest of them come calling for work for you give them the same response you recieved.

my advice.....go get the work yourself its easy.

Bet your Mr popular aint you 

[tomy jackson]

i hope some one takes your avice and gos % 20 in scotland rownd your way

[lovewindows]

proof if proof needed that we are all in it for ourselves

not one reply with an offer of help or support

sorry i live in scotland but by way of help hand write basic flyers saying 10% cheaper than your present window cleaner and when the out priced out of work rest of them come calling for work for you give them the same response you recieved.

my advice.....go get the work yourself its easy.

I,ve seen posts like this before some get a response, some dont, maybe round that area there is no spare work ? plus that poster has put quite a few up asking basically the same thing, your jumping on your fellow W/C without knowing everyones story ever heard the one about engaging your brain before you put your MOUTH in gear.

[davids3511]

proof if proof needed that we are all in it for ourselves

not one reply with an offer of help or support

sorry i live in scotland but by way of help hand write basic flyers saying 10% cheaper than your present window cleaner and when the out priced out of work rest of them come calling for work for you give them the same response you recieved.

my advice.....go get the work yourself its easy.

Most people who would be in a position to give away work they don't need would more than likely be out working today, cleaning what they have rather then replying to posts likle this. Not everybody is home typing into Cleanitup at 3.16pm.

[johns window kleen]

Gordons windows, you intrique me mate. Of course we are in it for ourselves. But if ,as you appear to do ,advocate undercutting, and poaching on cost then you simply turn this trade into a low paid , drudge that only those who need pocket money can survive in, not those with mortgages families and who want to run a business. Bring back the 1950's.
Look at manufacturing in the UK. It couldnt compete with the far East so it totally collapsed, until it could pay people minimum wage to come in from abroad and do it, with help given to them regarding their cost of living,b'cause the money is so poor.
What if we told him move to your part of Scotland and give out flyers saying 50% cheaper than your existing W/C.

[dai]

Daniel, your asking at a bad time mate, most of us are hanging on to the dross at the moment because we don't know how many customers we could be losing in the near future.

[seandyer2003]

It isnt a good move in business mate to ask for work, if people have too much will they will employ or sell, sadly not many give good work away, and be very wary of any work that is free!!It will be crap, you need to print some flyers and go posting and canvassing we all have to spend hours building our rounds mate so no one is gonna give it to you, i spend a fortune still building mine, have been for the last 12 months....ask some questions about how to find work, or read the many posts on this subject...

[tomy jackson]

iv ponted him to sum work for sale in browns laders walst i wos in ther last week all i tuke in wos £350 per munth not far from him

[daniel horne]

yes looked in to that and its gone but they gave me a number so thanks for that and i no work dose not come for free but iv seen window cleaners give work away befor cose of things like they have had it with ladders and not all people like  windows done with a pole

[geefree]

Gordons windows, you intrique me mate. Of course we are in it for ourselves. But if ,as you appear to do ,advocate undercutting, and poaching on cost then you simply turn this trade into a low paid , drudge that only those who need pocket money can survive in, not those with mortgages families and who want to run a business. Bring back the 1950's.
Look at manufacturing in the UK. It couldnt compete with the far East so it totally collapsed, until it could pay people minimum wage to come in from abroad and do it, with help given to them regarding their cost of living,b'cause the money is so poor.
What if we told him move to your part of Scotland and give out flyers saying 50% cheaper than your existing W/C.

if you read gordons old posts he started out with ladder,bucket and no car,he now sits in an office in charge of several workers so his ideas are pretty sound even if we dont think much of them

He must be doing something right...... i think he meant it in the right way....in his mind... but the wording was a little off.

[gordonswindows]

Thanks to Stan and gazza

Honest good advice is never "worded the right way" and need never be sugared

When i was a lad.....take your medicine it is good for you

or better a lesson learnt hard

I do so apologise to you chaps for my incorrect of ...damn couldnt even keep that up, what i meant to say was , i am a window cleaner not well educated but enthusiastic and driven, i give an honest answer from my experiences and the lesson's i have learned. I am not on here to win friends because there are no such people in the busines world.Although there are one of two of you who have given me help previously and there are others whom i enjoy hearing from but when it comes down to business or money as we really mean I want it for me my family, i am not about to let someone else who just happens to be in the same trade as i am to go home with my money.

How many of you sent cash to a fellow poster who was injured and couldnt work???

hmmm thought so

As for my area I am already up against others who do undercut me and worse that that two of the so and so are people i started of  in w/c

As for the for protecting the uk business it is because people wouldn't work cost effectively that we lost the work to other countries.

Where are the mines?  why could we buy coal cheaper from abroad than digging it ourselves? cos our miners (not all of them) wouldn't work for a smaller amount and what happened now many of them don't work at all

As for drudge i too have a family (a new member last week a grandaughter) and a mortgage oh and a house in Spain and a 645i BMW a son at Uni that costs a fortune a monthly donation to charity an award from Job Centre Plus .............

[gordonswindows]

sorry forgot to add

i also just lost a client worth £36,000pa due to the so called "credit crunch" and that was an " undercut" price as the previous cleaner was charging 20% more than i was, that was three years ago but still.They gave us two months notice and i have already found 5 out of the 7 employees new positions and am determined not to let the other two go, probably by cutting someone else's price but rather that than put two people (one of them a family man) out of work in the new year

cheeers

Gordon

[lovewindows]

you employed 7 men for a £36k contract ??
Anyway you did it again " how many of you sent money to a w/c who was injured etc ? not many!  thought so hmmm , What's all that about ??
Are you one of them guys who likes to judge people without knowing them , it's a bit like people judging us because we're window cleaners.
It's not through lack of intelligence , you run a self made good business with a son at uni, it's not age , your a granpops, it must be just YOU.

[paul saunders]

Gordonswindows, have you ever worked down a mine ?

[Pristine Clean]

This is a good thread, it was about someone wanting work! But its turned out to be about undecutters and all in it for ourselves.

1. Yes I think we are in it for ourselves..thats why we started a business

2. If we had enough work to go round we would all employ people or more people. I have just taken on a new lad today.. But I have not taken him on because i am kind hearted.. I have more work than ever at this moment in time. But it benefits me, my company that I have taken him on. Amongst other people.

3. UNDERCUTTING
Ive said it many many times before.. not people like it neither! We can all offer value, reliability, professionalism and flash equipment if we have the money to invest or waste what ever way you look at it. I have just invested in WFP and purchase an RO Unit with water softener with DI that produces around 1000 litres in under 4 hours.

Now after you give all this, the customer will say oh, my window cleaner already does all that! So whats left... ask yourself how do you win the business.. By undercutting Now if you have a problem with it.. you are managing your business inefficiently if you cannot match the price of the new window cleaner.

Maybe you should not have purchased that flash new pole, or WFP system or new van. His over heads will be lower than yours. And best of luck too him.

People undercut all of the time, bigger companies do, people and companies take back handers to win work. ITS BUSINESS GET OVER IT. iTS PART OF EVERY DAY LIFE. Under cutting makes the world go round.

People do it to me and I will do it every time I can providing I make a worth while profit. NO Profit - No client! Profit even if I undercut the next person or company = new client... = NEW LUXURY ITEM BETTER WAY OF LIFE etc etc.

People on here undercut, even when they say they dont as they want to be liked! Gordon is right there are no friends in business!

Dave

[Llaaww]

all publicity is good publicity/ there is no such thing as BAD PUBLICITY. just decide what you are going to do and tell the world any which way cou can.

and you may even get to do it for money

[Mark Sadler]

proof if proof needed that we are all in it for ourselves

not one reply with an offer of help or support

sorry i live in scotland but by way of help hand write basic flyers saying 10% cheaper than your present window cleaner and when the out priced out of work rest of them come calling for work for you give them the same response you recieved.

my advice.....go get the work yourself its easy.

Thats exactly what our PM (Gordon the Moron) would say. You scotts actually think you have your own parliment don't you, well ive got news for you Jock, Devolution was the worst thing you scotts could have asked for "This Unity Thing And All That Crap" but when it comes to making major parliamentary decisions; guess what, your name sake is discussed first, how unifying is that. lolololol

[gordonswindows]

Oh dear lovewindows how can u clean windows while balancing that large chip on  your shoulder, I am PROUD of being a cleaner, I don't even have to make it sound better by adding WINDOW I am a cleaner. I didn't judge I tried to demonstrate how by being selfish with my business it allows me to offer support and help to others.you
Well done to pristine whose posts are always well written and presented. This time he gave sound facts with true honesty.
As too having worked down a pit although knowing a lot of hard working proud miners I never got the chance to go down one as they are all closed.
As too independance we have had our land raped and pillaged for too long and at last are not just having the last laugh as we are governing you while we enjoy our own rules and laws