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daniel horne

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2008, 09:03:33 pm »
ye for sure i was only asking lolol i thought window cleaners stuck together but im so wrong ??? ??? ???

daniel horne

  • Posts: 49
Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2008, 09:10:42 pm »
like every one reading what people have said i thing we should all pack it in ???? i no that theres people out there that have a point to put across but all they are doing is making them selfs look bad... i was only asking   lol   if you dont ask thats why people are out priceing each other cose as we are not helping each other  thats what happen so i think from now on ill do what every bobys doing and when theres no work you can look back at this and say i told you so :( :( :( :(

daniel horne

  • Posts: 49
Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2008, 09:11:36 pm »
thank you and if i can help in any let me no ;D ;D ;D

gordonswindows

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2008, 08:39:22 am »
we all have already helped

he already sounds more confident and determined to do well

well done all of you who posted


Don't Give Up
@askforthemoney

lovewindows

  • Posts: 416
Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2008, 09:52:30 am »
Oh dear lovewindows how can u clean windows while balancing that large chip on  your shoulder, I am PROUD of being a cleaner, I don't even have to make it sound better by adding WINDOW I am a cleaner. I didn't judge I tried to demonstrate how by being selfish with my business it allows me to offer support and help to others.you
Well done to pristine whose posts are always well written and presented. This time he gave sound facts with true honesty.
As too having worked down a pit although knowing a lot of hard working proud miners I never got the chance to go down one as they are all closed.
As too independance we have had our land raped and pillaged for too long and at last are not just having the last laugh as we are governing you while we enjoy our own rules and laws
Sorry totaly over my head  ??? ??? ??? ???
dont look who's to blame, look how to fix it. anon

HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2008, 03:48:13 pm »
this post is worse than the tower of babel :D

a bit of clarity is called for here, so here goes:

guy wants work, other guys dont want to give the guy work, the other guys looking in are saying the guy is scum, so the 1st guy comes back in and says to the other guys that the other guys are right and that if he were a Scot he would rule the world because he is the best window cleaner in the world, and the second guy from the last took offence and said he aint coming back, and the 1st guy still hasent got any work....hey, that was simple wasnt it;D


Tosh

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2008, 04:05:53 pm »
How many of you sent cash to a fellow poster who was injured and couldnt work?????????

hmmm thought so

Quite a few of us donated to a widow of a window cleaner who died from falling from his ladders; he had a family and no life insurance.  Andrew McCann organised it.

hmmmm...

HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)

  • Posts: 1093
Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2008, 04:11:14 pm »
How many of you sent cash to a fellow poster who was injured and couldnt work?????????

hmmm thought so

Quite a few of us donated to a widow of a window cleaner who died from falling from his ladders; he had a family and no life insurance.  Andrew McCann organised it.

hmmmm...

yep totally agree.....when ross fell of his ladders up here in glasgow and died a week later from his injuries, 40 guys from ross's faith went out in one day and did a full months work/collected it and handed every cent over to his family.

still miss that guy. :'(

daniel horne

  • Posts: 49
Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2008, 05:55:35 pm »
i was only asking lol

Tosh

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2008, 06:07:14 pm »
i was only asking lol

Daniel,

It takes time; years maybe; to build up a decent paying window cleaning business if you're starting from scratch, unless you're one of the 'special people' on this forum who claim stuff that sometimes I don't believe.  Also, and this is a big 'also', don't go underpricing jobs just to get them.  Act confident also, I'm sure there's a certain class of customer who can 'smell' a virgin window cleaner, and will mess them about.

My advice would be to find a wage-paying occupation that'll cover your bills, and will allow you the time to build up and work on a window cleaning round in your spare time.

I've known two guys local to me who are both doing that by driving vans delivering goods, starting early in the morning and finishing by 1-or-2 pm; then they go window cleaning.  This mustn't give them much time in deepest darkest Winter, but I often see them during the day in the Summer.

I did weekend security work to help make ends meet when I first started window cleaning; though to be honest; the 'ends didn't meet' with the low pay I received.

Good luck.

johns window kleen

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2008, 06:15:02 pm »
Daniel I'l give you the benefit of the doubt mate. I dont think your scum, nor do the others I would imagine.
I think that asking for work is the wrong move to make though. Trust me get out there and door knock. Qoute sensible prices, slightly over ,not under ,as you can negotiate at the doorstep if they are genuinely interested. Don't conciously undercut others in your area to get work.People will do it back to you!!!There is tons of work out there, and I get more enquiries than I can handle whilst working. Some I take on some I dont.
If you were in my neck of woods I would chuck you a few that I want to loose, because I cant be bothered dragging equipment through houses anymore, or their isolated jobs. But you would take others cast off's. No one will just give away good work if their honest.
The undercutting thing doesnt really affect me but it does bug me. And if you notice some of the replies its the ones who knowingly undercut, as is their business practice, who loose big jobs, or their former employees take work off of em, b'cause theyve been schooled that its OK to do so. Then they cant complain can they!
Do the right thing and people will respect and help you. You can build a good business by your own endevours, and price it as you want it.

jaykie

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2008, 06:42:08 pm »
Daniel, ive been going since may, i now have 140 custys and still growing, dont be fased what some say on here as the more you come on here the more youll know who to listen to and who not too, keep posting questions and youll get some really good advice but youll also get some nonsense replys by some who get a buzz from slating and putting everything people say down, once you start door knocking it can become injoyable, you meet loads of people and i can honestly say i never had a bad word from anyone answering the door,

what tosh and johns window kleen have said is very good advice

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2008, 07:17:34 pm »
Daniel I'l give you the benefit of the doubt mate. I dont think your scum, nor do the others I would imagine.
I think that asking for work is the wrong move to make though. Trust me get out there and door knock. Qoute sensible prices, slightly over ,not under ,as you can negotiate at the doorstep if they are genuinely interested. Don't conciously undercut others in your area to get work.People will do it back to you!!!There is tons of work out there, and I get more enquiries than I can handle whilst working. Do the right thing and people will respect and help you. You can build a good business by your own endevours, and price it as you want it.

Hi There,

Althou it bugs you that people undercut, which I fully understand why it bugs you.. it bugs me when it happens to me.

But if he prices as he wants maybe he could undercut without knowing and can do the job alot less. Very easily.

However, if I did not undercut, I would not get half the work I have. Its mostly down to the customers anyway. Its their decision to go somewhere they see Value for money. Just because I undercut does not mean to say I do not do a better more professional work. Sometimes I undercut and even throw in extras.

Now I do not actually intentionally undercut but I have worked out a pricing structure where I can earn a good living, pay my employees, and have the things in life I want. (within reason) I am still working on the Lambourgini ;D

Now, surely every one wants more work, the more work generally if you have the right infrastructure, money and technolgy and by  technology I do not mean a small RO unit in ones shed. You can work well, And by quantity you dont have to be rushing around either trying to catch up if it is well planned and organised.

Now would you never undercut to get the work? Lets say you had to pay a mortgage.. and you had no work..at all. And I mean no work.. But if you undercut you could pay your mortgage, and at christmas you can see your childrens eyes light up on Christmas morning with all the presents you have bought them.

Or would you rather over price, lose your house, move into a small flat, somewhere close to ghetto as can be with your kids and tell your kids santa will not be comming this christmas.

I know what I would choose. I can say with all honesty, my kids will have a fantastic christmas and tell them santa has been.

You cannot win work just on flash gimmicks, new technology, flash vans or cars or new microfibre clothes alone or a few T shirts that you had a logo put on for £6.95 including a contact number..you have to be comptitive.. By competitive that means lowering your price. And by lowering your price you then UNDERCUT.

Dave

Dave

jaykie

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2008, 07:54:38 pm »
Theres a difference in putting a price in that you believe will win you a job and undercutting, I would never knock on a door or go to a commercial company, ask them what there paying and then put a cheaper price in just to get the job.


daniel horne

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2008, 08:04:34 pm »
thanks for that ;D ;D ;D

johns window kleen

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2008, 08:07:50 pm »
No let me clarify. Intentionally undercut, not inadvertantly undercut. I have a mortgage, kids, expenses etc. When I started up and canvassed I asked do you have a W/C if they said yes, I would ask are you happy with the service provided if they said yes I would walk away, not ask how much, and then undercut the price considerably. Which I know some people do.
Easy as that, go find virgin work and price it as you want to.

I sleep easy at night knowing I havent nicked work. Thats desperate in my opinion.
I price realistically for my needs, they can take it or leave it, I have already said I pick up work or leads nearly every day without even trying, as I am sure many of you do, I take on some of these, and you know what these people havent got a window cleaner, thats why they approach.
I know about costings and business, supply and demand ,etc,etc, and even in these crap times there's loads of work out there, so why should I be a lazy parasite and intentionally nick off of others?

Lifes like a box of chocolates and Thats all I've got to say about that.

jaykie

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2008, 08:19:29 pm »
John my quote was made to pristine, but i will say that when ive canvassed i have had custys say that they have a window cleaner and not happy, instead of giving a quote ive said that they need to sort there problems with there current cleaner, i give them my business card and say if your problems cant be solved with your current cleaner then give me a ring and ill give you a quote.

johns window kleen

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Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2008, 08:42:08 pm »
I know Jaykie mate, my reply was to pristine as well, and yer know what I reckon he will agree!

jaykie

Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2008, 08:43:39 pm »
Sorry to go off topic but i think its because were both Spurs fans that we talk sense lol, Yid army.

johns window kleen

  • Posts: 406
Re: any got any work they dont want???
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2008, 08:45:43 pm »
Oh no!! you'll set the Gooners off now, if they can drag themselves away from the 0-0 bore draw on the box!