[ftp]

There you go, same people as on ebay

www.pump.co.uk/shop/Generators/PetrolSilent/d24/sd77

[ftp]

Looking for a generator and have found Loncin LC5000  5kva on ebay for £379 brand new
How come Glyns selling them for £660 plus vat? Am i looking at something different?
Chinese apparently.

Have you got a link?

A friend of mine recently bought a "quality make" pressure washer from ebay / china. It was fitted with all the wrong fittings so my friend had them all replaced with the correct threads etc. ~Within a few days it suffered a fatal high pressure "blowout" which has made it unusable or repairable - he did not get his money back

Not saying anything really apart form be careful as ebay isn't all its cracked up to be sometimes. 

Kev, unfortunately yours is Chinese!

[Kevin R]

Kev, unfortunately yours is Chinese!

I know it is but it came from a reputable supplier in the UK not "located in china" as my friends did.

If they have a trading address / telephone number then good stuff, pay for it with your plastic then your covered!

[Glyn H]

We supply Kubota, Isuzu, Honda,Lombardini, Yanmar
and LONCIN Engines
Lonchin export £10,000,000 of engines to the west and are one of the Worlds most respected engine manufacturers.
We supply Loncin engines which are teamed with UK  made Markon Alternators to produce a top quality generator .
Loncin produce in excess of 500,000 engines a year.
We also sell the full range of Stephill generators

[Kevin R]

Its all about the package 

I bought all my kit from Omnipole as it was easy, recommended, covered in the event that there is ever a problem I know Glyn would sort it.

FTP what did you think about the carbon wear bit in my earlier post ? is it a concern? Catastrophic pole failure could be painful, will a possible pole failure need to be included in a risk assessment? or your working practices?

[Chris Galloway]

Its all about the package 

I bought all my kit from Omnipole as it was easy, recommended, covered in the event that there is ever a problem I know Glyn would sort it.

FTP what did you think about the carbon wear bit in my earlier post ? is it a concern? Catastrophic pole failure could be painful, will a possible pole failure need to be included in a risk assessment? or your working practices?

Which is why im considering an omnipole when i get my arse into gear on this gutter thing. But i want to see some nice close up pics of it, cos the ones ive seen dont look at all for use with a gutter vac, and they also look tapered.

[Mr H]

Even Jeff who did that test will tell you that the test was flawed because:-
Firstly the pole used was NOT a wfp pole but from a fishing pole and the pole was kept on its side all through the test so it greatly exagerated the wear and although you do get grit a sand in a gutter your more likely to be sucking up soil and leaves.
So yes the DIY gutter vac would wear out relativy quickly if you wanted to vacuum up the local beach constantly for a few days.
In reality mine has so far lasted over 6months with NONE of the base sections showing wear from being used for gutters and window use. I have not yet taken the top section off for inspection but might just do so to see what wear is owing as that piece will get the full force of everything that goes through the pipe.

Regards
Mr H

[ftp]

Its all about the package 

I bought all my kit from Omnipole as it was easy, recommended, covered in the event that there is ever a problem I know Glyn would sort it.

FTP what did you think about the carbon wear bit in my earlier post ? is it a concern? Catastrophic pole failure could be painful, will a possible pole failure need to be included in a risk assessment? or your working practices?

Is it a concern? Good question i don't know - when i've been doing it a while i might be able to tell you. i doubt all gutters are full of sharp sand and gravel alone and i would doubt Jeff used an S2 pole. Catastrophic pole failure? Unlikely i would think. I have broken fishing poles before without a catastrophy.
Nothing wrong with Omnipoles products although i have never seen them in the flesh. I'm not saying my set up is any better i'm not in a position to compare. All i'm saying is if you want to suck dirt out of a gutter there are cheaper ways of doing it using similar parts and much cheaper using some identical parts.
I have Gardiners equipment and rate them highly and i could source several parts cheaper too but we are only talking a few pounds here and there not hundreds.
Also i'm looking at a different market to you - i doubt if i will have 5% commercial it's more likely i will go for the domestic market.

[ftp]

We supply Kubota, Isuzu, Honda,Lombardini, Yanmar
and LONCIN Engines
Lonchin export £10,000,000 of engines to the west and are one of the Worlds most respected engine manufacturers.
We supply Loncin engines which are teamed with UK  made Markon Alternators to produce a top quality generator .
Loncin produce in excess of 500,000 engines a year.
We also sell the full range of Stephill generators
Thanks Glyn so although Chinese you obviously feel the Loncin is a good Generator? I might buy one tomorrow.  For £379 plus a massive £12 delivery charge.

[Kevin R]

One quick question for those using the SL2 sections

Can you use the pole to push the tool tip into the edge of the muck with enough force to lift it  / break it / suck it with out damaging the pole or knocking the tool off?  So I am talking adding force to the side of the pole?

[ftp]

Hey! i could buy a  35'powerpole too just for those heavy jobs with the money i've saved not buying the generator and the camera from you know where.
Maybe i'll wait for the 45' slx to come out and have that instead. 

[Mr H]

Why don't we get back to the thread topic......
All these questions have been asked and answered before and people seem to think they need to keep justifying the system they prefer.

The title was:- guttervac & sl2

Question was:- want them both , whats the way to get them at the best price

Answer is:- Depends on which gutter vac system you want and what height of SL2 you need...... Cheapest price for an SL2 is Gardiners. Cheapest gutter vac is DIY.

Regards
Mr H

[Kevin R]

Why don't we get back to the thread topic......
All these questions have been asked and answered before and people seem to think they need to keep justifying the system they prefer.

The title was:- guttervac & sl2

Question was:- want them both , whats the way to get them at the best price

Answer is:- Depends on which gutter vac system you want and what height of SL2 you need...... Cheapest price for an SL2 is Gardiners. Cheapest gutter vac is DIY.

Regards
Mr H

Thats the ONLY choice as only Gardiners make the SL2 and the vac that NOTE is the same as the one omnivac use - yes you spotted it not another one but the one Omnivac use  and it is commercially available in several places in its standard format.

I would be more impressed if the DIY members had not blatantly copied the best selling gutter vac.  How about the DIY ers making one from something else? bet it goes quiet now - not so bright when there is nothing to rip off are we !!!! Why did you decide on 3 X 1200 watt motors - extensive testing? no because Omnipole had done all that for you!!!!!  Have you tested the SL2 properly, I think not, but hey who cares, its not your problem and Alex makes a profit so he starts selling the machines too, but not for the purposes of guttervac of course, to much to risk if a pole fails eh Alex?

I hope you manage to make something from scratch (albeit from a list of available bits) and some one copies your hard worked design and to save a measily £300. You should be ashamed its hardly honest is it but what the hell do you care? Its like copying the kid in the next seat at school. I was raised to have respect and pay for the things others make - I bet you lot steal music from the internet to to save a few quid too.

In fact I will go further - To make one for yourself as a challenge or to save yourself a few quid MR H I could understand but to give the design brief to everyone else on the internet to big it up for yourself is wrong.

I thought you were a decent chap with honour but you have proved me wrong!!!! 

This isn't really my fight but I hope my standing up for what I believe will show my kids a decent way of life and not how to steal - intellectually or otherwise.

[ftp]

Kev, calm down. I don't understand you. You come on here giving great advice to all of us even when you know we are putting together our own vacs - you give advice to your competitors too. No one has knocked the Omnivac. The problem is because it's not unique, because 90% of the parts are available in other areas and other applications that it is so easily copied. Whoever invented the idea must have known how simple it would be to make it out of similar components. It's the same as making a trolley system with your own sack trucks, the same as using a decorators pole instead of £400 worth of carbon The same as building your own ro system. Please get your head out of the omni backside and stick to giving great advice, you help loads of us on here and have sparked many into action. Glyn will always have plenty of customers wanting the complete package straight out of the box.

[Kevin R]

Kev, calm down. I don't understand you. You come on here giving great advice to all of us even when you know we are putting together our own vacs - you give advice to your competitors too. No one has knocked the Omnivac. The problem is because it's not unique, because 90% of the parts are available in other areas and other applications that it is so easily copied. Whoever invented the idea must have known how simple it would be to make it out of similar components. It's the same as making a trolley system with your own sack trucks, the same as using a decorators pole instead of £400 worth of carbon The same as building your own ro system. Please get your head out of the omni backside and stick to giving great advice, you help loads of us on here and have sparked many into action. Glyn will always have plenty of customers wanting the complete package straight out of the box.

FTP,

I would have every respect if MR H and Alex G had done some testing of their own. I would be very interested in the results.

What has offended me Is Glyn has given me loads of time and because of that alone I have made a lot of money. I have just taken a large contract form a company in Hampshire who have a guttervac but cant use it. Why cant they use it? well its a big learning curve.

Glyn comes on here giving help and advice for free - and I likewise have done the same for nothing to help others find the best way to do things. Trust me I have learnt the hard way.

Mr H pops up with a ripped off design - gives no further help or advice - does not look at the consequences of employees using the SL2 (which is not designed for purpose) and then Alex starts selling the "wet dry vac" as a wet dry vac only at the very same time as MR H releases details of how to rip off the omnivac Ha Ha Ha - because he knows he cant sell the SL2 sections as a guttervac poles.

I have a lot of respect for Alex and his products but this smells a little off to me? Am I really the only one that thinks like this?

FTP would you have built one if MR H had not so kindly told you how to do it and where to source the bits?

Smelly its true 

[Kevin R]

you give advice to your competitors too.

Why - well it keeps the prices up - if not  idiots will  start doing commercial jobs for £50 and give the rest of us a bad name when they fail - just like as it is with wfp 

[Glyn H]

The whole point of us spending thousands of pounds to protect our INVENTION was to prevent people stealing it.

Mr H posted how to make the DIY guttervac using photographs of parts that he got from the Wadeson's.
The Wadesons bought that part from us (as a replacement) and then passed it on for MR H to copy.
So its not as if even that one small part was original DIY it was our part!

How is it that no one has copied Ionics version? Or started selling componant parts like a petrol leaf sweeper and clear plastic tubes.
Thats Not  difficult to answer they dont want to be sued

[ftp]

 Would i have used S2 sections?To be honest probably not. Alex isn't daft he's not going to build a copy and sell it all put together. He's not going to tell you to use his poles as a vac tube either. However i would have looked all over the net to source as many parts as i could first before spending on the real thing. i used £60 fishing poles instead of paying over the top prices for "proper" poles and was pretty annoyed when i spent in exess of £600 for a S1 which was a Maver fishing pole that could be bought for £270 at the time. You said MrH was a respected friend of yours please keep it that way ( he hasn't said don't buy an Omnivac). I've probably stirred up more trouble by charting my experiences and searching prices - i'm sorry it wasn't intended like that, i had no knowledge and was asking and learning all the time.
I won't continue with this anymore.

[Kevin R]

Would i have used S2 sections?To be honest probably not. Alex isn't daft he's not going to build a copy and sell it all put together. He's not going to tell you to use his poles as a vac tube either. However i would have looked all over the net to source as many parts as i could first before spending on the real thing. i used £60 fishing poles instead of paying over the top prices for "proper" poles and was pretty annoyed when i spent in exess of £600 for a S1 which was a Maver fishing pole that could be bought for £270 at the time. You said MrH was a respected friend of yours please keep it that way ( he hasn't said don't buy an Omnivac). I've probably stirred up more trouble by charting my experiences and searching prices - i'm sorry it wasn't intended like that, i had no knowledge and was asking and learning all the time.
I won't continue with this anymore.

Its fine for you to try and build a guttervac for yourself and use it yourself - no one would object to that. Just as Alex lets us use his protectaballs for ourselves but it would be a different story if we tried to sell them.

Mr H has made a copy of Omnivacs machine - released the details to everyone. He has worked with Alex G who now sells the componants but not as a guttervac - he's a supplier that should know better IMO.

Its one thing to knock something up in you garage but another to sell it openly or otherwise 

[Kevin R]

Would i have used S2 sections?To be honest probably not. Alex isn't daft he's not going to build a copy and sell it all put together. He's not going to tell you to use his poles as a vac tube either.

My points exactly