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lovewindows

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guttervac & sl2
« on: October 13, 2008, 10:45:31 pm »
want them both , whats the way to get them at the best price
dont look who's to blame, look how to fix it. anon

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 11:07:05 pm »
want them both , whats the way to get them at the best price

Buy them both from gardiners, ask for discount on delivery :P

Glyn H

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 02:40:52 am »
If you want the professional kit then www.omni-guttervac.com
I dont believe their is much difference in the cost.
The difference is our system uses 51mm ultralite abrasion resistant hose and long lasting ( many years) 50mm Aloy tubes designed to take the rigiuors of gravel, broken roof tiles and far less chance of debris blocking the tubes or hose.
Our first systems used 38mm hose and tubes but the downtime unblocking the hose tubes and inlets was a real pain and time is money so we upgraded to 51mm some time ago. We supply five different heads specifically designed to tackle commercial and domestic gutters.
A lot of the DIY system operators remove the internal inlet angle to stop it clogging but this is not realy ther answer as this weakens the vortex action of the vac giving less suction.

ftp

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 07:53:25 am »
Few hundred pounds difference or over a thousand if you want their own camera system. Not much difference really. If you are going purely commercial then buy the Omnivac. If you dont have the funds or the customers then diy.
Omnivac will always be better but not much. Bit like diy wfp versus an Ionics ready made system.
 Omnivac will have everything you need - you won't need to bodge or source your own bits. But that's half the fun.  :)
There's no cheap way of buying S2 poles - unless you are related to Alex but there are cheap vacs about or even second hand. Hardly any parts to find that couldn't be done yourself.

Mr H

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 08:18:24 am »
As Glyn stated the Omnivac does use the
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51mm ultralite abrasion resistant hose and long lasting ( many years) 50mm Aloy tubes designed to take the rigiuors of gravel, broken roof tiles and far less chance of debris blocking the tubes or hose.
and it comes with 5 attachments but if you are already in the market  for an SL2 then there is quite a saving in using the SL2 base sections compared with buying an SL2 and a seperate gutter vac system.

As for the loss in suction by removing the internal inlet it can be no less than the loss with a Omnivac System as in both Omnivacs I've seen it too has been removed.

As you will be adding your own hose then you can use the same type as on the Omnivac if you want, or you can use cheaper or more expensive hose.

Yes the Omnivac is stronger but it is also a lot heavier and not for oneman above 35ft.

So if money is tight you can make a saving with the SL2 - Gutter Sucker combo.
If your a oneman outfit and need to go up high then the SL2 will be lighter.
If you want a professional bit of kit you can use straight out of the box then the Omnivac is better.

Regards
Mr H
 


Glyn H

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 09:15:46 am »
MrH Wrote
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As for the loss in suction by removing the internal inlet it can be no less than the loss with a Omnivac System as in both Omnivacs I've seen it too has been removed.
Our unit has an angled steel inlet which aids in promotion of the vortex.

Please tell me how much the cost of a DIY system is ? By the time you have purchassed the SL2, Vac, 15 metres of hose and sourced parts to make attachements. Is their actually any saving at all?

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 09:22:16 am »
38mm to 51mm inlet? simple change the inlet size and use some tin snips to make the hole bigger in order to attach it.


lovewindows

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2008, 10:24:04 am »
[ if you are already in the market  for an SL2 then there is quite a saving in using the SL2 base sections compared with buying an SL2 and a seperate gutter vac system.
So if money is tight you can make a saving with the SL2 - Gutter Sucker combo.

So That right Glynn ? and how much of a saving ?

dont look who's to blame, look how to fix it. anon

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2008, 11:05:28 am »
[ if you are already in the market  for an SL2 then there is quite a saving in using the SL2 base sections compared with buying an SL2 and a seperate gutter vac system.
So if money is tight you can make a saving with the SL2 - Gutter Sucker combo.

So That right Glynn ? and how much of a saving ?



that was Mr H

Glyn H

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2008, 11:47:03 am »
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38mm to 51mm inlet? simple change the inlet size and use some tin snips to make the hole bigger in order to attach it.

Attach what ?  Are you saying you stick the hose into a razor sharp hole?

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2008, 11:56:02 am »
No..  ::)  Contact a vacuum suppliers like www.morclean.co.uk and ask for a inlet section to replace the 38mm for a 51mm inlet section.

(inlet section in this sense is the plastic housing you insert the hose into)

ftp

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2008, 01:44:38 pm »
Ok not identical but i wasn't trying to build the Omnivac but a system that works along the same lines.
Triple 1200w vac
Three S2 sections (i already have two) this gives me a 60' S2 with my original S2.
52mm top hose( that i haven't used)
Connectors to make the loop
Tools that come with the vac
Seven metres of Hose
CCTV camera and monitor already had battery power.
Towbar fitted by me
Electrics for towbar wired by proffessional
Pipe for making different nozzles
30m of Arctic cable
Slash proof connectors
Rcd plug


Total price WITH vat and delivery £1100 - could be cheaper if you sourced everything for yourself.
Basic Omnivac system £1090 plus vat plus delivery, no camera no towbar
Omnivac camera system (much more advanced than mine) £800+

ftp

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2008, 01:59:59 pm »
Like i said, if i had the customers ready and waiting and knew i could tap straight into the commercial market then i would buy Glyns omnivac system - top of the range bells and all. However, i don't  a) have much spare cash or use credit and b) have a ready made market of customers so i've got to start somewhere.
 I did the same thing with wfp - built my own and started with fishing poles, then as i made money i reinvested in the best carbon poles i could buy. Who knows, if i make money on this then i might be knocking on Glens door for an upgrade.

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2008, 02:56:40 pm »
Could have bought an omnivac without the cam and did that urself :P

Yeah i know its more fun DIY, but sometimes an off the shelf product is better in the long run.

But i dont want to pay out for something off the shelf until i have the clients to do it. Im after a new van and in turn tank size cos my one wont be big enough in the future, and that is my main service, i dont just want to be gutter cleaning. Im first and foremost a window cleaner, the other services are add ons which i dont enjoy doing as much as windows, but i role with the times, and provide them as an additional service.

Mr H

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2008, 04:34:19 pm »
38mm to 51mm inlet? simple change the inlet size and use some tin snips to make the hole bigger in order to attach it.

No good doing that as the SL2 is around the 38mm size anyway.


Prices....... To make JUST a 24ft diy Gutter Vac (similar height to basic Omnipole) you need

Vac £458
5 SL2 base sections = £295
16M of hose, length of threaded rod and 2 clamps = £100
Total = £853 + vat

Omnipole 24ft = £1090 + vat

So a saving of £237 + vat = £278.47 saved

If you are buying an SL2, PLUS you want a gutter vac then the price comes down depending on the SL2 you buy. If you buy a 60ft SL2 then you will already have 3 base sections so the price for makeing a 24ft DIY system is then only £676 + vat so a saving of £414+ vat = £486.45 inc compared to buying a 60ft SL2 AND an Omnivac system.

60ft SL2 + 24ft DIY gutter vac = £1326 + vat = £1558.05

60ft SL2 + 24ft Omnivac system = £1740 + vat = £2044.50

Lovewindows didn't say what height he wants to gutter vac up to so can't give more precise prices on the DIY system. He wanted to know the best price for getting an SL2 AND a gutter vac system.

If you don't need an SL2, or you don't need to use a guttervac at height above 35ft on your own and you can afford the extra cost then go for the Omnivac system. Its a good strong system with plenty of backup and attachments off the shelf.

As stated earlier, comparing the 2 is like comparing a ready made WFP system with a DIY system. both have good points and both have not so good points.....

You make your choice and pay your money.

Regards
Mr H



Glyn H

Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2008, 05:13:55 pm »
Mr H
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So a saving of £237 + vat = £278.47 saved

But who you going to call if a motor fails, pole breaks or any other warranty claim?
Who is on the other end of the telephone Mon- Fri 8.30 to give advice on pricing or how to do the work?
How much time will you loose unblocking 38mm hose and poles?
And how much are the five accesory tools worth?
I figure surely that must be worth just over £200.00 or as many claim a few hours widow cleaning pay  ;D

*frank cannon

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2008, 05:43:20 pm »
glyn

r u now selling carbon poles  with yr vac system or am i getting my wires mixed ???

Kevin R

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2008, 06:17:09 pm »
Mr H
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So a saving of £237 + vat = £278.47 saved

But who you going to call if a motor fails, pole breaks or any other warranty claim?
Who is on the other end of the telephone Mon- Fri 8.30 to give advice on pricing or how to do the work?
How much time will you loose unblocking 38mm hose and poles?
And how much are the five accesory tools worth?
I figure surely that must be worth just over £200.00 or as many claim a few hours widow cleaning pay  ;D

I will back that up completely - I have been stuck on a commercial job or two because of custom guttering features which call for different tools. I have phoned Glyn / Omnipole and the new tool is there the very next day - Saving a fortune on cherry pickers etc etc. Also I have no doubt the Omnivac tubing will outlast the SL2 Sections  

I cant believe people are going to all this hassle for a few hundred quid  :o

Mr H

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2008, 06:36:14 pm »
Mr H
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So a saving of £237 + vat = £278.47 saved

But who you going to call if a motor fails, pole breaks or any other warranty claim?
Who is on the other end of the telephone Mon- Fri 8.30 to give advice on pricing or how to do the work?
How much time will you loose unblocking 38mm hose and poles?
And how much are the five accesory tools worth?
I figure surely that must be worth just over £200.00 or as many claim a few hours widow cleaning pay  ;D

If the motor fails during warranty you call the vac supplier.
If the pole breaks you call the pole supplier and order another one and learn to be more careful next time.
Not had a problem with the 38mm blocking and as for  
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I figure surely that must be worth just over £200.00

Your selling them so your bound to say that aren't you..... lol  :D
The vac comes with attachments that are similar to the ones you get with the Omnivac.

Yes thats what the extra money is for and well worth it if you have it. But some starting out don't have it or they need to go higher than 24ft and want to save even more or are a oneman outfit and need a lighter system.


Regards
Mr H



ftp

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Re: guttervac & sl2
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2008, 06:41:45 pm »
 :) a few hundred quid means a lot to some of us!
Don't forget Kev, you are a big fish for Glyn, good advertising, pictures on the site etc.
I wouldn't think Glyn would knock up a tool overnight for every vac owner. ;D