[Chris Galloway]

The whole point of us spending thousands of pounds to protect our INVENTION was to prevent people stealing it.

Mr H posted how to make the DIY guttervac using photographs of parts that he got from the Wadeson's.
The Wadesons bought that part from us (as a replacement) and then passed it on for MR H to copy.
So its not as if even that one small part was original DIY it was our part!

How is it that no one has copied Ionics version? Or started selling componant parts like a petrol leaf sweeper and clear plastic tubes.
Thats Not  difficult to answer they dont want to be sued

Do we have to go through this again? Omnivac do not hold any license over a wet and dry vacuum! That in effect all it is. Omnivac have however gone into producing better tooling for use with the system.

All omni have done there is patent their designs for those parts. Similar designs can still be produced on the same theme. if you have patented the whole idea, please do provide us with the patent numbers and info so we can check..

Others have decided rather to shell out on a omnipole they can use the sl2 to the same effect. of course Alex wont sell it as a whole gutter vac product, because the SL2 is not designed for that, however it doesn;t mean he wont sell it to you if thats what you want it for, he is in business to make business. You can do this with any pole if its up to the job, we just know Alex from the forums so he can advise us about the product..

BTW i got my wet and dry vac from another supplier cheaper than both Alex and Omni.

There are always people that will show you how to make a diy version of a product using similar items. As people have said using fishing poles to make a water fed pole.

Regarding the Upkeeper, may i remind you its not Ionics invention... however being a suction machine it is a good idea, BUT its designed for an american market and is basically useless for residential properties in the UK, where many have complained about it, least of all not being good enough at the job at height.

[Glyn H]

Omnivac do not hold any license over a wet and dry vacuum!

Thats true and we havent protected a wet and dry vac

We have protected guttervacs  though

if you have patented the whole idea, please do provide us with the patent numbers and info so we can check..

You word the above like a Police Officer questioning a suspect with regard to a criminal offence but with less flair.
As I am not considering selling my intellectual property to you, nor are you a business partner neither are you  financing my ventures, I consider it impudence that you would expect me to answer your question.

[Chris Galloway]

Omnivac do not hold any license over a wet and dry vacuum!

Thats true and we havent protected a wet and dry vac

We have protected guttervacs  though

if you have patented the whole idea, please do provide us with the patent numbers and info so we can check..

You word the above like a Police Officer questioning a suspect with regard to a criminal offence but with less flair.
As I am not considering selling my intellectual property to you, nor are you a business partner neither are you  financing my ventures, I consider it impudence that you would expect me to answer your question.

You never answered it last time either  So basically we dont have any idea what you have patented, with regards to the "system"

anyway, so let me get this right, you have patented, gutter vacs full stop? No one else can design a gutter vac? or no one else can design one using a wet and dry vac? (with a commercial intent to supply that is not for personal use).

Anyway im not trying to get in a war with you, in fact ive got a lot of respect for you, as you have obviously helped a lot of members here, im just merely seeing how this works.
Its a pretty bold statement to make when you say a gutter vac was your invention, when its actually using a wet and dry vacuum - so what exactly have you invented? (apart from the toolings used with it, and modifications such as the improved inlet design)

[ftp]

I don't know, but maybe, just maybe Glyns invented a method of fleecing gullable british windowcleaners of their hard earned cash by inflating prices of everyday components. Are you 100% sure it's your invention Glyn? I'm having doubts.

www.guttervac.co.nz/history.htm


www.guttervac.com.au/default.html

[Kevin R]

I don't know, but maybe, just maybe Glyns invented a method of fleecing gullable british windowcleaners of their hard earned cash by inflating prices of everyday components.

www.guttervac.co.nz/history.htm


www.guttervac.com.au/default.html

After that comment you'll be hard pushed to get much advice 

[Kevin R]

Also do you see anyone else openly  selling a gutter vac system that works?

The Omnivac is tried and tested.  Have you noticed all the guys that make money buy the Omnivac? Why? because apart form being a really good product it works - has the experience and the customer service and warrantees to back it up. Also you can let your employees use it as its designed for purpose and therefore covered by your insurance which a DIY machine is not. The HSE will have a field day when your pole wears and falls, seriously injuring someone. But hey you saved £300.

The words cheap and foolish spring to my mind - but hey there is no helping some people.

I have decided to no longer help or give advice with the Guttervac on this forum.

[mark311069]

I don't know, but maybe, just maybe Glyns invented a method of fleecing gullable british windowcleaners of their hard earned cash by inflating prices of everyday components. Are you 100% sure it's your invention Glyn? I'm having doubts.

www.guttervac.co.nz/history.htm


www.guttervac.com.au/default.html

i agree with kevin thats a stupid comment, nobody with a omnivac will help you now, so back to your garage to tinker with your bits and bobs.
thanks to you and people like you kevin has now chosen not to give advice about the gutter vac. even though i dont have his experiance with the vac, from now on i also wont be trying to help anybody on this site with gutter vac issues.

[Glyn H]

You never answered it last time either. So basically we dont have any idea what you have patented, with regards to the "system"

Thats right because you are nobody to me. You are not a customer, you are not a freind, in fact I have never even met you.
You must think that I am an idiot.
Who  would give out sensitive company information on a forum to people that are only looking to copy our invention.

[Glyn H]

FTP

If you are going to add links at least check what they are.
Guttervac NZ and AU are a franchise for a company that sells the idea of  standing on roofs to clean gutters.

[Chris Galloway]

You never answered it last time either. So basically we dont have any idea what you have patented, with regards to the "system"

Thats right because you are nobody to me. You are not a customer, you are not a freind, in fact I have never even met you.
You must think that I am an idiot.
Who  would give out sensitive company information on a forum to people that are only looking to copy our invention.

Wrong, i am actually considering buying the omnipole for use with the system, as i have doubts over the sl2 as we all know, and im still intrested as to how the pole is set up, but from the pictures ive seen, its looks tapered - which i have said before - personally i would appreciate some close up pictures of the gutter vacs pole. Is it one diameter the whole length through?

Keven has explained it, but i always prefer to see pictures.

However if it was to be a success, i WILL invest in a omnivac system.

So far all i have paid out is £200 for a 3000w wet and dry machine. Im no fool, im not paying 2-3 times that much (for a vac) from someone else when i can get it cheaper. I dont have £1000+ to shell out on a system i may not get much custom from, it really depends how it works and how i like using it. As ive said before, im only taking this route as a side service.

I currently dont do commercial work, so im purely in this for the domestic market. There is not as much money in there as there is as commercial, so money needs to be spent wisely.

[matt]

its like groundhog day in here again

last time it was DIY WFP  V's " Off the shelf overpriced system "


i think people should start to send abuse to these DIY Guttervac guys  : : :

[Glyn H]

So far all i have paid out is £200 for a 3000w

For that price you will have bought a pile of rubbish. A cheap chinese machine with crap motors.

[Glyn H]

I don't know, but maybe, just maybe Glyns invented a method of fleecing gullable british windowcleaners of their hard earned cash by inflating prices of everyday components.

Many of our customers  earn the cost of a 24' Guttervac back in one days commercial work or two days domestic. Some charge £1600.00 for a day so how are we fleecing them?

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink

[Van the man]

Kevin R,  I honestly hope when you calm down you will reconsider the above statement, as I for one have gained valuble knowledge and information from your many threads regarding "Guttervac". And hope that a "heated disagreement" with literally 1 or 2 members will not deprive hundreds of members access to your undoubted knowledge on what is a relatively new subject (though, I`m sure at this point some smart arse will now inform me cleaning gutters is not a new subject).

[WCE]

So because of a few people who have upset you the rest with genuine questions have to suffer? Thats real nice kev. Next time you want advice on poles don't bother asking. It works both ways.

[Chris Galloway]

So far all i have paid out is £200 for a 3000w

For that price you will have bought a pile of rubbish. A cheap chinese machine with crap motors.

what are YOU moaning about then? cos if it does well (the idea and i like doing it) then i WILL actually buy an Omnivac!!!!!

Its the diy guys that are bringing attention to the subject, regarding equipment required, such as generators, types of pole, whats required in the suction, what cables/fuses connections to use, tooling such as a gutter spike.

All these posts regarding DIY Guttervacs, have actually worked in Omnivacs favour, people can see how good the system in principle is, as few are trying a diy, MOST however will think thats too much work for me, but the idea is great and everyone's has or is likely to get one.

Where they going to get it? Yes thats right Omni!

Just because 3 or 4 people on this forum have decided to publically build a DIY version, to test the waters before thinking about buying one, you have to get the hump.

[matt]

as ive said before

this is just like the first DIY WFP discussions, the people who had paid for " off the shelf systems " AND the makers of the said systems rubbished the idea of DIY WFP, it would never work, of course the makers rubbished it, they had to, they make good money out of selling the stuff, the buyers of the stuff also had to rubbish it, afterall they had to try and justify why they had paid OTT for a system they could have built themselves in a weekend

its the same now with the Guttervac people, they will find the solution for everything and i hope they spread the word for every1 else to use

keep up the good work DIY'er guttervac'ers, Mr H has done it, done a guide for it , it does look simple to do

personally for high work i use my DIY'ed jet wash attachment and for domestic houses i just use my ladder for a climb in the mibble of the house, use my pole and scoop to push it along to either end and then climb ladder and to scoop out either end  the customer loves the hands on touch

[lovewindows]

Why don't we get back to the thread topic......
All these questions have been asked and answered before and people seem to think they need to keep justifying the system they prefer.

The title was:- guttervac & sl2

Question was:- want them both , whats the way to get them at the best price

Answer is:- Depends on which gutter vac system you want and what height of SL2 you need...... Cheapest price for an SL2 is Gardiners. Cheapest gutter vac is DIY.

Regards
Mr H

Ok ,
Want an Omnivac 30ft, and a SL2 40ft, for separate jobs, Omnivac for gutters and high level internal cleaning [ jetted pref as i'm sure i could use this at some point ] .and an SL2 [ pos SLX ] as i might have a 4 story job comeing up [ fingers crossed ] and it appears thats THE pole to have and i like the idea of adding to the length if needed rather than buying another WFP
 I'm not particulary handy with DIY but i'm sure i could rig a camera system up to the Omnivac as i think thats a great idea, but as for DIY vac i'd rather have something proffessional for a professional job.
So by buying them together can i save money  ?






  

[Chris Galloway]

No, they are from different suppliers.

Omnipole do the vac

Gardiners do the SL2 and SL-X (however if you buy these 2 together you may be able to save on postage and packing? )

[lovewindows]

No, they are from different suppliers.

Omnipole do the vac

Gardiners do the SL2 and SL-X (however if you buy these 2 together you may be able to save on postage and packing? )

God your quick, i only nipped out for a fAg !
But thats what i wanted to know " thanks "