[[GQC] Tim]

I wish you lived a bit closer Peter, I would really like to watch you and get some tips on cleaning with wfp from a (real) pro.

[groundhog]

 


peter i remember a video link you put on here a while ago. I think it was for the autobrush when it was ready to sell. On that topic there were loads of posts saying it was not possible to clean a window that quick and still do a good job. You argued your point but many still disagreed. I must admit I was also a bit dubious at the time. But now i realise that it is very possible to do that.

I was one of the ones who said that it was not possible, I have now changed my mind a bit, as I can now clean windows faster than Peter does in that clip!! But the difference is that I clean the frames and sills as well, and rinse with the brush off the glass to ensure a perfect finish!!! 

[ronnie paton]

peter maybe i could come and spend a couple of hours watching you one day?? i live in mancheater

[Rob_Mac]

Just after we started cleaning windows wfp we adapted all of the brushes to an over the top fan spray ( bought from a cleaning suppliers - used on the wands of carpet cleaners.

We screwed them in place on the angle of the brush head - so that the fan spray came just over the top of the brush. About 5mm from the edge of the brush.

We did this for all our brushes, upstairs and downstairs.

The only other fan spray I have seen was a Tucker one? that seemed to have it about a foot away from the brush on the angle of the goose neck.

In my opinion no brush will self clean itself quickly enough to not drag dirt down a window if we use the pencil jets (through the brush).

Also if you are lifting off the glass you are leaving yourself prone to pulls and future problems with backs etc and even at a couple of storey this will be aproblem.

With an over the brush fan spray - used properly - so you are not catching the brickwork at the top of the window  you have the best of both worlds.

 I do not understand why the suppliers have never developed this system. It works - it works excellently at any height and on those commercial or really high windows you know you have at least given it a 100% pure water rinse.

Until we stopped window cleaning full time (back in March) we cleaned some 3 storey windows on a bank head office and got excellent results - using this practise (we had to do the insides as well so we could see how well the outsides had dried) we would clean about 600 3 storey windows easily in 1 day at nearly 15 metres.

Rob

Rob

[geefree]

Just after we started cleaning windows wfp we adapted all of the brushes to an over the top fan spray ( bought from a cleaning suppliers - used on the wands of carpet cleaners.

We screwed them in place on the angle of the brush head - so that the fan spray came just over the top of the brush. About 5mm from the edge of the brush.

We did this for all our brushes, upstairs and downstairs.

The only other fan spray I have seen was a Tucker one? that seemed to have it about a foot away from the brush on the angle of the goose neck.

In my opinion no brush will self clean itself quickly enough to not drag dirt down a window if we use the pencil jets (through the brush).

Also if you are lifting off the glass you are leaving yourself prone to pulls and future problems with backs etc and even at a couple of storey this will be aproblem.

With an over the brush fan spray - used properly - so you are not catching the brickwork at the top of the window you have the best of both worlds.

 I do not understand why the suppliers have never developed this system. It works - it works excellently at any height and on those commercial or really high windows you know you have at least given it a 100% pure water rinse.

Until we stopped window cleaning full time (back in March) we cleaned some 3 storey windows on a bank head office and got excellent results - using this practise (we had to do the insides as well so we could see how well the outsides had dried) we would clean about 600 3 storey windows easily in 1 day at nearly 15 metres.

Rob

Rob

thanks for that, good idea will try and use that ...

[window wonder]

100 psi i rinse on

[Rob_Mac]

I can rinse a window with 6000psi it doesnt get it clean!!!!

Rob

[twt]

I have to admit i was one of those who thought that peters way of cleaning windows would not work and that you had to rinses brush off . But after thinking i could only knock it if i tried it i realised i was wrong.

A month ago i was cleaning a bay window i had scrubbed the frames and the glass then i had to leave and didn't come back for an hour (fire brigade call out) on my return i thought i will do that window again because i didn't rinse but upon inspection it was fine, which goes to show it takes less clean a window with wfp than i thought.I still continue with my usual method though to be on the safe side and it is give the frames and glass a scrub and then go over them again brush on as a rinse.

One thing i would say is that when you use a new method you will probably scrutinise the windows and may find some spots or runs, my suggestion is use your usuall method on one house then rinse brush on on the house next door to it, after check both houses and i suggest there will be very litte difference inbetween them. Both will have the odd run or spot  but will be perfectly acceptable to the customer. And please don't tell me that all your windows come up perfect every time because they dont and this applies for trad or wfp. You will always leave the odd spot, drip,smear etc..... whatever method you use but it will still be ten times better than if the customer had cleaned it themselves.

[Peter Fogwill]

Just after we started cleaning windows wfp we adapted all of the brushes to an over the top fan spray ( bought from a cleaning suppliers - used on the wands of carpet cleaners.

We screwed them in place on the angle of the brush head - so that the fan spray came just over the top of the brush. About 5mm from the edge of the brush.

I am glad it works for you but it didn't work for me.

The only other fan spray I have seen was a Tucker one? that seemed to have it about a foot away from the brush on the angle of the goose neck.

I think you will probably find that other suppliers have tried it and it was not so successful, or there was a better way.  I know of a couple, and I definitely did myself.  If you have water hitting the glass under pressure which a fan spray will produce, then you will get water spraying where you don't want it to go.

In my opinion no brush will self clean itself quickly enough to not drag dirt down a window if we use the pencil jets (through the brush).

The brush is not so much self cleaning, think of it more like it's not dirty in the first place.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

peter maybe i could come and spend a couple of hours watching you one day?? i live in mancheater

You can if you want Ronnie.  I don't clean many windows these days as I am busy selling systems, but no doubt I could arrange something.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

I was one of the ones who said that it was not possible, I have now changed my mind a bit, as I can now clean windows faster than Peter does in that clip!! But the difference is that I clean the frames and sills as well, and rinse with the brush off the glass to ensure a perfect finish!!! 

Nice to hear it Groundhog, perhaps you could offer Ronnie a couple of hours to watch you?

Peter

[ronnie paton]

peter that would be great my email is ronberclear@yahoo.co.uk

Ronnie

[groundhog]

[quote author=Peter Fogwill link=topic=55288.msg469781#msg469781 date=1211133327


Nice to hear it Groundhog, perhaps you could offer Ronnie a couple of hours to watch you?

Peter

If I can work out how to do it I will put a clip of myself cleaning a similar house to the one in your clip on youtube or something. I have learnt a lot from you Peter although I don't agree with all that you say, especially the rinsing on thing! I am however very interested in your clampless pole and auto brush, I have experimented with an old predator pole which I removed the clamps from, on most work I found it much quicker than having to fiddle about with clamps, the only downside was that the pole would swivel very easily which could be annoying, have you come up with a solution to this problem yet, I thought that perhaps an oval pole would stop this from happening.

[Peter Fogwill]

[quote author=Peter Fogwill link=topic=55288.msg469781#msg469781 date=1211133327


Nice to hear it Groundhog, perhaps you could offer Ronnie a couple of hours to watch you?

Peter

If I can work out how to do it I will put a clip of myself cleaning a similar house to the one in your clip on you tube or something. I have learnt a lot from you Peter although I don't agree with all that you say, especially the rinsing on thing! I am however very interested in your clampless pole and auto brush, I have experimented with an old predator pole which I removed the clamps from, on most work I found it much quicker than having to fiddle about with clamps, the only downside was that the pole would swivel very easily which could be annoying, have you come up with a solution to this problem yet, I thought that perhaps an oval pole would stop this from happening.

You tube is very easy.   As long as you have the clip on your computer it only takes a few minutes.

People are never going to agree on all things, just as well or the world would be a peculiar place.

The new pole won't swivel, it will go up and down in a straight line.  I did think about an oval shape but the fittings needed to make the pole work effectively would be much harder to engineer.  The pole should be ready at the end of June.

Peter

[jaykie]

I went to buy the auto brush yesterday but left the purchase page when i see the price.

Chris

[Peter Fogwill]

I went to buy the auto brush yesterday but left the purchase page when i see the price.

Chris

Its about double the price of an 11" brush from a supplier.  This is a 15" brush, which will save you gallons of water, and a lot of hassle, and won't be long before it pays for itself.  But you will never know how good it is, unless you try it.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

I was one of the ones who said that it was not possible, I have now changed my mind a bit, as I can now clean windows faster than Peter does in that clip!! But the difference is that I clean the frames and sills as well, and rinse with the brush off the glass to ensure a perfect finish!!! 

Groundhog, I was reading the thread you were referring to and just wondered if your comment at the bottom of page 13 still stands?  I never replied to it at the time because I never seen it.  I probably thought the thread had run it's time, and I wasn't checking the forum, as I was probably catching up with some work.

Anyway if any newbies are interested in this thread, they may also be interested in this one as well... www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24877.240
At the time it was the longest thread on the forum at 14 pages long, has it been beaten since I wonder?

Peter

[Ian_Giles]

This is a question that can never be answered to the satisfaction of all because each method has it fans.
I personally rinse on the glass and I never have a problem, it's quicker for one thing.
Your brush is being continually cleaned at the same time as the window and you can always flick it back and forth quickly over parts of the frame to replicate running your fingers through the brush to flick out debris.

I think it is all down to personal technique and confidence.


Ian

[windowwashers]

This is a question that can never be answered to the satisfaction of all because each method has it fans.
I personally rinse on the glass and I never have a problem, it's quicker for one thing.
Your brush is being continually cleaned at the same time as the window and you can always flick it back and forth quickly over parts of the frame to replicate running your fingers through the brush to flick out debris.

I think it is all down to personal technique and confidence.


Ian

confidence is the best word to sum this up.
I do both for this reason

[groundhog]

Peter yes I do stand by that, you say yourself that you use a high flow rate! so after you have cleaned the top windows then of course there is going to drips going onto the windows below!!