[Peter Fogwill]

There is many things being printed on here that will save you time and money, the secret is to find them, and act upon them, and not knock the person who is willing to share it freely. 

Peter 

Very true. The info is all on here.
peter i remember a video link you put on here a while ago. I think it was for the autobrush when it was ready to sell. On that topic there were loads of posts saying it was not possible to clean a window that quick and still do a good job. You argued your point but many still disagreed. I must admit I was also a bit dubious at the time. But now i realise that it is very possible to do that.

I'm still learning and finding my way with wfp but i have come to realise that it is not so much about mastering our equipment (because we do that through use anyway), but it is just as important to keep an eye on our jobs.
If we learn about the properties and windows we are cleaning it is possible to see how much or how little needs to be done in order to do a top job.

With wfp there are so many variables to take into account that there is no definitive answer for everything. But by learning about the job we are working on we can cut corners without cutting the quality.
But it is hard to understand that until we actually try it out.

Very true Mark, and a few folk have commented on that particular thread since.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

I would just like to say I agree with what's been said in the last two reply's! 

It would seem that I may have upset a couple of people with my replies 

This was not my intention, I am sorry if I have offended anyone! 

I have only been on this forum for a very short time, I have learnt a lot... I would like to say thank you for that. 

I put it down to my so called "DRY" sense of humor and not taking life to seriously 

I will try to be more reasonable in my responses in future   

Do you mean in another thread? It dosn't seem like you offended anyone in this thread.

Peter

[pjulk]

I rinse on the glass have done for about 2 1/2 years now.
I just tilt the edge of the brush a bit but the brush stays on the glass.

When i first changed to WFP i used to lift off and thought it was a right pain in the rear.

I have a good flow rate and the windows i clean usually come up excellent.

[windowwashers]

Nwh, Mark D and Peter F, also anyone else please can you post on the cleaning brush post I would like to see just how everyone else does it.


Cheers all


Ian,

[Peter Fogwill]

i have never before rinsed on the glass till last week. did my first 40ft job and i had to rinse on because it was too hard to rinse off. windows had not been cleaned for twelve years but came up ok. will hope they will be better next time.if i had the choice i would rinse off but obviously you do not always get it.

Most people who do rinse off the glass don't at the above height.  The windows at that height are just important as the windows at a lower height. so are they not cleaning the higher windows to the same standard as the lower height windows?  

We have established that there is less strain on the body at least rinsing on the glass. If the answer is yes we clean the higher windows to the same standard, then why not rinse on with the lower height windows as well?  And if the answer is no we don't clean the higher windows to the same standard, then I would want to learn to clean all windows rinsing on the glass, so as I could clean high windows to the same standard as lower windows.

This question is not directed at you Karygate, but anyone who wants to answer?

Peter

[Darren O]

Always rinse with the brush on the glass and never had a problem just make sure you have a high flow rate.Dont understand why anybody would want to rinse with the brush of the glass you must not have a lot of confidence in the tools you are using.

[geefree]

the bristles which touch  the glass , wether it be on an angle or not... must be a concern..

to be 100% sure is why i rinse off the glass. then i know its 100% pure water rinsing the glass.

[Peter Fogwill]

Gazza, maybe a concern for you, but not a concern for me.  My bristles are constantly being cleaned on every window, every second the water is passing through my brush.

Peter

[ronnie paton]

peter wot brush do youe use? and what jets?

[geefree]

ok i nderstand your answer

how are your bristles being constantly cleaned...are you scrubbing the bristles the same as you are the glass.?

no. so i rinse off to be sure.

[mark dew]

I only gained confidence after a year and a half of cleaning off the glass.
In that time (apart from 1st cleans) i would turn up for a job and just start cleaning asap so i only ever saw a wet window. And therefore couldn't really tell how clean they still were.
Eventually i started to use a higher flow rate and then walked around a few jobs (when the customer wasn't in, so as not to give the game away ) and checked the windows. Some sides were dirty but others clean. On the clean windows I then started just to "throw water at the window" and move on to the next.
The following month i checked again and they were good.
I then started rinse on the glass.
I still have jobs and windows that i have to spend more time on and rinse individually off the glass but they are fewer and fewer now as i get more adept at sizing up what needs to be done.

One effect it has had though in the last 6 months i have had many customers accuse/tell me that i am too quick. I can see myself losing a job here and there because of resentment at what i charge for how long i take now.
This pees me off but it won't change how i work now. I will only slow down when i hit a problem or get to the stage where i am that quick, the job hasn't been done properly.
I guarantee my work to cover this scenario, so am not too worried about the future.

[Peter Fogwill]

ok i nderstand your answer

how are your bristles being constantly cleaned...are you scrubbing the bristles the same as you are the glass.?

no. so i rinse off to be sure.

You answered NO but the answer is YES, the bristles are being cleaned the same as the glass,

Peter

[geefree]

so off the glass would cause no scenarios... or problems.

[NWH]

Look at a true mono brush after it`s been used,there will be nothing left in it hardly at all.

[geefree]

so pure wtaer .. off the glass would take away any problems...... can u honestly say your bristles are as pure as pue water ?

[mark dew]

so pure wtaer .. off the glass would take away any problems...... can u honestly say your bristles are as pure as pue water ?

A good flow rate is important.

[ronnie paton]

so pure wtaer .. off the glass would take away any problems...... can u honestly say your bristles are as pure as pue water ?

i do agree my mono brush is always full of cob webs and dirt, taking the pole down to clean brush for each window is time consuming if useing a pole for the ground floor as well

[Peter Fogwill]

OK gaz lets try it this way.  When you walk away from your window is it clean?  Lets say the answer is yes.  OK how is it clean?  Because you cleaned it with pure water, agree?  Well what if you were cleaning your brush while cleaning the window with the pure water.  You can clean a window with pure water right? well why can't you clean the bristles with clean water as well?

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

so pure wtaer .. off the glass would take away any problems...... can u honestly say your bristles are as pure as pue water ?

i do agree my mono brush is always full of cob webs and dirt, taking the pole down to clean brush for each window is time consuming if useing a pole for the ground floor as well

You have to remember that cobwebs stick to the brush bristles instead of being rinsed away like dust or whatever is on the glass.  Cobwebs don't cause a problem as they don't dissolve into the water, and neither does most dirt on the glass. 

Birds dirt will dissolve in the water and could cause problems if not dealt with correctly, but that is another storey for another post.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

Johna, I have many pleasures in life, and believe it or not one of them is when trying to explain something to someone, the way I see it, and suddenly the penny drops. 

I get pleasure in seeing people working very effectively cleaning windows.  I get a bit frustrated when I see someone working badly.  I once saw a window cleaner working in Blackpool on a hotel.  He was cleaning a third storey window, and was having a problem with the brush fitting on the pole.  He lowered his pole and fiddled about with it for at least 10 minutes, and the whole time his water was flowing from the brush.  I felt like jumping out the car and turning it off for him.

Peter