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mark dew

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 01:58:16 am »
You can rinse on the glass quite easily just by having a healthy flow rate and tilting the brush slightly while zig zagging down the window.
If net curtains are up at the window then even better.
I mostly rinse off the glass on downstairs windows though. Especially the kitchen and any other window without net curtains or the like.
I always run my fingers through the brush after each job to clear any debris or flakey paint. 

net curtains....? they pull back you know.... thats like leaving muck on a black car...

if you doing the job it has to be done right..

this is a typical example of why you should rinse off the glass.... hiding your dirt behind net curtains is certainly not my way of promoting my business.... so this guy is so unsure of rinsing on the glass , he feels comfortable with net curtains......

net curtains or not... the windows should be immaculate..

why have doubts.


rinse off.

There's so many assumptions in that reply gazza.
I don't hide dirt behind net curtains. Who said that? Apart from you!  ::)
Just because you don't do something does that make your way right? I don't think so because you can't / don't rinse off the glass. But you will be able to one day with more experience of the jobs you are working on.
There are jobs that i rinse on and jobs that i rinse off. Making an assumption that rinsing on the glass means a dirty window is naive.

The only reason i mentioned net curtains is cos when they aren't up at a window its because (with the majority of my customers anyway) the owners spend more time looking out of that particular window than windows with net curtains.

I'm very quick too. Too quick to do a good job for some people on here. I'm not naive enough to know that i do a perfect job with wfp every time, but i do a good one. i also spend that little bit longer on kitchen and lounge windows, but that doesn't mean i don't do a good job on the others because i do them quicker.

All i do is enough to do a good job. No more than that. I guarantee my work and until the speed at which i've done a job is too quick for a good result, then i will strive to go faster and be more efficient.
When i hit problems due to this i will slow down and work out where i've gone wrong and react accordingly. Until then, i will try various techniques that will allow me to be done as quick as i can go without compromising on a clean window.

It can be done gaz. But it won't be possible until you try.
I have explained a technique that works for me on most windows at the start of my previous post. Try it. It has cut my time down on some work by 1/3 and i now do it whenever the job will allow me to get away with it. Many jobs or windows don't.
Though i'd recommend if or when you try to rinse on the glass to do it on a downstairs window where you can view the result and not the kitchen window until you know it will be good. Choose a window with net curtains.  ;D
Oh and don't forget a clean brush. Takes seconds to clean and can save minutes per job.

Fortunately our job isn't rocket science. It is very easy to know if a window is clean or not. Assuming a window you've never seen is not clean because you work a different way is stupid. But it's your business to run as you see fit. Good luck with that.

groundhog

  • Posts: 1806
Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 09:23:32 am »
I can't really see why rinsing on the glass should be any quicker, surely what you really mean is that you don't rinse? Now I can see how that would be quicker! I have tried this myself, but found it a bit hit and miss!! Don't get me wrong I can see that rinsing brush on at 30' or above is sensible, but below that I can't see the problem.  ;)

Peter Fogwill

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 09:23:49 am »
I have to agree with Mark on this one.  When traditional I have been accused of not cleaning the windows properly because I didn't detail the edges of the glass after squeegeeing.  According to some there is no way the window could be cleaned properly, only because they personally couldn't use a squeegee properly and they had to squeegee.  

The dishcloth comparison is nonsense and here is why.  When you go to your window needing cleaned you are going to a pane of glass with very little on it that would dissolve into your pure water.  Most of the stuff on the glass would be washed down the glass, and not dissolve into the water.  All the water coming out of the brush is pure therefore apart from washing dirt off the glass, it is also washing dirt off the brush.

Rinsing off the glass is a waste of energy and a waste of time.  Ronnie you have a perfect opportunity to find out how to do it properly, don't waste it.  Some would have the guy sacked, my advice is learn from him.  Could be that the guy dosn't clean the windows properly, and if so don't give up find someone who can, and get them to show you.  You know it can be done so find out how, it will save you time water and energy, what more could a window cleaner ask for.

Peter

Peter Fogwill

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 09:42:03 am »
I can't really see why rinsing on the glass should be any quicker, surely what you really mean is that you don't rinse? Now I can see how that would be quicker! I have tried this myself, but found it a bit hit and miss!! Don't get me wrong I can see that rinsing brush on at 30' or above is sensible, but below that I can't see the problem.  ;)

It is quicker because purposely lifting the brush off the glass and aiming the water all over the glass, without the brush actually on the glass, takes more time.  And most of the time with a decent flow, the glass is cleaned enough before you get to the stage where you lift the brush off the glass, to do your rinse.  This goes into other things that the original question dosn't ask, so I won't bother going into detail.

The hit and miss part you will get with experience.  The cleanliness of the window above 30 foot, should be the same as the windows below 30 foot.

Peter

matt

Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 12:30:17 pm »
i rinse on for my commercail work

off for my domestic


NWH

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2008, 05:05:00 pm »
If your rinsing off the glass on upstairs windows your all mad it`s not needed,what Peter says is spot on if you use enough water and a mono brush.The few bits that are left on the glass are gone when the glass is dry,your making hard work for yourselfs by rinsing off but at least you`ll keep the osteopath in business.

geefree

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2008, 07:41:27 pm »
Hi Mark, i take your point,

but why mention a net curtain.

i obviously assumed that you did not clean it as well as others that were plainly  on view to the customer.

so I disagreeumption was correct although obviously, only i replied, to that part.hence you saying only i thought that.... what else could i think , regarding you cleaning differently with net curtains up??

but i take your point regarding rinsing on and off,

but i also stand by what is good for myself, and posting that preference..

as its a forum for opinions, that is what i provided,... now why would i want others to do exactly the same as me?.... its my opinion and my advice...

very similar to most other posts.

Regards.

Gary.

ronnie paton

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2008, 09:10:03 pm »
some good replys and i  will try rinsing on it to me seems like it will be quicker.

to sack an employee cause he has an opinion would be stupid no one knows everything and you never stop learning.......always be open minded :)

Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2008, 09:47:03 pm »
 :)Why not do it 50/50 tilt the brush resting on the glass with one jet slightly higher swaying motion down glass...simple  ;)

As a rule though...If you can lift it off!  ;D

It only took a couple of months to work that out!  :)

Question...
Have WFP's been around for 16 years  :o  ;D

jouk45

Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2008, 10:00:59 pm »
rinsing of the glass, was introduced mainly  by the commercial workers,working at high levels, i rinse of every time,

paulscotney

Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2008, 10:01:48 pm »
I think the ideal solution would be one of Peter Fogwills autobrushes with 2 pencil or maybe fan jets controlled by a trigger on the top of the brush. U would only press the trigger after cleaning the top of the frame and went onto the glass, so that u didn't spray the bricks above. Then u would be rinsing without taking extra time to rinse.
Please don't tell me Tucker make a brush like this because all I can find in their literature is a brush with ONE jet above the centre of it.

ronnie paton

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2008, 10:07:28 pm »
Wfp has been around very long time 10 years or longer but no one said he had 16 years experience in WFP but in WINDOW CLEANING.

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2008, 10:34:16 pm »
The only reason you need to rinse off the glass would be because you have a dirty brush think about it,the only way your leaving anything behind is if you have a brush that absorbs dirt.Try using a mono brush and then look at the results,i`ve been cleaning this way for ages now and the results are no different to rinsing off,i think it`s more of a confidence thing really.

mark dew

  • Posts: 2901
Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2008, 10:35:51 pm »
maybe i gave the wrong idea about net curtains. They are more forgiving though than say kitchen or lounge windows but i still rinse off on kitchen / living room etc, but more out of habit than neccessity.
There are jobs that i have to rinse off the glass only, but that is only until they go a few cleans or so until they come up good.
I check 1st cleans thoroughly later that day to see if there are marks or runs. And do this continually for each clean until they are good. When they get to this stage i have the confidence to rinse on the glass. Until then, i don't have that confidence.
I rinsed off for 1 1/2 years of wfp until i noticed many windows were just as clean the following month. I then tried rinsing on for these jobs and checked again the following month. They were good. I wish i'd done that a year before.
The most important thing when rinsing on the glass is to have a good flow rate and a clean brush.

paulscotney

Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2008, 10:41:02 pm »
Mark, I have very few houses with nets but today I had one with nets all around the conservatory. I thought of you. I understood what u meant.

mark dew

  • Posts: 2901
Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2008, 10:45:57 pm »
Mark, I have very few houses with nets but today I had one with nets all around the conservatory. I thought of you. I understood what u meant.

lol

i'm flattered.  ;D

Peter Fogwill

  • Posts: 1415
Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2008, 11:25:47 pm »
The thing is whatever you do in your work life you want to do it as fast, as safe, and as good as possible.  You work to live, and not live to work.  An average window cleaner working 40 hours a week will work around 2000 hours a year.  You would have to be pretty stupid to work 2000 hour if you only had to work 1000 hours and get the same money.  I know what I would choose if I had the choice..

I am not trying to say that rinsing on the glass will cut your time in half, but what I am saying is a clever window cleaner can earn double the money a not so cleaver window cleaner can make in a year, or work half the hours if he wishes.  I have seen it first hand in traditional cleaning when I would easily earn double what any other cleaner in my area earned in the same amount of time.  I was always one step ahead of them with techniques and equipment, and when they started to catch up I even designed my own tools to keep me ahead.  You may think that it's not much time saved here or there, but it all mounts up, and yes it can easily double your earnings, or cut your work day in half.

We have as much of something as Bill Gates and Richard Branson, and no it's not money.  It is time and we can't make any more of it, we can only make the most of what we have.  We can waste it or we can use it wisely, the choice is yours.  There is many things being printed on here that will save you time and money, the secret is to find them, and act upon them, and not knock the person who is willing to share it freely. 

Peter 

mark dew

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2008, 12:17:52 am »
There is many things being printed on here that will save you time and money, the secret is to find them, and act upon them, and not knock the person who is willing to share it freely. 

Peter 

Very true. The info is all on here.
peter i remember a video link you put on here a while ago. I think it was for the autobrush when it was ready to sell. On that topic there were loads of posts saying it was not possible to clean a window that quick and still do a good job. You argued your point but many still disagreed. I must admit I was also a bit dubious at the time. But now i realise that it is very possible to do that.

I'm still learning and finding my way with wfp but i have come to realise that it is not so much about mastering our equipment (because we do that through use anyway), but it is just as important to keep an eye on our jobs.
If we learn about the properties and windows we are cleaning it is possible to see how much or how little needs to be done in order to do a top job.

With wfp there are so many variables to take into account that there is no definitive answer for everything. But by learning about the job we are working on we can cut corners without cutting the quality.
But it is hard to understand that until we actually try it out.

Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2008, 10:03:32 am »
 :) I would just like to say I agree with what's been said in the last two reply's!  :)

It would seem that I may have upset a couple of people with my replies  :-[

This was not my intention, I am sorry if I have offended anyone!  :-[

I have only been on this forum for a very short time, I have learnt a lot... I would like to say thank you for that.  8)

I put it down to my so called "DRY" sense of humor and not taking life to seriously  :-[

I will try to be more reasonable in my responses in future  ;)  :)

karygate

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Re: do you rinse on glass or offf?
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2008, 10:35:01 am »
i have never before rinsed on the glass till last week. did my first 40ft job and i had to rinse on because it was too hard to rinse off. windows had not been cleaned for twelve years but came up ok. will hope they will be better next time.if i had the choice i would rinse off but obviously you do not always get it.
gary