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WCE

  • Posts: 968
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2008, 12:54:08 am »
My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
Nice as always tennent! Maybe dmh didn't realise how little it could cost.   As he is trad maybe he's never looked into it before

Any suggestions on how i try the wfp out? I dont know anyone offhand who can show me Thanks.
If you cant find someone on here who can help (where abouts are you) then give ionic systems a call. They will give you a demo so you can see what it's all about, although just remember there equipment isn't at the budget end of the market and would be an expensive way to go about it (they do van mounts  so if you were buying theres you'd need a van) but your not interested in their product just how it works, If you phone them and let them think your interested in buying a system and they will gladly come and give a demo and answer your questions. The kit I suggested will work just as well.
WCE- For Windows that shine everytime!

Suffolkcleaners

  • Posts: 765
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2008, 12:57:43 am »
Cheers WCE

Londoner

Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 07:53:26 am »
Trad is best on quality but its slower and harder work. WFP is quicker and less work so its more profitable per hour and you can work longer.

That in two sentances sums up the whole trad v WFP issue.

As long as the customer pays you at the end of the job who cares?

I don't.

edltd

  • Posts: 18
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2008, 01:28:24 pm »
Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
hello there wfp is good on ups, some of the people just dont like wfp.i cleaned windows 17years traditional.then last 3 wfp.

cat9921

  • Posts: 669
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2008, 02:41:27 pm »
Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
hello there wfp is good on ups, some of the people just dont like wfp.i cleaned windows 17years traditional.then last 3 wfp.

Edltd is WFP just good on ups ? and if so why is it good on ups
and not the downs  ::)

groundhog

  • Posts: 1806
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2008, 02:43:59 pm »
This thread is like a time warp!!! :o I thought we'd been through all this rubbish in the early days of the forum!!! If you want to earn more money, then get wfp, if your happy plodding along in the past, then stick to your ladders!!! it's as simple as that!  ;)

Pittmonkey

  • Posts: 1097
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2008, 03:51:50 pm »
DMH, where are you based?.

Wayne
My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
BTW, Thats was Tennents way of saying hello and welcome to the forum  ;D
'Success is buried in the garden of failure'

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2008, 04:17:17 pm »
PMSL you had too didnt you LWC this post couldnt of come at a better time

wait for NWH to now reply

Chris
Get a WFP lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2008, 04:19:54 pm »
My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
I hate to say it but i agree with that,these days it has to be WFP from the start but trad experience is priceless.You must learn the complete way to do the job and that includes using a squeeggee.

Sanity

  • Posts: 426
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2008, 04:31:46 pm »
My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

Opiniions are like bung holes.....everyone has one and they are full of sh*t

Particularly yours.


TennetClean

  • Posts: 497
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2008, 04:33:05 pm »
you love me really
My friends call me Tuppence Clean

Sanity

  • Posts: 426
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2008, 04:37:03 pm »
 x x x  :D

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2008, 04:37:37 pm »
My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

Opiniions are like not a very nice persons.....everyone has one and they are full of sh*t

Particularly yours.


I bet your trad lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sanity

  • Posts: 426
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 04:49:12 pm »
The way I see it, WFP is just another tool in the WC's arsenal.  some jobs can only be done with ladders (access, balconies etc), others with WFP (dangerous ladder access, above conservatories etc)

Many WC's work with a combination of the two. 

I would bet that even TennantClean ( ;) )  has a blade and mop in his van :P

Oh, and Im WFP, but use a blade and mop for one or two of my old-dears who don't like the WFP...

TennetClean

  • Posts: 497
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 04:56:44 pm »
Quote
I would bet that even TennantClean ( Wink )  has a blade and mop in his van

He's right, I do.  It rarely sees the light of day though.  Sometimes for insides etc.  If you can't use a squeegee, then IMO your not a proper window cleaner, no matter how good you are with a pole.
My friends call me Tuppence Clean

Sir Squeaky

  • Posts: 8341
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2008, 05:03:37 pm »
My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
What a stupid reply.

Not many people have a grand or so cash lying around.  ::)

TennetClean

  • Posts: 497
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2008, 05:08:58 pm »
Quote
Not many people have a grand or so cash lying around.

Then they need to get off their lazy butt and do more work.  Seriously if you are not earning enough to afford a pole system then just do something else cos window cleaning isnt for you.
My friends call me Tuppence Clean

Dale Smith

  • Posts: 491
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2008, 05:09:33 pm »
My God ...... I agree with Sanity & Tennett!!!!  ;D
Like Sanity I think WFP & squeegee are part of the arsenal of a w/cleaner, and with Tennett I agree you need to know trad to be a half decent w/cleaner.....

What is the world coming too ....  ;) ;D
Swindon, Wiltshire.

Sir Squeaky

  • Posts: 8341
Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2008, 05:38:22 pm »
Quote
Not many people have a grand or so cash lying around.

Then they need to get off their lazy butt and do more work.  Seriously if you are not earning enough to afford a pole system then just do something else cos window cleaning isnt for you.
Some people may have a lot of bills. ???

You're full of yourself aren't you?

I know window cleaners making £500, £600 or more a week and they can't go forking out a grand or more just like that.

I bet you can't either.

Paul Coleman

Re: Why not traditional?
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2008, 05:59:09 pm »
Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)

All I can do is relate my own experience really.  I couldn't afford WFP either so I borrowed the money for a newish largervan and a system.  Over 5 years that costs me £200 a month (though you must realise that part of this was offset because I no longer had to pay for my Escort van which I used for traditional cleaning).  Without going into too many details as writing about money can irritate somer people, my outgoings are maybe £330 a month to £350 a month higher than trad.  This takes account of everything.  Of course, my RO unit will last long after it has been paid for as you just replace bits as and when you need to.  I'm not going to say how much more per month I earn but trust me, it's a heck of a lot more that £350.  OK, at first WFP slowed me down while getting used to it and doing the first cleans.  It didn't help when some customers resisted the change and there was a 5% turnaround in my customer base too.  After a while, big gaps started appearing in my workload because although I had more than made up for any lost customers, WFP was helping me get through the work so much more quickly.
As you already have a customer base, if you want to work more safely, earn a LOT more money (though this can take a while), not be so knackered when you get home after work, and want to increase the type of work you can do, go and borrow the money for a WFP setup and a van that can carry it.  Of course this may not be possible if your credit score is a bit iffy.  If you do borrow, you may need to be a bit crafty and say it's for a new car.  They can get a bit funny about business loans even in the good years so sometimes what you tell them may need a bit of massaging (it's also known as lying).