[Paul Coleman]

My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

No chance.  Sainsbury's pay more.

[macmac]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

[stig]

My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

Opiniions are like bung holes.....everyone has one and they are full of sh*t

Particularly yours.

[Paul Coleman]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

You got me reviewing my poost Tony.  I hope I haven't presented it as a magic wand myself.  Making the transition was a tricky process for me.  It can be easy to forget that when the teething troubles are but a memory.  So I will add that WFP really done my head in for a while and I found it quite stressful adapting to a different way of working.  However, if you're prepared to put upwith that for a while, the benefits can be enormous if that's how you wish to do things.

[macmac]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

You got me reviewing my poost Tony.  I hope I haven't presented it as a magic wand myself.  Making the transition was a tricky process for me.  It can be easy to forget that when the teething troubles are but a memory.  So I will add that WFP really done my head in for a while and I found it quite stressful adapting to a different way of working.  However, if you're prepared to put upwith that for a while, the benefits can be enormous if that's how you wish to do things.

No, no
Not aimed at you shiner, just a generalisation. IMO it's just as important that negatives of wfp are revealed as positives, as wfp is not for all situations & to tell someone otherwise is selfish & wrong.

It's also quite apparent that many wfp converts didn't have a clue how to price up their trad work, as it seems they are only making more money from the speed aspect.


Tony

[TennetClean]

I think you have misunderstood me my spikey tongued friend.

Any window cleaner, using ladders (not wfp) should be earning plenty.  Window cleaning is profitable, no matter how you do it.  (Using WFP is more profitable, as its quicker but thats by-the-by)  So if somebody is window cleaning using ladders and still cant scrape together enough cash for a WFP system, then they are not very good at window cleaning, simple.

How can you NOT make good money from window cleaning?? That is beyond me.

[jonah]

The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp .   My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall !   I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now  

[xxmattyxx]

The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp .   My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall !   I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now 

Told ya   

[groundhog]

The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp .   My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall !   I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now  

 

So why have you been criticising wfp so much when you had never even seen it in use until today!! I can clean some house up to 4 times as quick as I used to trad, and thats a fact!!!! 

[groundhog]

I know window cleaners making £500, £600 or more a week and they can't go forking out a grand or more just like that.

You can earn that sort of money at Tescos!! A decent window cleaner should be able to take much more!!!! 

[NWH]

It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.

I.E.

tennet charges 40 per hour wfp

Trad guy charges 50 per hour

Who's the numpty now? :

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.

Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking.

Now, anyone else?

Tony

Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.

[groundhog]

You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker

Tony

Sorry but if a trad guy can do a particular house in 10 mins, I can guarantee that I would be able to do the same house in 5 mins or less!!! 

[Sir Squeaky]

Don't start. :

You can't do a 3 bed average estate house in 5 minutes wfp.

Stop cuddling it!
I doesn't love you back.

Anyway, I could do it in 3 minutes trad.

[groundhog]

Don't start. :

You can't do a 3 bed average estate house in 5 minutes wfp.

Oh yes I can!!! 

[groundhog]

Don't start. :


Stop cuddling it!

I doesn't love you back.

Oh yes it does!!!!!!! 

[groundhog]

Anyway, I could do it in 3 minutes trad.

Oh no you can't!!! 

[bluez]

The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp .   My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall !   I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now  

Typical, opinions on everything regardless of knowledge.

[Clive McDonald]

Did you see his thread?

Organising a national leaflet drop for all window cleaners and having a switch board to allocate the work "is not rocket science". My thoughts were this guy can't even organise his mind to decide about wfp and he wants to start a national marketing campaign.

[bluez]

  delusions of granduer, methinks

[sussex187]

i think pole if used in right hands is as good as trad {im trad}but it seems in my area that most who use it abuse it i.e quick scrub quick rinse quick tenner which is good for me cos i pick up loads of ex-pole work cos people dont seem to be using it properly and customers not happy