[Suffolkcleaners]

Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. :

[LWC]

go wfp

[jaykie]

Youll find that there are a lot of trad guys on here but the reason there are more posts on WFP is because there are more issues and problems which people ask on here.

Chris

[craig b]

try it.... go out with some one and give it a go..
you will get your eyes opened..

[jaykie]

PMSL you had too didnt you LWC this post couldnt of come at a better time

wait for NWH to now reply

Chris

[jaykie]

Most of the guys still do some trad or have done in past.

Chris

[pjulk]

A lot of commercial work prefer WFP because of health and safety.

[jonah]

Trad is best as everyone knows 

[ronnie paton]

i have to say wfp is not has straight forward has trad and it can have many head aches but it has a lot of pluses too/

i dont think it faster on ground level but 1st floor it prob is and on commercial were your in one area for a long time.

i sometimes hev my doubts wiv wfp has in my opion a bit of wind on wet windows causes tons of problems and its nearly always windy here but recentky wiv the good weather i can see how after 4 weeks they are still quite clean which feels good!

both are tools and both are needed

[cvdewsbury]

Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. :

My views are similar to yours I am mainly trad but do use a wfp system as well on high work or whereby otherwise instructed my simple moto is IF IT AINT BROKE DON,T FIX IT.

[Suffolkcleaners]

Dont forget guys most of us started by using traditional methods and in my opinion is a great method. I drive to a house (for example 3 bed semi 3 at front 4 at back) ladder off car in seconds job done in 10 mins,your honestly saying guys wfp is quicker? Ive probably done the front by the time you wfp users get the gear sorted. No offence guys cos like i said before i think wfp for some jobs is fantastic.

[WCE]

I think that both methods have their place. Personally I was trad only until 2 years ago. Nowadays I use wfp for 99% of my external work. I still do trad for internal work. Apart from the speed issue what makes wfp my tool of choice is the fact that you work from the ground (even if it wasn't faster I wouldn't regret changing now because of this). When I look back at some of the things I used to do up a ladder it makes me shudder. If i'm honest I have been up a ladder about 10 times in the last 2 years and have found that I have lost my bottle a bit. Before I used to be up and down the ladder many times, day after day without a second thought however I have got so used to being on the ground that everytime i climb a ladder now i'm crapping it!   

[Suffolkcleaners]

Just a general question guys. How much roughly do you need to buy a wfp system? I know it depends on what system etc but how much in total for everything? Might consider this for certain jobs but can never see that i will be converted 100%.

[cvdewsbury]

my system is..

trolley 600

pole 350

r/o system 200

containers and tank  100

other bits of unforseen costs was plumbing costs of getting water in to garage otherwise thats it

[Suffolkcleaners]

Any suggestions on how i try the wfp out? I dont know anyone offhand who can show me Thanks.

[WCE]

Looking at a budget type kit:
Get an ro from ro man (200 gpd) @199.95 inc vat
Then you need a storage tank RO man IBC £60
Then for piping to connect it up Allow £100 (it should be less)
Then you need a back pack and a couple of poles say £500
Then some 25L containers (10 off) If you have to buy them  £60
Tds meter- £25 max
And get some di resin in around £70 per bag
Total = £1074

[Suffolkcleaners]

What would you reccomend,i use a vauxhall car so dont want to go the van mounted route,so what is the best way?? Thanks.

[WCE]

Thats down to opinion but, if you were planning to only use the system for certain jobs (domestic & small commercial) then get a backpack and a few containers. That way you could do the few but also the kit wouldn't take up to much space. 

[TennetClean]

My opinion is...

if you cant afford water-fed pole system...

dont become a window cleaner.

AND

If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty.  Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.

Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.

[Suffolkcleaners]

Well i can actually afford a wfp system,but cant see the point in using wfp for my round. It takes me 10 mins to do a standard 3 front 4 back semi at a tenner a go,oh yes i think i can afford a wfp. Work out the maths you numpty. Anyway without getting off the point,think both have possitives and negatives.