[matt]

I'm sure I'm due to renew my subscription, and I will, and hopefully Philip will get more support from suppliers advertising in his magazine; other than Ionics.

you wuld think so, BUT are the others being priced out of the mag, afterall ionics dont really pay for the adverts, so if the mag prices others out, they have a great stance with a mag and adverts, a window cleaning mag, full of ionics products

[Tosh]

Matt, I'm a window cleaner and have no great aspirations in life other than getting the bills paid; not getting cancer; and living a stress-free(ish) existance till I die.

But a window cleaning magazine hitting my doormat every-now-and-then would be nice.

I really don't care about the politics between suppliers; and just hope Philip sorts it out.

[Paul Coleman]

Was it you Tosh or shiner who posted about the old boy dropping you by letter with his cheque? he had accussed you of breaking his washing line and other stuff in the past, and it was under priced anyway.

But he had been a friend also, and you had liked him. I thought what a good column that would make. If it had that kind of suff as well as commerical it would succeed.

That was me who posted re washing line and being dropped.  I had also been accused (fairly nicely) of causing other damage too at various times.
Now don't get me wrong.  I have caused more damage since going to WFP (mainly broken plant pots) but not to this particular persons property.
The actual reason given for the "dropping" was that writing and sending cheques had become too much inconvenience to him.  He (accidentally) made his point well in that he hadn't filled in the amount in words so I completed it for him when I received the cheque.
Nice old fella but I only kept going out of a sense of loyalty.  As a business proposition, it was a dead duck for me.

[matt]

Matt, I'm a window cleaner and have no great aspirations in life other than getting the bills paid; not getting cancer; and living a stress-free(ish) existance till I die.

But a window cleaning magazine hitting my doormat every-now-and-then would be nice.

I really don't care about the politics between suppliers; and just hope Philip sorts it out.

tosh, i was just playing devils advocate in this instance

we all know that ionics would love to be "the voice" of the trade ( after 1 of them tried to run the APWC ?? ?? ?? and didnt get his way so it seemed he kept the name etc etc and took his ball home ), fair enough, they have done well for themselves, they build nice system ( OTT in price though, but hey, thats just my opnion)

[Clive McDonald]

My point was that you are capable of writing an interesting column shiner, and so is Tosh. These are the sort of contributions that i would encourage. That does not mean that every random thought should get in.
Whether he is aware of it or not Matt has become a figurehead of DIY, and too a degree a spokesperson for it.This magazine does(should) not only write only about trade but about the wider  community of window cleaning.

[Paul Coleman]

My point was that you are capable of writing an interesting column shiner, and so is Tosh. These are the sort of contributions that i would encourage. That does not mean that every random thought should get in.
Whether he is aware of it or not Matt has become a figurehead of DIY, and too a degree a spokesperson for it.This magazine does(should) not only write only about trade but about the wider  community of window cleaning.

Sure thing.  No problem with writing.  What you see me write on here are just random thoughts and meanderings.  I'm sure Tosh would tell you the same.
I have considered writing a shortish story about window cleaning.  Not a "Confessions of.........." job but the real stuff.  The funniest bits would be the stuff that goes on in my head as I work alone all day 

[Tosh]

I have considered writing a shortish story about window cleaning. 

It wouldn't sell, mate.

Would you want to read a fictional story about plumbing?

[Paul Coleman]

I have considered writing a shortish story about window cleaning. 

It wouldn't sell, mate.

Would you want to read a fictional story about plumbing?

I wasn't thinking about selling it.
It was more about me just having a bit of fun.  I used to go to creative writing classes some years back and I really enjoyed myself.  I may have written a load of garbage but it doesn't matter so long as I enjoy it.  I can't cook either but may join a basic cooking class next September just for the crack.  There was a time I would only have signed up for something like that if I was already fairly proficient at it.  I don't mind looking a bit silly as long as I can learn.

[Clive McDonald]

I thought the story about the old boy with leaded glass was good Tosh. And I wouldn't under estimate shiner, Hemingway wrote  the old man and the sea about a fisherman, he won a pulitzer and the nobel prize. Obviously you have to edit and shape these things.

Matt's position i see slightly differently as he is a player rather than a commentator.

I'm going to shut up now and I promise I wont post again on this.

[brett walker]

I recieved 2 copies of the mag so ive one spare if anyone hasnt got one yet

i think its good that we get a free mag the whole idea of sponsering something is to get your name on the front for publicity.  I do like Ionics although they can be a bit expensive be good if they could come out with some products more affordable to people but they dont seem to be able to get the clamps on their poles right yet im on my 4th set in a year.  This is something i will be taking up with them at the nec show as they never phoned back last week when they said they would.

regards

Brett

[matt]

Matt's position i see slightly differently as he is a player rather than a commentator.

what the type who has stacks of chicks flocking around me, you havent been following me on my round have you

mrs edwards may be a bit freindly, but she 83 

[pure_genius]

If I was paying for leaflets to put through house doors in the hope that some of them may become my customers, I don't think that I'd be in any hurry to print adverts from other window cleaners on them. I think the fact that Phil Hanson has even offered to accept adverts from Ionic's competitors say's a lot about the Ionic's organisation, I don't think that they are afraid of the competiton. I think that Ionic's competitors are plain stupid not to accept Phil's offer, its obvious that there's a lot of copies out there and most of them are Ionic's cutomers. I think that if any other WFP supplier opened up its customer database and accepted adverts Ionic would be in there like a shot!

You don't have to be a Genius, but it helps.

[Clive McDonald]

Exactly Genius if thats all it is -a leaflet- then to tap into anothers entire customer base by advertising on it would be a stroke of genius.

But that isn't all it is . This an independant and impartial publication full of informative articles topical issues, the latest news, views and opinions, facts humour, anything, but all window cleaning related. It is or should be our industries flagship publication.The fact that one company has refloated it is something we should all be gratefull for.It's just that it has so much untapped potential to be a real success.

I know I said I would shut up.

[pure_genius]

Curious, you're a perceptive kind of guy, you write well and have a lot to say that's worth reading. Why not write an article for the mag?

[Clive McDonald]

Some of the threads on here are worth readiing,and possibly they could have a digest of the forums(apparently there are others). My weakness is I don't actually know a lot about window cleaning.

The mods must know a lot, and I expect they've got a lot of time on their hands , so they are best placed for this kind of thing.

There are a lot of standout personalities on here though, inventors, suppliers, gnome kidnappers, etc.They all liven the place up, and in my humble opinion this is the kind of vitality that the mag needs.

[WavieDavie]

This an independant and impartial publication

Hi Curious,

I'm happy to be shot down on this but the above statement is wrong.

I took out a subscription to support Phil in what I thought was an admirable venture - namely to provide an alternative to the Fed mag, which was only available to members. Funding for the initial issue was obtained from the good offices of Ionics, and I think this was supposed to be a stopgap measure while PWC found its feet. As has been seen, the publication needed a further influx of funds or could not have continued. Ownership of PWC magazine was taken over by Ionics.

This is not meant to sound anti-Ionics, but if I'd known from the outset that it was going to be owned/funded/sponsored by them, I have to say that I wouldn't have bought it. I cancelled my subscription because I don't see much point in paying to read a publication whose adverts are mostly for the same company/group of companies.

Stated Interests:-
I have been on an Ionics course, but have not bought any of their systems or equipment. I might attend further courses, and I might change my mind about purchases.
I still have green stars, but am not an "active" mod.

[idealrob]

paid for my subscription in November and received nothing.

idealrob

[AuRavelling79]

This issue was better than the last one. I don't know if it was free for me as I can't remember if my original subscription has run out.

I want this mag to succeed and if three-quarters of it is Ionics and it's free so be it. I'd rather a more balancedspread tho' and wonder why other manufacturer's do not advertise.

Perhaps the printed page is reducing markedly as a way of gleaning info. Wot with t'internet an' all!