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Ian_Giles

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Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2007, 10:40:50 am »
The people who post here seem okay even if they are pushy.

I was interested in Alex's supalite videos(of poles in use) but he never gave any indication even in broad terms of price.

Curious,

Don't blame Alex for not posting prices on the forum...it's not considered good form!

Us blebs can chat and compare prices, but the suppliers have to hold their horses, this site is after all provided for us by Express Cleaning Supplies, so Mike isn't going to want rival suppliers posting their prices on his site!!

You have to check out the suppliers websites for prices ;)

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2007, 06:16:48 pm »
You are always picking on me Ian. Last time because i was sticking up for the third world getting de salinated water. By pushy I meant the brand leaders Ionics, whereas( imo) others are too reticent at times.
The site sponsors don't say a lot now you come to mention it, but when they do it's very patrition( as opposed to plebian). I thank them for providing a fun and informative site. Part of that is people like me making stupid and ill informed comments.

Would it be possible for the magazine to post a link or address where we could be added their list?
If they read this I prefer email newsletter anyway.

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2007, 06:19:56 pm »
Hi Everyone

Well I have to say, I am very disappointed. Granted the mag this time around is sponsored by Ionics. But there are no other advertisers in it and the 90% of the actual mag is all Ionics adverts.

Factual information (unless it has recently changed) Craig owns and or is a director off Ionics / BWCA / PWC Magazine / ClearChoice / Pure2o.

From the outset the magazine has always advertised all of the above and for a magazine that is supposes to be independent, it certainly does not look that way.

With reference to how everyone has received a magazine, this will be down to, if someone has made an inquiry and or purchased anything from the above mentioned businesses in the past, then you would have received it that way and or, they have purchased mailing lists, which is very common in business.

I do take my hat of to him, because his marketing techniques are excellent, however, for the PWC Mag to be seen independent from Ionics (and not an advertising brochure like this issue) and the other businesses, more advertising needs to be accepted from other manufacturers. Will this ever happen though?

Personally I would have preferred to have the magazine full of stories, tips, other advertisers etc and for Ionics to have enclosed a new brochure with it. This would then have given the magazine some more independency.

Many Thanks

Andrew


Ps. I have a set of those pole holders and with VAT and Delivery, it is over £100   

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2007, 07:16:32 pm »
too true ;D

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2007, 08:29:31 pm »
Well you must be in their good books 24/7 because I still haven't received one, and I had a subscription with this mag ;D
To Stuart. Did you ask to advertise in there?

Philip Hanson

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Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2007, 09:35:44 pm »
Hello! And thank you for all of your comments on the latest issue of PWC, which I'm glad has now been delivered.

This issue of the magazine is a sponsored issue, as you have seen, in celebration of the 10th anniversary of the reach & wash system.  As such, (not surprisingly) you'll see a lot of information about reach & wash products.  This type of sponsorship, though you may not have seen it before, is actually very common in the publishing business for all kinds of magazines.  More about the sponsorship in a moment.

But, this is not the only information in this issue, with articles about cladding cleaning, using traditional window cleaning tools, the general status of the window cleaner, the benefits of running a window cleaning business and so on.

Following feedback from the last issue, I decided to keep some elements of the new style (like improved page layouts), and drop others like the non-window cleaning content.  I'm glad to say that this seems to have been the right thing, and I've already had lots of emails from readers who are pleased to see PWC back to a its 100% window cleaning content.

Regarding the sponsorship; producing a magazine is an expensive process by any standard.  (Annoyingly, this has gotten even more expensive lately due to the Royal Mail's new pricing structure - but I wont bore you with my rantings about that!)

It would be nice to think that there was enough advertising revenue floating around from all of the different supliers to offset the cost, but I'm afraid that's just not the case, and in many ways illustrates the unusual economics of the window cleaning supply industry.

From the start, I have given all suppliers (except one) the opportunity to advertise in the magazine.  Some have taken it up, but most have not, and if you want to know why there aren't more advertisers in PWC, you'd really need to ask them that question, but I'm happy to tell you that its not for the lack of me asking.  As long as its window cleaning related, I'll be happy to have an advert.

I have even given the opportunity for suppliers to sponsor an issue of the magazine, exactly as this issue is sponsored.  Again, none has taken up that offer so far, but I am still open to the idea.

I'm always glad to hear honest feedback from window cleaners, both positive and negative.  I ask for it all the time, and its very useful to me.  I have also noticed that generally speaking you only get feedback when someone isnt happy about something, and thats just human nature.

What I do find a little amusing, however, is criticism from people who are connected with organisations which themselves are sponsored by companies in competition with PWC and its sponsors.  I notice there's no shortage of that in this thread, and that's not alltogether unexpected.  It is a bit rich when they then whinge about independence though!  Still, its good to get feedback from all quarters.

I would very much welcome the opportunity to meet some forum members in person, and discuss the magazine (or any window cleaning topic for that matter!).  Please do come and say hello to me on the PWC stand at The Cleaning Show.  I'll be exhibiting on stand G14, near the seminar area.

Its my opinion that events like The Cleaning Show, Windex etc should be supported by us.  I often hear complaints from window cleaners that there is not enough going on for window cleaners, and when I mention the various events I usually get a blank stare.  If we don't support these events, both by attending and by exhibiting (if an organisation), eventually they will disappear.

Not to mention the fact that they're great events, and its a good way to network!

I look forward to meeting you face-to-face (rather than as a dismembodied name on a screen!).  Last year at Windex I met many forum members and I expect the same will be true next week, and it really is good to put faces to names!

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

Old_Master

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2007, 09:50:08 pm »
Hi Phil
Omnipole's 10th Anniversary is at the end of the year
can I look forward to a whole issue dedicated to our products and acheivments
 ;D

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2007, 10:05:26 pm »
Hi Phil,
I'm an ideas man. Should you ever need any.

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2007, 10:17:33 pm »
There you go then omnipole. How much would it cost to do an email newsletter about your ten years. You are well regarded and your products are proven to work, many people would send an email address for this. You could even do a bit of a feature of a couple of people on this site who use your products to clean windows and make money.

matt

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2007, 10:42:39 pm »
good reply Philip

at least you didnt come on here and claim the mag was unbiased, of course you couldnt do that, as even my 4 yr daughter would be able to spot the ionics logo on every article

the whole thing about "sponsering the the mag" though, from what most understand, the mag is owned by ionics ( or 1 of the other names they go under ) ?? ? ?? is this correct ?? ? ??


DASERVICES

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2007, 11:01:04 pm »
 I think Phil is being very honest here , the only company that have sponsered him is Ionics and no other company has so hence the adverts for Ionics.

So this is one time I will say thumbs up to them for getting this going by using their own money. Lets hope other companys follow suit as something like this is needed in our Industry.

Well done Phil as having spent time in the publication industry this is a fantastic acheivement, will see you at the Cleaning Show.

Doug

Paul Coleman

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2007, 08:18:04 am »
Hi Phil
Omnipole's 10th Anniversary is at the end of the year
can I look forward to a whole issue dedicated to our products and acheivments
 ;D

Oooo goody.
More sarnies.   ;D

Paul Coleman

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2007, 08:26:02 am »
Hello! And thank you for all of your comments on the latest issue of PWC, which I'm glad has now been delivered.

This issue of the magazine is a sponsored issue, as you have seen, in celebration of the 10th anniversary of the reach & wash system.  As such, (not surprisingly) you'll see a lot of information about reach & wash products.  This type of sponsorship, though you may not have seen it before, is actually very common in the publishing business for all kinds of magazines.  More about the sponsorship in a moment.

But, this is not the only information in this issue, with articles about cladding cleaning, using traditional window cleaning tools, the general status of the window cleaner, the benefits of running a window cleaning business and so on.

Following feedback from the last issue, I decided to keep some elements of the new style (like improved page layouts), and drop others like the non-window cleaning content.  I'm glad to say that this seems to have been the right thing, and I've already had lots of emails from readers who are pleased to see PWC back to a its 100% window cleaning content.

Regarding the sponsorship; producing a magazine is an expensive process by any standard.  (Annoyingly, this has gotten even more expensive lately due to the Royal Mail's new pricing structure - but I wont bore you with my rantings about that!)

It would be nice to think that there was enough advertising revenue floating around from all of the different supliers to offset the cost, but I'm afraid that's just not the case, and in many ways illustrates the unusual economics of the window cleaning supply industry.

From the start, I have given all suppliers (except one) the opportunity to advertise in the magazine.  Some have taken it up, but most have not, and if you want to know why there aren't more advertisers in PWC, you'd really need to ask them that question, but I'm happy to tell you that its not for the lack of me asking.  As long as its window cleaning related, I'll be happy to have an advert.

I have even given the opportunity for suppliers to sponsor an issue of the magazine, exactly as this issue is sponsored.  Again, none has taken up that offer so far, but I am still open to the idea.

I'm always glad to hear honest feedback from window cleaners, both positive and negative.  I ask for it all the time, and its very useful to me.  I have also noticed that generally speaking you only get feedback when someone isnt happy about something, and thats just human nature.

What I do find a little amusing, however, is criticism from people who are connected with organisations which themselves are sponsored by companies in competition with PWC and its sponsors.  I notice there's no shortage of that in this thread, and that's not alltogether unexpected.  It is a bit rich when they then whinge about independence though!  Still, its good to get feedback from all quarters.

I would very much welcome the opportunity to meet some forum members in person, and discuss the magazine (or any window cleaning topic for that matter!).  Please do come and say hello to me on the PWC stand at The Cleaning Show.  I'll be exhibiting on stand G14, near the seminar area.

Its my opinion that events like The Cleaning Show, Windex etc should be supported by us.  I often hear complaints from window cleaners that there is not enough going on for window cleaners, and when I mention the various events I usually get a blank stare.  If we don't support these events, both by attending and by exhibiting (if an organisation), eventually they will disappear.

Not to mention the fact that they're great events, and its a good way to network!

I look forward to meeting you face-to-face (rather than as a dismembodied name on a screen!).  Last year at Windex I met many forum members and I expect the same will be true next week, and it really is good to put faces to names!

-Philip

Thanks for the response Philip.  As ever, a comprehensive reply that adresses the issues.
I did like the magazine more this time.  Of course it is a pity that economics don't permit more independence but such is life.  If the magazine continues, I would probably renew my sub.

Terry_Burrows

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Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2007, 10:13:55 am »
 ;D Glyn you got more chance of flying up in the air by flapping your arms ;D

c u at the show m8 ;D
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Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2007, 10:34:24 am »
I haven't seen any of the issues of PWCM but with an industry of about 200,000 practtioners at a point in it's history where say 20% have gone WFP and another 40% about to come over in the next five years with systems costing between two and ten thousand pounds it should be a fairly sound business proposition. It should never have foundered.

 Genuine controversy and interest sell.(I don't mean bickering,infighting, or tired arguments). If you allowed other points of view, contrary even like matt, and made use of some of the personalities, you would have a winner. Even your backer is smart enough to know this.

Tosh

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2007, 12:49:14 pm »
Hi Phil
Omnipole's 10th Anniversary is at the end of the year
can I look forward to a whole issue dedicated to our products and acheivments
 ;D

Didn't Philip say:

I have even given the opportunity for suppliers to sponsor an issue of the magazine, exactly as this issue is sponsored. Again, none has taken up that offer so far, but I am still open to the idea.

So you can!

Old_Master

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2007, 12:58:13 pm »
The question was rhetorical.

However a story rather than paid sponsorship or advertising would show an unbiased publication reporting trade news.

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2007, 01:26:46 pm »
If they did it right it would be a must read. Matt, Omnipole, whoever on the front page, if it made you pick it up and read it , it would be a success in it's own right.

From these posts some are already alienated.

Tosh

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2007, 01:31:28 pm »
The question was rhetorical.

Sorry, Glyn; I'm a Geordie and don't understand concepts such as 'rhetoric'; I thought you were being just being sarcastic.

I'm sure Philip would prefer his magazine to be unbiased, but when he says:

Regarding the sponsorship; producing a magazine is an expensive process by any standard. (Annoyingly, this has gotten even more expensive lately due to the Royal Mail's new pricing structure - but I wont bore you with my rantings about that!)

I think this gives us a clue why it's the way it is; at the moment.

However, I really don't want to be purchasing an advertising mag; I'd have it for free; but I'm not happy about purchasing something that's just trying to flog me stuff.

I'm sure I'm due to renew my subscription, and I will, and hopefully Philip will get more support from suppliers advertising in his magazine; other than Ionics.

Re: PWC Mag
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2007, 01:40:17 pm »
Was it you Tosh or shiner who posted about the old boy dropping you by letter with his cheque? he had accussed you of breaking his washing line and other stuff in the past, and it was under priced anyway.

But he had been a friend also, and you had liked him. I thought what a good column that would make. If it had that kind of suff as well as commerical it would succeed.