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KS Cleaning

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Self employed - register for pay out
« on: March 25, 2020, 05:50:06 pm »
Just a wee heads up. I got an email from my accountant earlier today.
If there is to be help offered to the self employed, similar to what is being proposed for employees, you will possibly need information on earnings for the last 3 years.
Under normal circumstances your accountant ( if you have one ) would be able to provide this, however due to the numbers involved this might not be possible. The information needed will be on your tax computation provided by your accountant each year. If you haven’t retained your tax computations you will need to set up a personal tax account where you can access the information required directly from HMRC. Register at www.gov.uk/personal-tax-account.

NWH

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2020, 05:58:15 pm »
Easy for me they have all my records,it’s a joke though really he was trying his hardest to avoid the self employed question he dodged it twice and said the same thing.
It will still be a real struggle for a lot in our game it’ll take a month to get anything and if you deal in a lot of cash or if  you haven’t been showing much you will get pittance.

NWH

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 06:01:24 pm »
After it’s declared tomorrow what’s happening there will still be 1000s not getting enough to cover the bills etc I reckon,he said it’s taken longer because it will all have to worked out individually you wait some people will end up still needing to sneak out and work.

deeege

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 06:04:07 pm »
Easy for me they have all my records,it’s a joke though really he was trying his hardest to avoid the self employed question he dodged it twice and said the same thing.
It will still be a real struggle for a lot in our game it’ll take a month to get anything and if you deal in a lot of cash or if  you haven’t been showing much you will get pittance.

Can you think of one single reason why someone who has dodged paying their taxes should now get the benefit of government support?

They made the decision to opt out of the system themselves.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

James Styles

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 06:05:46 pm »
If it’s based off 3 years I’m screwed as I’ve only been self employed for 10 months  :'(

deeege

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2020, 06:11:31 pm »
If it’s based off 3 years I’m screwed as I’ve only been self employed for 10 months  :'(

I’ve only been self employed for 12 months also. There’s also 1m people that are self employed now that weren’t 12 months ago. These are the kind of details that they will have been ironing out over the last week.

I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worse. I don’t think there will be anything for domestic window cleaners though, as they want and encourage  us to carry on working in the community. This has been made quite clear imo.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

G Griffin

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2020, 06:20:01 pm »
By Nicola Sturgeon.
Would we be classed as essential. I don't think so.
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Soupy

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2020, 06:23:44 pm »
Easy for me they have all my records,it’s a joke though really he was trying his hardest to avoid the self employed question he dodged it twice and said the same thing.
It will still be a real struggle for a lot in our game it’ll take a month to get anything and if you deal in a lot of cash or if  you haven’t been showing much you will get pittance.

If you deal in cash and don't declare it then tough titties I'm afraid.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Soupy

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2020, 06:24:18 pm »
By Nicola Sturgeon.
Would we be classed as essential. I don't think so.

Speak for yourself. I'm super important me.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

p1w1

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2020, 06:31:59 pm »
If it’s based off 3 years I’m screwed as I’ve only been self employed for 10 months  :'(

I’ve only been self employed for 12 months also. There’s also 1m people that are self employed now that weren’t 12 months ago. These are the kind of details that they will have been ironing out over the last week.

I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worse. I don’t think there will be anything for domestic window cleaners though, as they want and encourage  us to carry on working in the community. This has been made quite clear imo.
This is another problem when it comes to sorting self employed help and why it will take longer. What if the window cleaner or similar tradesmen needs to stay at home as the other half is high risk or at the moment schools forced to close and someone needs to look after the kids etc. Its a tough one for the government.

deeege

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2020, 06:39:20 pm »
If it’s based off 3 years I’m screwed as I’ve only been self employed for 10 months  :'(

I’ve only been self employed for 12 months also. There’s also 1m people that are self employed now that weren’t 12 months ago. These are the kind of details that they will have been ironing out over the last week.

I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worse. I don’t think there will be anything for domestic window cleaners though, as they want and encourage  us to carry on working in the community. This has been made quite clear imo.
This is another problem when it comes to sorting self employed help and why it will take longer. What if the window cleaner or similar tradesmen needs to stay at home as the other half is high risk or at the moment schools forced to close and someone needs to look after the kids etc. Its a tough one for the government.

Yep it’s a bit of minefield isn’t it. There’s also the issue of why would they pay out 80% to a tradesman and then that tradesman could carry on working. I couldn’t personally bring myself to do that but there would be thousands that would. I know plenty that would view it as an opportunity for a nice short term pay rise.

I strongly think there is going to be a full list of trades/jobs that they consider can carry on working and will get nothing. We’ll be right at the top of that list.

Would be a kick in the nuts for me and the other commercial lads that have genuinely lost work with the prospect of never regaining that work.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

NWH

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2020, 06:39:53 pm »
Id be quiet happy to carry on working it’s better for you mentally and more importantly financially,this will be like work insurance you’ll only get a percentage of what you declare or profit,I was just saying it because I reckon with up to 2500 a month being banded about will get some people thinking that’s what they’ll get,some will get nothing like that. 

JJay

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2020, 06:42:58 pm »
By Nicola Sturgeon.
Would we be classed as essential. I don't think so.
Andy by chief Medical of United Kindgom and Boris Prime Minister in todays update ? If you have to work then go to work but focus to break transmission. Follow the guidelines strictly and you would be okay.
Many business still have to operate that's why they gave the guidelines to minimise risk.   

p1w1

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2020, 06:47:26 pm »
I still think it will be some welfare type benefit claim that will be offered but just better then the last one and easier to apply or perhaps some tax relief of some sort that they wont want back, I cant see a fairer way really.  Anyway we will see more tomorrow.

Clean Cloth

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2020, 06:50:34 pm »
If it’s based off 3 years I’m screwed as I’ve only been self employed for 10 months  :'(

I’ve only been self employed for 12 months also. There’s also 1m people that are self employed now that weren’t 12 months ago. These are the kind of details that they will have been ironing out over the last week.

I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worse. I don’t think there will be anything for domestic window cleaners though, as they want and encourage  us to carry on working in the community. This has been made quite clear imo.

I have been self employed for 2 years and filled in my tax returns online.
Most of my customers pay cash and a few by bank transfer, I declared everything I earned and after making pension contributions I was under the 12k profits so no tax was due.
I have lost 30% of my income from camp site work which have been told to close and some inside work this week. I would prefer to work and try to claim the jobs that have been lost.

G Griffin

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2020, 06:53:40 pm »
By Nicola Sturgeon.
Would we be classed as essential. I don't think so.

Speak for yourself. I'm super important me.
You have to go to work. Nicola said.
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Stoots

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2020, 06:54:36 pm »
well ive no idea where i stand  ???

my business is Ltd, im a director which technically makes me an officer ......doesnt seem i fit into  either self employed or an employee as i dont have an employment contract

will be interesting to see how this pans out over the next month or so


deeege

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2020, 07:05:16 pm »
If it’s based off 3 years I’m screwed as I’ve only been self employed for 10 months  :'(

I’ve only been self employed for 12 months also. There’s also 1m people that are self employed now that weren’t 12 months ago. These are the kind of details that they will have been ironing out over the last week.

I’m hoping for the best but expecting the worse. I don’t think there will be anything for domestic window cleaners though, as they want and encourage  us to carry on working in the community. This has been made quite clear imo.

I have been self employed for 2 years and filled in my tax returns online.
Most of my customers pay cash and a few by bank transfer, I declared everything I earned and after making pension contributions I was under the 12k profits so no tax was due.
I have lost 30% of my income from camp site work which have been told to close and some inside work this week. I would prefer to work and try to claim the jobs that have been lost.

I’m similar. Always paid my taxes and stamp although just the last year was self assessment, previous 10 years was a company director so paid minimal salary and the rest by dividends.

As things stand I’ve lost around £1800 a month work, showhomes/offices/care homes/retail, all of which is 100% down to the Corona Virus. Quite a decent chunk of my work. I’m hoping to get the majority of it back but who really knows.

As Boris said “we are going to leave nobody behind” and “we are in this together”. This time tomorrow we will know if he was telling us the truth.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

rah

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2020, 07:06:09 pm »
Easy for me they have all my records,it’s a joke though really he was trying his hardest to avoid the self employed question he dodged it twice and said the same thing.
It will still be a real struggle for a lot in our game it’ll take a month to get anything and if you deal in a lot of cash or if  you haven’t been showing much you will get pittance.

If anyone has been taking lots of cash and not showing it, then, who is to blame for that! Can't take when you don't put enough in.
Life used to be full of up's and downs....now i hardly ever get up a ladder :) .

G Griffin

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Re: Self employed - register for pay out
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2020, 07:08:38 pm »
I wouldn't worry about what Sturgeon has said.
We'll find out tomorrow.
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