Well I'm going to defend Waterless and NWNW and if you don't like it - tough!
Gary from Waterless was one of the earlier members of this forum and his advice has always been technically sound, constructive and helpful - what more do you want from the guy?!
Free samples - apparently!
I have seen several posts from people asking for them, and assuming that they were sent, there has never been any word of thanks or comment upon their performance.
To me it is professional courtesy to at least acknowledge the sample and to pass comment on how well/badly it performed for us all to see.
OK, at times his posts were a little annoying as the mention of his products was getting a bit repetitive BUT people had a problem that he had the solution to. Isn't that what you were asking for?
Now to NWNW.
With respect DP a dig on someone's cleanliness is just a bit too personal for my liking, whether tongue in cheek or not.
The comments about the manufacture of eco-friendly products putting a greater strain on the planets resources is a huge generalisation and I would be interested to see the sources of your information to back up your comments.
Even assuming that you do have that information, can I ask if you have researched the products that NWNW uses?
As far as an evangelical approach goes, I think it's great that somebody can feel so strongly about their products or services. If I had the choice of buying from someone who was enthusiastic about their product, who really believed in it, or from someone who was a lot more laid back and uncommitted I would certainly go for the former.
I took am a hard nosed cynic, but I do try to see the best in people and the insinuation that NWNW is promoting these products through the Commercial BS route is, I feel, a little wide of the mark.
One thing I have learned from life is that there are two types of people - those that say they are going to do something, and those that actually do it.
We can all sit back and wait for other people to do their bit for the planet, or we can get off our backsides and do it ourselves.
Gary, for one I'm sorry to see you go, and Lyn keep flying the flag, I hope you are successful - I'm sure you will be.
Musicman