Quote from: Ooooooog on March 13, 2019, 10:06:22 pmDaily vehicle checks are really just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a whole world of legal obligations. Ignore them at your peril.They aren't a legal obligation.
Daily vehicle checks are really just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a whole world of legal obligations. Ignore them at your peril.
Quote from: 8 weekly on March 14, 2019, 07:08:27 amQuote from: Ooooooog on March 13, 2019, 10:06:22 pmDaily vehicle checks are really just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a whole world of legal obligations. Ignore them at your peril.They aren't a legal obligation.By law you are supposed to make sure your vehicle is in a safe road worthy condition, daily vehicle checks are part of that procedure, put it this way, should your vehicle be involved in an accident and a fault that should have been checked is found your employee will be done for driving in a vehicle that wasnt road safe and you will also be done for it plus putting your employee in danger, I would say that makes it a legal obligation.
Just looking at that list you linked to, it's serious overkill as a daily checklist as my guys drive the same van and take them home. Check the tyres every day? Not having a "blue collar" background I confess to being unaware of this. I'm guessing the ones that do commercial work and have to get safety certification are probably a bit further ahead but I'm going to implement a weekly check sheet to cover my backside.
Quote from: 8 weekly on March 13, 2019, 02:03:22 pmJust looking at that list you linked to, it's serious overkill as a daily checklist as my guys drive the same van and take them home. Check the tyres every day? Not having a "blue collar" background I confess to being unaware of this. I'm guessing the ones that do commercial work and have to get safety certification are probably a bit further ahead but I'm going to implement a weekly check sheet to cover my backside.Classic!
Quote from: Dry Clean on March 14, 2019, 08:06:41 amQuote from: 8 weekly on March 14, 2019, 07:08:27 amQuote from: Ooooooog on March 13, 2019, 10:06:22 pmDaily vehicle checks are really just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a whole world of legal obligations. Ignore them at your peril.They aren't a legal obligation.By law you are supposed to make sure your vehicle is in a safe road worthy condition, daily vehicle checks are part of that procedure, put it this way, should your vehicle be involved in an accident and a fault that should have been checked is found your employee will be done for driving in a vehicle that wasnt road safe and you will also be done for it plus putting your employee in danger, I would say that makes it a legal obligation.Keeping the vehicle safe is a legal obligation. There is no legal obligation for daily checks. You're just wrong. Again.
I liked it so much I mentioned it in the Brexit thread!
Quote from: Ooooooog on March 13, 2019, 11:18:01 amDoes anyone use an app for this, rather than pen and paper?Ta.An interesting question.If I was employing and the employee had the use of and responsibilty of a company vehicle then a daily driver's vehicle check would be an important part of the daily routine and part of his terms of employment. I would also sign off the inspection regularily and make it his duty to report any faults immediately. 45 years ago I drove a 7.5 ton Bedford and a daily mechanical check had to be done every morning. In those days it was a day a sheet book where the daily checks boxes were ticked off. Every Friday pm I was officially back at the depot and this book was checked and signed off by our distribution manager. In those days it was my responsibility to ensure that I reported any fault, bulb out etc, and either fixed it myself or had management book the vehicle in for repair asap with the detail logged for any police inspection.The flavour of the law seems to have taken that onus away from the driver and made it the responsibility of the employer to ensure the vehicle is completely roadworthy at all times. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/van-drivers-daily-walkaround-check/van-drivers-daily-walkaround-checkAs an owner operator I have to admit that I don't do a daily vehicle walkaround, although I do check oil levels and a quick tyre inspection for a deflated tyre. I know if an indicator bulb is out and I also know when the windscreen wipers need replacing and tend to do these items as an when. I also know when a headlamp bulb is out.The only hassle is checking the stop light bulbs on my own. A couple of weeks ago I got flagged down by an old lady driving a Jag to tell me one of my stop lights was out. I was grateful for that advise, swapped the bulb out with the reverse light bulb before heading off to the local parts guy for a couple of new bulbs. I don't know how long that bulb was out, but had I done a daily check I would have sorted it before Mr Plod drew it to my attention.This does raise another question. What happens if an employee's van is in a repair workshop for a few days? Many years ago drivers were paid bonus on the work they did. One particular transport company worked 24 hours a day with 3 drivers doing an 8 hour shift each. They used tipper tailers with monoleaf springs on the trailer axles. In winter and on rough roads those springs sometimes broke. But the driver on the shift just carried on until the end of his shift before reporting the fault. He still earned his bonus, but the next driver had to wait until the spring was replaced, thereby loosing his.
Does anyone use an app for this, rather than pen and paper?Ta.
Quote from: AuRavelling79 on March 14, 2019, 08:33:44 amI liked it so much I mentioned it in the Brexit thread! If it's done with the intent of humiliation I'd say it was unacceptable behaviour from a forum moderator.
Quote from: 8 weekly on March 14, 2019, 08:39:00 amQuote from: AuRavelling79 on March 14, 2019, 08:33:44 amI liked it so much I mentioned it in the Brexit thread! If it's done with the intent of humiliation I'd say it was unacceptable behaviour from a forum moderator.What if it's done without the intent of humiliation?
Right well let’s all agree to disagree and move on.I’m looking for an app to log the checks, if anyone uses one, could they post a link please.
Quote from: Ooooooog on March 14, 2019, 09:06:54 amRight well let’s all agree to disagree and move on.I’m looking for an app to log the checks, if anyone uses one, could they post a link please.We record weekly checks. http://tinyurl.com/y23du5o4Great app, so simple to use.You should ensure roadworthiness of any vehicle you drive every time you drive it.
Quote from: Soupy on March 14, 2019, 10:29:38 amQuote from: Ooooooog on March 14, 2019, 09:06:54 amRight well let’s all agree to disagree and move on.I’m looking for an app to log the checks, if anyone uses one, could they post a link please.We record weekly checks. http://tinyurl.com/y23du5o4Great app, so simple to use.You should ensure roadworthiness of any vehicle you drive every time you drive it.You should be doing daily checks then.
Quote from: 8 weekly on March 14, 2019, 11:25:29 amQuote from: Soupy on March 14, 2019, 10:29:38 amQuote from: Ooooooog on March 14, 2019, 09:06:54 amRight well let’s all agree to disagree and move on.I’m looking for an app to log the checks, if anyone uses one, could they post a link please.We record weekly checks. http://tinyurl.com/y23du5o4Great app, so simple to use.You should ensure roadworthiness of any vehicle you drive every time you drive it.You should be doing daily checks then.As should everyone.
In an ideal world there's lots we can do to reduce health and safety risks, but whether formally or informally we have a likelihood/impact chart in our heads. So with a PSV or HGV we balance the scale of the impact with the likelihood and we are more rigorous with our checks. The law requires that. Ensuring that window cleaning vans are road worthy by means of carrying out the repair of reported faults and maintaining the vehicles in line with manufacturer's requirements is what is required by law. If you go beyond that, give yourself a shiny.