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chris turner

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New mot rules
« on: May 20, 2018, 08:35:58 am »
Only just read about this today, seems very strict, especially towards diesel owners.
Us "white van men" have very few options other then diesel, so could cost us.
The bit that especially concerns me as I own the very dirty 1.6hdi engine is the fact that " smoke of any colour from the exhaust during testing will result in automatic failure".

Are there any decent electric vans in the pipeline that can handle big payloads that anyone know off??

Peavey Wolfgang

  • Posts: 554
Re: New mot rules
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2018, 08:49:48 am »
Have the EGR valve blanked off and your 1.6hdi won't smoke at all.👍
See you on the Dark Side of the Moon

Clever Forum Name

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 11:00:46 am »
I thought the new rules were based at cars only concerning smoke ???

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

Point no 2 says for cars yet above it says it will affect all vehicles. I "think" it was more based towards cars, probably wrong.

Only got one old transit rest are less than 4 years old.

Shrek

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2018, 11:18:53 am »
Took my van in for mot on Friday instead of waiting til it runs out  ;D

It failed  :-X

Spruce

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Re: New mot rules New
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 12:39:25 pm »
Only just read about this today, seems very strict, especially towards diesel owners.
Us "white van men" have very few options other then diesel, so could cost us.
The bit that especially concerns me as I own the very dirty 1.6hdi engine is the fact that " smoke of any colour from the exhaust during testing will result in automatic failure".

Are there any decent electric vans in the pipeline that can handle big payloads that anyone know off??

Our local MOT inspector says that we have nothing to worry about. The new test includes more things they have to test includng faulty DPF filters.

If you have a dfp filter then that needs to be working. On the plate inside the engine there is a figure that the examiner will see so he knows what the smoke limit is. Our MOT inspector states that the focus is on finding the vehicles that have had the dpf filter insides removed to look like it still has one. If a dpf filter has been cut to have its innards cleaned out and then welded back together, then the MOT inspector needs to be confident its been done correctly. The smoke test will decide that.

(My Citroen Relay 2.0 hdi needs to achieve a smoke test number of 1.52m-1 or lower. It hasn't got a dpf filter. Its passed every year for the last 10 years I've done the MOT test. The new regulations do not change these parameters. Obviously if you have a smoking engine or a faulty injector, then it will fail. My soon to be converted Peugeot Boxer van has a dpf filter. The smoke allowance is 0.5m-1. It passed its smoke test in January without an issue. On my Citroen Xsara 90hp there is no plate listing a smoke limit. The regulations state that it has to be 3.0m-1 or lower if there is no plate or the plate cannot be seen which it has been for the past 6 years I've owned the car. It hasn't got a dpf filter either. MOT inspector says that there is no reason not to run that car for another 10 years because of it condition.)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-07-17-replacement-documents-and-smoke-test-limits/mot-special-notice-07-17-replacement-documents-smoke-test-limits-and-annual-assessments

For us they are now testing that the reversing lights work and your high level stop light works if its fitted with one. If you have front fog lamps, they also have to work. If you have rear window wipers then they are tested and the blades inspected as well.
You canít negotiate with gravity

The older I get the better I was ;)

Crystal-clear

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2018, 05:06:45 pm »
ive been calling around and ive heard there's carnage at the test centers one guy tester told me any smoke what so ever and its a fail and get this once it fails say if youre mot is valid 4 more months you wont be able to drive it anymore...they are really hammering us any of you had any experiences lately? one other tester told me every car smokes a little its cos they want us all to buy brand new vans..instead of giving us compensation for diesel the government pushed those on to us now instead of paying us out theyll force us to scrap van thats worth 2 grand cos getting it to stop smoking can be costly..

Soupy

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2018, 05:55:10 pm »
I put a 2008 defender through yesterday. I was a bit concerned. Sailed through.

Spruce

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2018, 09:33:22 pm »
Mine was tested last Tuesday. I replaced headlight level adjuster as that is part of the new regulations. I ordered that and fitted the part before the test was due. Reversing lights are now tested on vehicles registered 2009 and later. Van sailed straight through but got them to do a spot of welding on the sill.
You canít negotiate with gravity

The older I get the better I was ;)

andyM

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2018, 08:10:22 am »
Had my 5 year old van mot'd yesterday.
Passed without any issue, has yet to fail.
One of the Plebs

Shrek

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2018, 09:12:20 am »
Mine failed on Friday (before the rules came in) got it fixed and passed on Tuesday .

Slacky

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2018, 09:37:17 am »
Do window cleaners need MOTs?
*A HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE - THE SHORT STORY* 'Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people.'

AuRavelling79

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2018, 10:17:06 am »
Do window cleaners need MOTs?

No. As long as the sunroof still opens so you can put your ladders through ...
Onwards and upwards - no ladders allowed!

RPWC

  • Posts: 381
Re: New mot rules
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2018, 10:54:11 am »
As long as your engine is serviced each year, and all the filters changed,  then you should be ok.  Its old dirty unserviced engines,that are likely to cause problems.
Cheers Rich

EandM

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2018, 11:27:17 am »
At 163,000 + miles my Ford Ranger is pre-DPF but does have an Oxidation Cat fitted from new. If you drive like I do, gently, then the Cat gets bunged up and MPG worsens by about 0.5 mpg per tank of fuel. I do a 50 mile round trip every month for some far flung customers and once suitably warm I get it to around 4,000 rpm steady for a couple of miles. A fair amount of black smoke is produced as the Cat cleans itself but once finished it will emit no visible smoke whatsoever. If my low tech, IDI engine will pass without any trouble I'm sure the newer trucks and vans shouldn't have any problem at all - assuming your MOT tester has a brain and is actually capable of using it.

As earlier said the new rules seemed aimed at removal of the modified diesels with DPF's removed and mapped out. Technically you haven't actually needed a working DPF before -only evidence that it's present was needed to pass the MOT.
Now they do seem interested in Particulate Emission, if your vehicle had a DPF from new it has to work or it won't pass the test but commercial pick up of DPF's is way behind the car world. The Ranger didn't get one until after 2012 but my trusty 406 had one from 1999.

As an aside there are now a tremendous amount of modded diesels on the open market at very low prices and they don't seem to  be selling. Who could possibly have seen that coming :). 300+ bhp straight six BMW's and V6 Mercedes are now available at bargain prices for anyone who doesn't live in a City and is feeling brave.

Go

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2018, 11:28:50 am »
Got the dpf removed on one van. Should be interesting.....

EandM

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2018, 11:42:10 am »
Got the dpf removed on one van. Should be interesting.....

...there does seem to be  a market in refitting them...

Simon Trapani

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2018, 01:59:30 pm »
Got the dpf removed on one van. Should be interesting.....
Yes...It will fail.

Crystal-clear

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2018, 02:40:55 pm »
OK at least some of you are getting through ok I'm going to take my van to my local mechanic before I take it to the test centre just can't believe shockingly if it's fails even if you have time you can't use it just not really fair really on the tradesmen it's quite strict

Go

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2018, 07:13:16 am »
Surely industry will suffer? Bad for the economy.

John Mart

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Re: New mot rules
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2018, 11:17:21 am »
Surely industry will suffer? Bad for the economy.
Hardly, there will be an upsurge in van sales. With a bit of luck it might be the final straw for some.  ;D