[Smurf]

I can see the logic of Martin and others wanting to use a better van mount purification system as most will know 0 ppm cold pure water on it's own does not work that well cleaning filthy glass no matter what some may think.

I'm sure on trying to win large commercial contracts and retainig them gives companies that run theses systems a very competitive edge over others too.

Companies who invest & run these types of systems I think are not as daft as you think they are far from it.

[G Griffin]

£10k?
They might have sold out  .

[Smurf]

Also they are very reluctant to tell you how often you need to change filters and if they do comment it's flitted over and quickly moved on to another subject,those cartridges hole hardly any resin compared to vessels and are nearly £100 each with vat and that's just for resin. They did a system a few years ago the name escapes me now but I need someone on a forum that had one and it was costing him an absolute fortune in filters,I think it was the model that had no reject water it circulated the waste but round through RO and filters again and again till it was pure and it spent the filters in a matter of weeks he said. That system I think was soon taken off of sale and it was over 10k I believe

pro 7 I think it was called

[NWH]

Yeah pro 7

[AuRavelling79]

I can see the logic of Martin and others wanting to use a better van mount purification system as most will know 0 ppm cold pure water on it's own does not work that well cleaning filthy glass no matter what some may think.

I'm sure on trying to win large commercial contracts and retainig them gives companies that run theses systems a very competitive edge over others too.

Companies who invest & run these types of systems I think are not as daft as you think they are far from it.

Quite right. So spend £50 and put an immersion heater in your tank. Why over complicate things?

[Smurf]

Or money no object why not just get yourself a ppb system with a hot water webasto heater built in instead...Sorted 
Why buy a lada when you can drive a bmw so to speak. They both have four wheels but would you drive a lada out of choice? 

[rosskesava]

There a 3 pre filters
2 RO
Resin 
once the water is in the tank its then  pumped into nuclear resin that makes it parts per billion  then back in the tank.
also comes with UV filter
I have one  great system, expensive yes
Been using it for about a month the water does seem softer the brush moves across the glass easier

Best one this year so far!!!

+1

I hate to rude, but what a mug.

What's next from Ionic's just to get the dosh rolling in?

We've had Unger with their pointless expensive resin container which sold well.

Ninja... aircraft grade aluminium for cleaning windows?

Don't some people get it?

[tlwcs]

I can understand him buying one if he could afford and liked it, he is a past customer.
What I can't understand is owning up to it on here!
Tony

[SeanK]

I can see the logic of Martin and others wanting to use a better van mount purification system as most will know 0 ppm cold pure water on it's own does not work that well cleaning filthy glass no matter what some may think.

I'm sure on trying to win large commercial contracts and retainig them gives companies that run theses systems a very competitive edge over others too.

Companies who invest & run these types of systems I think are not as daft as you think they are far from it.

This post has to be a wind up.

[Dave Willis]

I might buy one to keep my tax bill down 

[Tom White]

Now I have realised that 010 is perfectly useable although I tend to change my resin somewhere between 006 and 008 usually. I have gone as high as 015 quite happily when I was too lazy to change the resin before the weekend.

+1

Ionics target mentally challenged window cleaners who have more credit than sense.

[AuRavelling79]

Or money no object why not just get yourself a ppb system with a hot water webasto heater built in instead...Sorted 
Why buy a lada when you can drive a bmw so to speak. They both have four wheels but would you drive a lada out of choice? 

For pleasure. If you want to gold-plate your van and put wide wheels on it and make sure it's a top range transporter because "they're the coolest and everyone knows it" then fine.

But don't come on here and say it's better at cleaning windows with the implication it is a better business decision without being able to defend it.

The only good business reason to buy any turnkey system (IMO) is because you are so busy earning money and guiding your empire with your fleet of vans. Even then why buy something that is as useless as gold plated taps over stainless steel.

If your business is THAT big then you will be employing a manager/technician anyway (or you or one of the savvy chaps can do it part time) and they can build or manage the build for you of an excellent tailor made system to your exact specification.

E.g. Van 1.           Has to have hot on demand for all the first cleans you do.
Vans 2, 3,      Good solid cold water systems with provision for sliding in a hot boiler where necessary.
Van 4  + trailer   Set up with GutterVac/Pressure washing

Nowhere does PPB come into the equation.             

[NWH]

I might buy one to keep my tax bill down 

yeah and me lol that's what I was thinking 10k should get me a rebate

[cgh window cleaning]

The guy may have 15 vans on the road 10k to some window cleaning companies is pocket change.
There is a national with over 100 vans all fitted out by ionics they must be mugs too.
I have not read up on the pbb system and it is more than likely very clever marketing hype but there must be some amount of fact in there claim that it cleans better.
Love them or hate them ionics are one of the world biggest water fed pole system manufacturers they must be doing something right.

[SeanK]

The guy may have 15 vans on the road 10k to some window cleaning companies is pocket change.
There is a national with over 100 vans all fitted out by ionics they must be mugs too.
I have not read up on the pbb system and it is more than likely very clever marketing hype but there must be some amount of fact in there claim that it cleans better.
Love them or hate them ionics are one of the world biggest water fed pole system manufacturers they must be doing something right.

Yes if they have their vans fitted with ppb systems then they are mugs its as simple as that, I'm not saying they are mugs because
they bought a turnkey system if you can afford it why not, but because of falling for a gimmick that makes no difference to the job we do.
Ionics could be the best company in the world but you have to wonder who they employ if they think by filtering water well
beyond what its needed to do the job it will make any difference to the finished clean.
That said I still suspect that its a marketing ploy designed to get their brand name out there and if a few mugs fall for it then
all the better.

[gary999]

I can see the logic of Martin and others wanting to use a better van mount purification system as most will know 0 ppm cold pure water on it's own does not work that well cleaning filthy glass no matter what some may think.

I'm sure on trying to win large commercial contracts and retainig them gives companies that run theses systems a very competitive edge over others too.

Companies who invest & run these types of systems I think are not as daft as you think they are far from it.

Quite right. So spend £50 and put an immersion heater in your tank. Why over complicate things?

Or even simpler a bit of TFR or something similar on brush

[slap bash]

A converoryand window fitting bought one to get in on the act in my area and have had nothing but poo with it from day one they asked me to take a look at it for them. |I took one look and told them to send it back. \\they were using a load of resin and still only getting 000 for 2/3 day before having to refill resin.

[NWH]

Spoke to a highly regarded seller of RO- resin today,they told me it is a complete marketing ploy and nothing more. I have now been officially told that cleaning windows up to 010 is acceptable and unless your an owl you won't be able to tell the difference lol,Nuclear resin has no place in the window cleaning industry it is only supposed to be used in hospitals and lab environments. So there you go even the supplier of these products says that zero system is a waste of money it doesn't produce water any better than an HF4 or HF5 membrane

[rosskesava]

In theory if your water is at 000TDS it may already be less than one part per billion.

[AuRavelling79]

In theory if your water is at 000TDS it may already be less than one part per billion.

Yes true. Just need a more suffistikated and more finely tuned meter to find out.