[NWH]

I watched a 20 minute video on YouTube about the zero machine,it looked like there selling a so called PPB machine without the relevant TDS meter lol. In the video he said the meters are very expensive and didn't have one on him to demonstrate the TDS reading,listening to what he was saying all it does is re circulate the water back into the tank and back through the resin TBH,does anyone on here have one.

[SB Cleaning]

It's a load of rubbish if you ask me

[Walter Mitty]

It's beyond me why someone would want to use water pure enough for food and drugs manufacture to clean windows.

[Cookie]

Mrs Jenkins at number 28 is only concerned whether her windows are clean and whether I've cleaned the sills and the frames (yes, I get asked every time). I haven't asked her whether she's interested in PPB yet... but I think I can guess the answer.

I get the Ionics catalogues through every quarter, they must have spent ten of thousands on this technology and I don't understand how they are going to get a return on investment for this sort of thing ...

[SeanK]

Back in the early days of wfp there where a lot of myths floating about concerning purified water, things like it cleaned better
than tap water and so on.
So maybe Ionics thought that purifying it even further would make it better still, personally I think it was just a advertising
gimmick.

[AuRavelling79]

Completely unnecessary to clean windows IMO. I see no need for high priced systems. The water from a DiY £1000 system is just as good as a £10000 one.

When I started I was so careful that I was working with 000 ppm I used to come on here and folk would say they changed their resin as soon as it hit 001.

Now I have realised that 010 is perfectly useable although I tend to change my resin somewhere between 006 and 008 usually. I have gone as high as 015 quite happily when I was too lazy to change the resin before the weekend.

So in parts per billion terms we are talking 1000 ppb = 1ppm and 10000ppb = 10ppm.

[NWH]

The system just looks like it returns water back to the tank and then back through filters,is there anything different about the filters etc

[Martin Lane]

There a 3 pre filters
2 RO
Resin 
once the water is in the tank its then  pumped into nuclear resin that makes it parts per billion  then back in the tank.
also comes with UV filter
I have one  great system, expensive yes
Been using it for about a month the water does seem softer the brush moves across the glass easier
 

[ChumBucket]

There a 3 pre filters
2 RO
Resin 
once the water is in the tank its then  pumped into nuclear resin that makes it parts per billion  then back in the tank.
also comes with UV filter
I have one  great system, expensive yes
Been using it for about a month the water does seem softer the brush moves across the glass easier

Best one this year so far!!!

[NWH]

Martin how much did you pay please and what size tank

[Martin Lane]

Hi got a 700 lt tank
expensive but as I have other systems from them I did get some off.
They get plenty of stick on hear but you should go down to their offices  and have a look around  they are selling plenty of systems 

[slap bash]

That is the biggest lot of bull I have ever heard. Even if I had the cash I would not buy the system try telling your customers about it they will laugh at all the spin. WE are window cleaners these chaps are just trying one on us window cleaners  thinking we are dumb.  I think there is a load of over engineered equipment already. All this nonsense  about a simple window cleaning service. Its made to massage our  egos. So we can say we have a parts per billion system.  What do we think we are scientists?  NO Window cleaners.
The reason they sell a lot of systems is proof how thick we are when we start off. They spin the B/S and we all want to be someone special. Web think you are great if we spend a fortune.

[Martin Lane]

Been cleaning windows 34 years
Using water fed poles 15 years

[Bungle]

Will it eradicate spotting/runs? I'm in if it does (where's the thumbs up thingy)

[SeanK]

Will it eradicate spotting/runs? I'm in if it does (where's the thumbs up thingy)

It wont eradicate anything, we filter water to remove dissolved solids that would otherwise dry on the glass and be seen.
0 ppm more than does the job so trying to get it lower than that  is just a waste of money.

[G Griffin]

Who much does nuclear resin cost?

[NWH]

Nuclear resin is  £200 a bag lol

[NWH]

2 resin bottles of average size would be 2 fills or 3 fills for a say 18" vessel

[G Griffin]

It's no wonder he won't tell us how much his system cost!

[NWH]

Also they are very reluctant to tell you how often you need to change filters and if they do comment it's flitted over and quickly moved on to another subject,those cartridges hole hardly any resin compared to vessels and are nearly £100 each with vat and that's just for resin. They did a system a few years ago the name escapes me now but I need someone on a forum that had one and it was costing him an absolute fortune in filters,I think it was the model that had no reject water it circulated the waste but round through RO and filters again and again till it was pure and it spent the filters in a matter of weeks he said. That system I think was soon taken off of sale and it was over 10k I believe