[jimmy boots]

Us lefties are the chosen ones..... 

Darran

Lefties rule  Dont know how these right handed folk manage mate 

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I reckon they will King.....Iv'e seen no prices yet though

[the king]

nore me m8 . stevon how much is is for a new 1 an 2 section for my 22ft pheonix x full carbon pole not the ul section cant find any details on price??

[Stephen Fox]

So, I take its a no to a direct comparison then??

That's a shame...

Darran

Darren, we got loads of vids and pics of the Phoenix vs other poles... Problem is they are from us so will always be looked at suspiciously. I remember Alex releasing a video comparing the Phoenix to his range, which was so loaded he had to take it down as it wasn't a real comparison in any shape. Comparisons beed to be done by unbiased parties.

Your best bet is coming down to Marks show in Dorset, for a side by side hands on experience. We will be filming the results, gonna be a lot of fun!

[Stephen Fox]

nore me m8 . stevon how much is is for a new 1 an 2 section for my 22ft pheonix x full carbon pole not the ul section cant find any details on price??

King, can you email fox@wcw and will get this sorted for you. Out of the office all pretty much all day tomorrow, but will pass it on straight away.

[the king]

thanks stevon

[ChumBucket]

We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!

That's great news. Whenever a competitor gets close to catching up, Gardiners always seem to move the goalposts even further just after!!

[Jakey boy]

We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!

That's great news. Whenever a competitor gets close to catching up, Gardiners always seem to move the goalposts even further just after!!

We could do with them competing more on price though, carbon poles are bloomin expensive for what they actually are, there's not a lot of material to them really...

Just spoke to Alex via email, to be fair he's a good guy, and I will always trust him and his products, but as I said to him, I can buy poles direct from a local supplier so always save money that way. I've been pleased with facelift poles and brushes, I'm waiting for Alex to bow send me an 18ft slx2 (go on Alex, be a legend)   then I'd like to compare them side by side, with nothing negative, just listing the 3 things I feel are best on gardiner poles, and 3 things I feel are best on facelift.

No bias at all, just a direct comparson from a consumer/average window cleaner.

Wonder how confident they'd be at me doing this... Just need that slx18 Alex 

[Dave Willis]

When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.

First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole.  

Quickly lost interest after that.

I quickly lost interest when I found out Stephen Fox was involved!! It's just WCW who bought the rights to Facelift poles!

Snap...

Do they? 

[advanced]

love my gardeners pole one year in  changed the little widgets  and  its clamping like a new pole again 

[jimmy boots]

Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole   
  It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything

[Jakey boy]

Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole   
  It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything

No numbers at all?

[jimmy boots]

Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole   
  It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything

No numbers at all?

No nothing. obviously on receipt it says phoenix 'x'. The ends are blue where you stop extending the lengths. I'm wondering if they are colour coded to the different types. The pole seems very bendy compared to SLX

[Jakey boy]

Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole   
  It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything

No numbers at all?

No nothing. obviously on receipt it says phoenix 'x'. The ends are blue where you stop extending the lengths. I'm wondering if they are colour coded to the different types. The pole seems very bendy compared to SLX

My 'x' has silver bands at the ends, Is the pole chequerd carbon? It looks like you may have a hybrid!! Send it back!!

[Ian101]

Not read a lot of the above but I can remember going to a road show of facelifts at Richy's lock up few years back and tbh the phoenix poles felt very good esp the basic one of the range.

Being upfront I have only ever used Gardiners poles apart from my first xtel that came with a trolley from pure freedom so perhaps Im biased

but whichever brand you go for theyre both gonna do the job for you and do it well 

[mufcglen]

what are the phoenix full carbons like compared to slx for stiffness when fully extended or lightness?

[Jakey boy]

what are the phoenix full carbons like compared to slx for stiffness when fully extended or lightness?

Probably not much in it, mainly the clamps that are different

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

what are the phoenix full carbons like compared to slx for stiffness when fully extended or lightness?

not much in it at all ive had both 22ft side buy side this week and there not much in it at all

[mufcglen]

cheers Jakey and Susan out of the two which do you guys prefer or would buy again?
ive read comments that the phoenix wear out quickly?

[Jakey boy]

I have both, and lean toward the phoenix, but I still a think gardiner poles are better made. Although maintained well, I.e cleaned thoroughly once a month, the phoenix will last a good 2 years and more,

There's not much in it, I really like both, but I don't own a shorter gardiner slx pole, so can't comment, but I do have the slx35 and a clx18. I don't think you'll be dissaponted with either, i wild say the facelift brush is much better than gardiner super lite though, it's a fantastic brush, amazing splay, and scrubbing power, a real joy to use, and lasts for ages.

Alex will be bringing out new brushes next year though, so who knows, maybe he'll trump the lot again!

I like the narrower width of the phoenix, and love the clamps. the phoenix also has a 'shiny' texture to it, and glides very nicely. I still highly rate gardiner poles and if could buy an slx18 cash price I would, but I'm able to get phoenix poles a lot cheaper, and really enjoy using them, I have the phoenix 18 and 25 carbon x's

[jimmy boots]

  Well, it turns out that I have been sent the wrong pole. I have got the hybrid pole. Apparently the Hybrid has blue ends and the 'X' has silver ends.
   I was quite mad when I phoned them today and found out, because if I hadn't already got a full carbon pole I wouldn't have known the difference, and would have been ripped off for 80 or so quid. He assured me it was a mistake.
   When sending out poles that look the same, they should be checking them to make sure customers get the right ones. I bet no dearer poles have been sent out, mistaken for cheaper ones.
  Mistake or con. I don't know but my faith in WCW has been shaken.
  Anyway, they said they sending someone out tomorrow to exchange the pole.