[Dave Willis]

When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.

First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole.  

Quickly lost interest after that.

Dave you don't use the top section unless you purposly buy it, I don't own it and have two facelift poles, it's an accessory for extra reach should you wish to use it.

Yeah, it just made no sense to me at the time. I've never seen one so won't slag it off as it might well be a good pole. I've stayed with the Gardiner range as all their stuff is designed to fit their poles - particularly the resi swivel necks and goosenecks. Their clamps can be a bit odd when they flip about but I've got used to that and then there is the customer service etc.

[Jakey boy]

Yes agreed gardiner have fantastic service and good innovation

[Stephen Fox]

My 18ft phoenix is lighter than an slx18... 980g to 1050g

Yep your right the 25ft is marginally heavier, my mistake. I like
And trust your poles Alex, but I personally find the clamps easier on the facelift, a friend has 2 slx2 poles, one 18 and one 25 and I just find the facelift easier. However I purchased the 35ft from you because as I've always said I believe the quality of your poles to be superior, but I was very suprises at the bend and whip on it...

No problem just wanted to clarify the weight - of course this is all on 'published' weights which does rely on a similar set of scales being used.

I realize that clamp use is down to personal preference  (although a lateral action clamp has less chance of RSI later in life due to the more natural action on the wrist/elbow).

You have mentioned the whip on the 35ft pole previously hence my above comment. We have found that the whole dynamics of poles and sections change when you exceed about the 30ft mark and again after about 45ft. Materials that feel incredibly rigid at about 25ft seem to be very different an extra 10ft higher.

This is pretty much nonsense Mr G, lateral clamps are far more likely to cause future injury due to the thumb moving in an unnatural way....

[Stephen Fox]

When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.

First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole.  

Quickly lost interest after that.

I quickly lost interest when I found out Stephen Fox was involved!! It's just WCW who bought the rights to Facelift poles!

Snap...

[Stephen Fox]

When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.

First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole.  

Quickly lost interest after that.

Dave, I know you are not a 'fan' but introducing a new concept, some people simply won't get it. Especially if they have never tried it

[Smudger]

C'mon then Mr fox, send jakey boy a pole for him to compare with 👍
You have nothing to lose, and a chance to trump Mr G

Darran

[Stephen Fox]

Smudged, between me and you I don't know why I get so much hate on this forum. Every time we release something new there is a Gardiner's sale which never happened before... They should be thanking us!

We've got the mark 2 range of phoenix coming out now, I think a few on here may even have some... I wonder if Alex will offer this to all his customers, it's only fair... And may prove expensive !

[Dave Willis]

When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.

First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole.  

Quickly lost interest after that.

Dave, I know you are not a 'fan' but introducing a new concept, some people simply won't get it. Especially if they have never tried it

If you read the whole thread I did say I wouldn't rubbish it and said it might be a good pole - I've never seen one in the flesh.

[Mick Kent]

I think the pheonix poles are great! Just i think the gardiner poles are greater.
Both quality poles that do the job they are designed for, all of it is overpriced chinease rubbish anyway lol... Just lenghs of carbon tube cut to different sizes with clamps and a brush's added by other companies.

[Smudger]

Mr fox, like a good polatition you have avoided the question !!!

Are you not up for a challenge...?

Between me and you, the reason you may get some stick is some former posts of yours have left a little bit to be desired in the way of a professional answer.

I'm with dave, not used the Phoenix as the "part time" extension wouldn't suit me, I'm interested in maybe buying one of your brush heads to compare against gardiners

Darran

[Smudger]

I think the pheonix poles are great! Just i think the gardiner poles are greater.
Both quality poles that do the job they are designed for, all of it is overpriced chinease rubbish anyway lol... Just lenghs of carbon tube cut to different sizes with clamps and a brush's added by other companies.

What do you know !! You only do half a job front only boy 

Darran

[Jakey boy]

When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.

First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole.  

Quickly lost interest after that.

Dave, I know you are not a 'fan' but introducing a new concept, some people simply won't get it. Especially if they have never tried it

Send me a 35ft and I'll happily compare, however i won't run either down, as both have good features and differing strengths...

[the king]

ive got a pheoinx 22 carbon an it wore out after 1 yeay luv the clamps very fast but dont bite the sections very well i now have a slx22 time will tell but so far im inpressed fiels like the qualty is beta on this pole

[jimmy boots]

  2 weeks ago I got mesmerized  by the Phoenix poles and bought a Phoenix X 22. I have a SLX 22 as my main pole.
  The pole is a nice looking bit of kit, feels the same weight as the SLX when all kitted up, but, in direct comparison to the SLX is more bendy. I was a bit shocked as thought it would have same rigidity as the SLX. Also the sections having no stop tape on them only slowed me down when working.
  Clamps are just a matter of preference. Both work fine. I am left handed and use SLX clamps the same as Alex's Dad with ease. Phoenix clamps have a nice easy action to them also.
  AquaTap does fit on the Phoenix. Just thread the hose from the Tap down through the outlet at the top of the poles end stop.
  All in all 'IMO' The SLX is a better pole Purely because it is more rigid.
   I do like the red lightweight 11" Phoenix brush though.

[Smudger]

Jimmy - did you mean the Phoenix had more bend ?

Also being a southpaw I have no troubles with the gardiner clamps

Us lefties are the chosen ones..... 

Darran

[Stephen Fox]

We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!

[Smudger]

So, I take its a no to a direct comparison then??

That's a shame...

Darran

[Jakey boy]

We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!

Fair enough!

[jimmy boots]

Yes, the Phoenix X has more bend. These are about the same price as the SLX. so a good comparison.
  The new Phoenix poles are, I think called 'NEON'. Dont know what the price for these will be, but I reckon they will be along the line of Gardiners Extreme poles, so should be compared to them.

[the king]

thats what i was thinking jimmy the neon is in the same price facter as a extreme i recken