[PoleKing]

What is the time scale on this graph?

Who carried out this study?

It's absolute bull as Nat pointed out.

To simplify it, you have a brush, and a pair of arms, you need these arms to move the brush to cover the area of glass, whether the water is 000PPM, 000PPB, the whole area has to be covered then rinsed.

Now, the speed in which you cover this are is determined by YOUR arms, NOT the TDS of the water.

Say for example it's 10 seconds? On a monthly clean, Ionics claim what, 10% quicker with PPB cold?, so 9 seconds to cover that same piece of glass?

All I say is for them to PROVE it.

Come down, with one of your vans, go out with any one of my lads, and PROVE IT.

My lads won't be happy though, as they will finish early, so I can lay them less.

Perhaps start paying with money rather than favours 

[Soupy]

Sooooo,

Anyone willing to say anything positive about the Zero^TM?

[bobplum]

its utter & complete, total, 100% marketing BS which is further fuelled by the placebo effect it has on those who spend big bucks on buying one - - it is pretty though!

Here's the math:

My tap water is 300ppm
If my system were badly maintained (for the sake of comparison) I'd get 001ppm out of it.
My static tank holds 1000 litres - 1 million millilitres, or 1 million grams of water. My system has removed 299g out of the water when filling it.

The zero system will remove ALL 300g! A whole 1gram extra dissolved solids, or a performance increase of 0.3% - so its not "1000x better" as advertised, its "0.3% better, and wrapped in pretty packaging"

The PPB tds meters will however detect increases in TDS earlier I imagine, prompting you to replace filters more often and possibly increasing running costs,..

This really gets you going doent it Nat

[J.D]

Nat got it spot on! How else are they going to pay for the expensive glossy magazines they send out to us all!

[Stephen.C]

Don't forget there are two Zero's A designed pro5 as the Zero PPM and the all new PPB.
Then the v4 which is a basic pro5. I have the pro6 and I have to say from what I hear the new designs are having teething trouble.
The new trolley they have im sure will out sell xline, pure freedom etc at snip at £1800.
Not on your nelly.

[Stephen.C]

I been told by a secret agent that they been having a lot of trouble with the zero systems and a lot of unhappy customers 


and no it isn't bob bum

Frank that agent told me the same.... is joey still crying we only had 10 men

[Frankybadboy]

I been told by a secret agent that they been having a lot of trouble with the zero systems and a lot of unhappy customers 


and no it isn't bob bum

Frank that agent told me the same.... is joey still crying we only had 10 men

he hasn't stopped crying 

[SB Cleaning]

I've never bought anythinh from ionics (except a 1 day training course)..absolute rip off

[Soupy]

Can't help but think that if ionics' claims were even half way true, someone would have had something good to say.....

[Clever Forum Name]

You may get a one man band buy one who had just come into some money and is starting out. The people who are buying these probably run over 5 vans and do airports and massive com jobs.

Those sort of people don't come on here. JV price is big and look how often he posts?

If I had a massive business I wouldn't be coming on here defending the zero. They are probably too busy picking the trim on their new car mats for their new porschAaaaS

[Ian101]

You may get a one man band buy one who had just come into some money and is starting out. The people who are buying these probably run over 5 vans and do airports and massive com jobs.

Those sort of people don't come on here. JV price is big and look how often he posts?

If I had a massive business I wouldn't be coming on here defending the zero. They are probably too busy picking the trim on their new car mats for their new porschAaaaS

good point ......... I have suspected for a while that there are some members on here that never post who have huge businesses I know that Craig from Ionics no longer posts on forums (he told me this when I did 2 days training when 1st starting out) whether he was talking about this forum I don't know.

There are some huge jobs out there and someone is cleaning them.

Ive got a mate who never goes on forums anymore due to the drivel spouted (his opinion not mine).. he turns over £15000 a month so yup I agree with your opinion Pure H2o.

[Paul Coleman]

It's probably called the Zero to describe the extra income.

[Richard Stevenson]

I have a heated 700 ltr system ppm ionics, it does the job well, hard to tell weather better than my 6 year old ionics system, a bigger problem is it keeps blowing selenods, they are trying to help but say it my water pressure so purchased v expensive pump, still blowing selenods, now the say it the water volume, all a bit frustrating 

[Stephen.C]

I have a heated 700 ltr system ppm ionics, it does the job well, hard to tell weather better than my 6 year old ionics system, a bigger problem is it keeps blowing selenods, they are trying to help but say it my water pressure so purchased v expensive pump, still blowing selenods, now the say it the water volume, all a bit frustrating 

That's what puts me off, my pro6 is simple and very reliable, the last 3 visits to ionic's one to drop off my new van to have my system re fitted from my old van and the second to pick it up, and last week passing through I picked up a new hose, each time people with zero system problems having them looked at.  I do like ionics and the systems but the new ones do seem unreliable at the moment.
The new premises that they are in is very impressive so they must be doing something right.

[robbo333]

Am I missing something...or is it still pure water at the end of a brush?

[Soupy]

Zero^TM  systems are targeted squarely at all of us. Look how many of you also received the catalogue. If Craig from ionics has made the decision not to post on here then that's up to him. Not what I'd choose to do in his position but then, I'm not in his position, am I? What do I know?

I asked about Zero^TM systems because I'm genuinely interested. I'd very much like to hear from someone who has actually used one. I think it's important to keep your eye on the horizon of the industry. The internet and forums is an excellent way of doing that, no matter how big or small your company is.

If it's as good as the brochure claims, you should all be interested. The fact that no one has posted positively about the Zero^TM systems could be down to many factors. Perhaps the technology is still in its infancy, perhaps the price will fall in the coming months as other companies compete in the market. Perhaps, as others have suggested, it's bs.

Time will tell.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I have a heated 700 ltr system ppm ionics, it does the job well, hard to tell weather better than my 6 year old ionics system, a bigger problem is it keeps blowing selenods, they are trying to help but say it my water pressure so purchased v expensive pump, still blowing selenods, now the say it the water volume, all a bit frustrating 

That's what puts me off, my pro6 is simple and very reliable, the last 3 visits to ionic's one to drop off my new van to have my system re fitted from my old van and the second to pick it up, and last week passing through I picked up a new hose, each time people with zero system problems having them looked at.  I do like ionics and the systems but the new ones do seem unreliable at the moment.
The new premises that they are in is very impressive so they must be doing something right.

Yep, selling over priced, over engineered systems to the gullible!!  It seems there must be a good supply of them out there too!

[robbo333]

Sorry if i'm missing something.
We clean at 000pm pure water and it works well. (ok sometimes it drifts up to 9ppm but still ok with the custies).
And it's still clean.
These guys are talking about pp(million) so 1 thousand off (1ppm). mmmmm!
I wouldn't want to sell my business (USP) on that basis.
Who gives a f***ng toss about that accuracy in the real world.
And for THAT EXTRA DOSH!
I'm out.
 

[Don Kee]

I been told by a secret agent that they been having a lot of trouble with the zero systems and a lot of unhappy customers 


and no it isn't bob bum

Frank that agent told me the same.... is joey still crying we only had 10 men

he hasn't stopped crying 

Me and thee may fall out very soon Steve...


 

[Soupy]

Sorry if i'm missing something.
We clean at 000pm pure water and it works well. (ok sometimes it drifts up to 9ppm but still ok with the custies).
And it's still clean.
These guys are talking about pp(million) so 1 thousand off (1ppm). mmmmm!
I wouldn't want to sell my business (USP) on that basis.
Who gives a f***ng toss about that accuracy in the real world.
And for THAT EXTRA DOSH!
I'm out.
 

The claim is that ppb (billion) is more effective at removing dirt than ppm (million).