[Soupy]

Soooo,


Anyone using the Zero^TM system?

Is it really as quick on first cleans as monthlies?

[Nathanael Jones]

its utter & complete, total, 100% marketing BS which is further fuelled by the placebo effect it has on those who spend big bucks on buying one - - it is pretty though!

Here's the math:

My tap water is 300ppm
If my system were badly maintained (for the sake of comparison) I'd get 001ppm out of it.
My static tank holds 1000 litres - 1 million millilitres, or 1 million grams of water. My system has removed 299g out of the water when filling it.

The zero system will remove ALL 300g! A whole 1gram extra dissolved solids, or a performance increase of 0.3% - so its not "1000x better" as advertised, its "0.3% better, and wrapped in pretty packaging"

The PPB tds meters will however detect increases in TDS earlier I imagine, prompting you to replace filters more often and possibly increasing running costs,..

[Soupy]

I know that their maths is a bit questionable. That's not what I'm asking.

Their claim is:



It clearly shows that a hot Zero^TM system will do a first clean FASTER than a cold water monthly clean.

In fact it seems to suggest that a hot Zero^TM system will clean any window faster than any other system regardless of how much dirtier the window is.

Is it true?

[Nathanael Jones]

In fact it seems to suggest that a hot Zero^TM system will clean any window faster than any other system regardless of how much dirtier the window is.

Is it true?

No! Utter BS.

[concept]

What is the time scale on this graph?

Who carried out this study?

It's absolute bull as Nat pointed out.

To simplify it, you have a brush, and a pair of arms, you need these arms to move the brush to cover the area of glass, whether the water is 000PPM, 000PPB, the whole area has to be covered then rinsed.

Now, the speed in which you cover this are is determined by YOUR arms, NOT the TDS of the water.

Say for example it's 10 seconds? On a monthly clean, Ionics claim what, 10% quicker with PPB cold?, so 9 seconds to cover that same piece of glass?

All I say is for them to PROVE it.

Come down, with one of your vans, go out with any one of my lads, and PROVE IT.

My lads won't be happy though, as they will finish early, so I can lay them less.

[Soupy]

To simplify it, you have a brush, and a pair of arms, you need these arms to move the brush to cover the area of glass, whether the water is 000PPM, 000PPB, the whole area has to be covered then rinsed.

Agreed that is the case for REGULAR cleans. They agree with that also (pic 1), more or less.

It's when it needs more than 1x scrub + 1x rinse that I'm interested in.

What they are appear to be claiming is that you can clean a dirty window as fast with a hot Zero^TM system. i.e. the hot Zero^TM system will be as fast - if not faster - on mingin' windows compared to any other system on a clean window.

[Soupy]

Don't get me wrong, I think the Zero^TM system has roughly Zero^TM credibility, I'd just like to hear from someone who actually uses one.

[concept]

To simplify it, you have a brush, and a pair of arms, you need these arms to move the brush to cover the area of glass, whether the water is 000PPM, 000PPB, the whole area has to be covered then rinsed.

Agreed that is the case for REGULAR cleans. They agree with that also (pic 1), more or less.

It's when it needs more than 1x scrub + 1x rinse that I'm interested in.

What they are appear to be claiming is that you can clean a dirty window as fast with a hot Zero^TM system. i.e. the hot Zero^TM system will be as fast - if not faster - on mingin' windows compared to any other system on a clean window.

Ok, let's get silly...

They say the dirtiest windows are cleaned in less than half the speed.

So, this system really is something special!!

We do some huge cleans which are just one offs or periodicals, this system is claiming to be able to double money by getting the work done in half the time, freeing us up to do more!

Where's my credit card....??

[Soupy]

They say the dirtiest windows are cleaned in less than half the speed.

We do some huge cleans which are just one offs or periodicals, this system is claiming to be able to double money by getting the work done in half the time, freeing us up to do more!

That's their claim.

Not a single person has one or even used one? Or just not willing to admit it?

I take it they haven't sold many?

[gary999]

Yep sent me a catalogue,which i will read with great interest
and buy bugger all for the eighth year running

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

You've got to laugh eh? There must be some very gullible people out there!!

In the words of Jim Royle.......PBB my ar*e!!

[AuRavelling79]

The PPB claims just seal the deal on what I think of Ionics. I would never - never, ever - did I say never or never ever or ever ever - recommend Ionics to anyone.

[bobplum]

i think J.V price have one and they say you can see a difference, so i believe

[Soupy]

So, possibly someone knows someone who might have one, and believes that maybe it's better...

[Ben wood]

Purple rhino just got one.

[Frankybadboy]

I been told by a secret agent that they been having a lot of trouble with the zero systems and a lot of unhappy customers 


and no it isn't bob bum

[ben M]

The PPB claims just seal the deal on what I think of Ionics. I would never - never, ever - did I say never or never ever or ever ever - recommend Ionics to anyone.

last year i bought a van with ionics pro 5,quit pleased with it to be honest

[Pete Thompson]

Yep got my catalogue too. (or catalogues I should say) along with a loyalty card for 20% discount, not bad.

The zero is ok, outside my budget but never used one so can't comment.

but IMO ionics Pure2o systems are top notch.  I have one and it was a good price and good quality.  Would defintely recommend.

[Soupy]

Yeah, I saw the pure2o stuff. Never heard of it before.

Ionics on a budget eh? Who'd have thunk it?

[concept]

No doubting their build quality and design, just the pricing and ridiculous claims.