[robbo333]

Sorry if i'm missing something.
We clean at 000pm pure water and it works well. (ok sometimes it drifts up to 9ppm but still ok with the custies).
And it's still clean.
These guys are talking about pp(million) so 1 thousand off (1ppm). mmmmm!
I wouldn't want to sell my business (USP) on that basis.
Who gives a f***ng toss about that accuracy in the real world.
And for THAT EXTRA DOSH!
I'm out.
 

The claim is that ppb (billion) is more effective at removing dirt than ppm (million).

So lets look at the maths:
If i clean at 10ppm (not ideal)
and someone cleans at 00ppm (then their clean will be more effective than mine: by 90%) give or take a bit.
In the real world this is not reasonably practical because 10ppm is actually fairly ok (although not ideal) and the human eye cannot actually detect the difference between 1% and 10%. (ok in sunlight you probably can).
So your clean at 0000ppb (parts per billion) is 1,000 x better than a percieved (0% per cent parts per million)
If your eyes are that good then fair play to you.
You're talking about a partial percentage of 1%.
Where's my chequebook lo!

[Soupy]

If, as others have alluded to, it's only the 'big boys' that are buying them that would seem to indicate that perhaps they are worth buying. Otherwise why would guys with 5 or more vans spend tens, if not hundreds of thousands of pounds on them?

I feel that perhaps we have a simplified view of the chemistry involved in purified water and how it behaves. I just want to know if it does what they claim.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

If, as others have alluded to, it's only the 'big boys' that are buying them that would seem to indicate that perhaps they are worth buying. Otherwise why would guys with 5 or more vans spend tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds on them?

I feel that perhaps we have a simplified view of the chemistry involved in purified water and how it behaves. I just want to know if it does what they claim.

No it doesn't.

99.9% of what is theorised about pure water & it's "cleaning ability" is complete & utter rubbish in real world terms. 000PPM water cleans no more effectively than tap water in the application in which we use it- the only difference is it leaves no dissolved solids residue on the glass after rinsing. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded! 
PPB is just more of the same.

[Soupy]

If, as others have alluded to, it's only the 'big boys' that are buying them that would seem to indicate that perhaps they are worth buying. Otherwise why would guys with 5 or more vans spend tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds on them?

I feel that perhaps we have a simplified view of the chemistry involved in purified water and how it behaves. I just want to know if it does what they claim.

No it doesn't.

99.9% of what is theorised about pure water & it's "cleaning ability" is complete & utter rubbish in real world terms. 000PPM water cleans no more effectively than tap water in the application in which we use it- the only difference is it leaves no dissolved solids residue on the glass after rinsing. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded! 

I am not saying otherwise. I am asking if anyone has actually tried it. I am not bothered if you think it's probably bs. Or even if you know for a fact that it's bs.

First time I heard of waterfed poles I KNEW it was b******s. KNEW IT.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

If, as others have alluded to, it's only the 'big boys' that are buying them that would seem to indicate that perhaps they are worth buying. Otherwise why would guys with 5 or more vans spend tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds on them?

I feel that perhaps we have a simplified view of the chemistry involved in purified water and how it behaves. I just want to know if it does what they claim.

No it doesn't.

99.9% of what is theorised about pure water & it's "cleaning ability" is complete & utter rubbish in real world terms. 000PPM water cleans no more effectively than tap water in the application in which we use it- the only difference is it leaves no dissolved solids residue on the glass after rinsing. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded! 

I am not saying otherwise. I am asking if anyone has actually tried it. I am not bothered if you think it's probably bs. Or even if you know for a fact that it's bs.

First time I heard of waterfed poles I KNEW it was b******s. KNEW IT.

Yes I have, it's bollox just like I say it is- that good enough for you clever cloggs?

[Tom White]

You've got to laugh eh? There must be some very gullible people out there!!

They tend to target window cleaners who have more credit than sense.

[AuRavelling79]

You've got to laugh eh? There must be some very gullible people out there!!

They tend to target window cleaners who have more credit than sense me.

FTFY!

[Soupy]

Yes I have, it's bollox just like I say it is- that good enough for you clever cloggs?

Oh, why didn't you say that days ago?

Was it a hot system? How long did you use it for? Did you get to test the claim it cuts through dirt by doing a first clean? Or, was it at an ionics roadshow?

I'm not trying to be a clever cloggs. I'm just interested.

[Ian Lancaster]

I think it's all down to personal choice.

Like buying a car - you need it for personal transport, taking the kids to school, shopping, pleasure etc etc.

A Hyundai Getz  (like my wife's) will do all the above quite adequately, so will a Porsche Cayenne.  Question is, do you want to spend £5,000 or £42,990 (cheapest version).  Maybe the Porsche will give you a bit more pleasure, maybe the Ionics supa-doopa will too, but is it worth the difference?

[Soupy]

I think it's all down to personal choice.

Like buying a car - you need it for personal transport, taking the kids to school, shopping, pleasure etc etc.

A Hyundai Getz  (like my wife's) will do all the above quite adequately, so will a Porsche Cayenne.  Question is, do you want to spend £5,000 or £42,990 (cheapest version).  Maybe the Porsche will give you a bit more pleasure, maybe the Ionics supa-doopa will too, but is it worth the difference?

I disagree. I don't do this for enjoyment, no matter how good the equipment.

Ionics are claiming that this will clean windows faster. If that's true it's simple maths to determine whether it's worth buying.

Value of time saved > Additional cost = worth buying.
Value of time saved < Additional cost = not worth buying.

[Stephen.C]

I remember buying my pro 6 and people saying on here comments like more money than sense, your put up for sale in six months another gullible redundancy package.
Starting my 6th year and my pro 6 is still going well. When you compare pure freedom gripper max  brodex and concept the price except the ppm ionic systems are similar in price.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I remember buying my pro 6 and people saying on here comments like more money than sense, your put up for sale in six months another gullible redundancy package.
Starting my 6th year and my pro 6 is still going well. When you compare pure freedom gripper max  brodex and concept the price except the ppm ionic systems are similar in price.

I'm well into my tenth year wfp & my DIY system is still going strong. I've replaced 1 pump in all this time. Business is booming too!!

[Stephen.C]

I remember buying my pro 6 and people saying on here comments like more money than sense, your put up for sale in six months another gullible redundancy package.
Starting my 6th year and my pro 6 is still going well. When you compare pure freedom gripper max  brodex and concept the price except the ppm ionic systems are similar in price.

I'm well into my tenth year wfp & my DIY system is still going strong. I've replaced 1 pump in all this time. Business is booming too!!

Good man but its about ionics stuff mate.

[J.D]

Well done indeedy winpro ! 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I remember buying my pro 6 and people saying on here comments like more money than sense, your put up for sale in six months another gullible redundancy package.
Starting my 6th year and my pro 6 is still going well. When you compare pure freedom gripper max  brodex and concept the price except the ppm ionic systems are similar in price.

I'm well into my tenth year wfp & my DIY system is still going strong. I've replaced 1 pump in all this time. Business is booming too!!

Good man but its about ionics stuff mate.

That's why I'm demonstrating that essentially, it's only about getting pure water to the brush & you don't have to pay Ionics prices or anywhere even close to them to do that. If you want a "crash tested" system then you can go to Ionics & maybe other suppliers for that feature- anything other than that & you don't have to. Dress it up as you want & over engineer to your hearts content but in the end it all amounts to the same thing.  

[keyser soze]

iis it down to the resin that gets it to ppb?

[Tom White]

That's why I'm demonstrating that essentially, it's only about getting pure water to the brush & you don't have to pay Ionics prices or anywhere even close to them to do that. If you want a "crash tested" system then you can go to Ionics & maybe other suppliers for that feature- anything other than that & you don't have to. Dress it up as you want & over engineer to your hearts content but in the end it all amounts to the same thing.  

Spot on.  It's very simple to do too.  My simple two-man system works, I trust it, it doesn't let me down outside of the scope of normal wear 'n' tear.

[ben M]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJkHKsC6670

[Tom White]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJkHKsC6670

I wasn't going to listen to 20 minutes of that wind and wee, but is that Stuart from Sunshine Cleaning?  When did he start working for the political wing of Ironics (PWC Mag)?

He's a facebook friend of mine; I may have to block him.

[ben M]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJkHKsC6670

I wasn't going to listen to 20 minutes of that wind and wee, but is that Stuart from Sunshine Cleaning?  When did he start working for the political wing of Ironics (PWC Mag)?

He's a facebook friend of mine; I may have to block him.

i don't know his name, just found this video on youtube.