[♠Winp®oClean♠]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

[*Hector*]

Totally agree, scum bag!

I have 2 daughters!!

Don't blame Richie for your daughters drug habit....

If he was their dealer (which I doubt) then I doubt very much he went and forced it on them... Probably them begging for some if anything...

[Perfect Windows]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

Hey, nice move from "reported crime" (a la crime survey, which is what was being discussed) to "recorded crime".  I see what you did there.  Nice work, well done.  Also, great work on the selection of the timescale.  Sublime work.

Vin

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

Hey, nice move from "reported crime" (a la crime survey, which is what was being discussed) to "recorded crime".  I see what you did there.  Nice work, well done.  Also, great work on the selection of the timescale.  Sublime work.

Vin

So, instead of admitting defeat & ignoring the facts, you still try to appear "clever"!! LOL

[Tom White]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense.  Have you any evidence to back it up?  Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?

[Paul Coleman]

Did the crime.  Done the time.  Hopefully lessons learned.  If they have then respect for sorting it out.  Could have just as easily been me but I was too greedy to sell any.
I don't know if Richy had a using problem but it might explain some of that overly ambitious stuff from before.  A change in attitude needs to accompany a change in behaviour and, possibly, a change in friends.  One of the few areas where I do actually know what I'm talking about.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

Looking at some of the well written previous posts, it appears this is nonsense.  Have you any evidence to back it up?  Or are you just going to play about with words or ad homs?

Again, I'm using the evidence provided by our expert.

Are you stating that the facts of which I state based on that evidence are wrong Tosh? Looking at that evidence (the graph) as far as I can see, what I state is indeed correct- we are almost no further forward 30 odd years down the line in regards of overall recorded crime statistics. Maybe Vin didn't realise that before he posted it?

[Don Kee]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)

And maybe if the survey started in 1970 the facts would be even stronger?

[Soupy]

Crime is decreasing, it's a fact. How do I know? I have googled it. Try it yourself.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Crime is decreasing, it's a fact. How do I know? I have googled it. Try it yourself.

Scotland will be better off independant- fact! How do I know? I've just read the SNP's white paper, try it yourself!!

[Don Kee]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)

And maybe if the survey started in 1970 the facts would be even stronger?

But we dont have the figures from 1970 (unless you have them?) so your point is irrelevant
What i posted was in reference to the graph previously posted by vin, you dont seem to backing up what you're saying apart from the start and end date of the survey.
Yes crime is around the same rate, but you cant deny its on the decline

[Soupy]

I have read the whitepaper it's an excellent piece of literary fiction. Not really relevant, there are too many unknown quantities referred to in it.

Crime figures are falling. That's by way of measurement of facts.

[Perfect Windows]

So, instead of admitting defeat & ignoring the facts, you still try to appear "clever"!! LOL

What I've said from the start is that crime is dropping.  Can you see the word "is" in there?  Is.  now.  Currently.  Presently.  At this time.  Nowadays. Today. In this day and age.

Unlike you, I don't really consider what happened 30 (or even 20) years ago as relevant to me.

So, let me be more specific.  Has the crime rate fallen over the past five or ten years?  Or can you argue that one away?

Vin

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

That's why there is such a massive offending & re offending rate in this country, because there is no punishment!

At least Perfect Windows backs up his statement with evidence, unlike you who just seem to base it on your feelings.  

Feelings aren't facts, Win.  Have you any evidence to back up your points?  I can think of a few facts that show your feelings to be quite incorrect.  Over the water, for example, states that have capital punishment don't have lower crime figures for any type of crime, which really, just goes to prove you're talking rubbish.

The facts are there courtesy of Vin. In over 30 years, recorded crime in the UK hasn't fallen overall, in fact, year on year, since 1981 it has constantly been at a higher rate! Whether that current trend is increasing or declining doesn't change the more relevant fact that the rate is higher!

So the fact remains Tosh (unless you know something that the rest of us don't of course, or we have some strange, alien inner feelings system) that in over 30 years of prison holiday camps, the overall recorded crime levels remain near enough back to where they started- after being constantly higher from the starting point year on year.

Now, do you really not see that?

I understand what your saying but if the survey had started from 1995 then you would be arguing that there has been a decrease in crime
Your basing your argument on the start date of the survey rather than the rise and fall of the graph....
Your argument should be that crime has risen and then fallen since 1981, and while crime seems to be on the decline since 1995, it is now at the same rate as the surveys start date.
Therefore you can not deny that crime is on the decrease and judging by the direction of the graph you could possibly forecast where crime will be in years to come (giving the authorities and critics a chance to determine whether or not there crime prevention tactics are working)

And maybe if the survey started in 1970 the facts would be even stronger?

But we dont have the figures from 1970 (unless you have them?) so your point is irrelevant
What i posted was in reference to the graph previously posted by vin, you dont seem to backing up what you're saying apart from the start and end date of the survey.
Yes crime is around the same rate, but you cant deny its on the decline

I don't need to back anything up, I'm clearly stating that the graph provided as evidence shows since 1981 recorded crime figures in the UK have been almost constantly higher in all that time. What the graph shows within that timescale is that these numbers have risen & fallen at different points in time but the overall figures at the end of this time remain pretty much the same. The situation overall doesn't look much better now than in 1981. If the graph continues to decline then that will be a different story but like you say- that's irrelevant as we don't have it.  

[8weekly]

He ain't out is he, should of locked him up for years got no time for drug pushers/Dealers. 👹

+1

It's a fact that people commit less crime on drugs than they do on alcohol. The overwhelming majority of crime in this country is alcohol fuelled. I think pub landlords should be locked up.

You may or may not be right but that hardly makes drug pushing
better does it

I just don't like the hypocrisy of those attacking Richie Wilts that happily p it up at the weekends behaving as prats, buying alcohol (a drug) from pubs and supermarkets that often lead to theft, assault, murder and condemn those that sell drugs to their willing mates. than

[Dean Taberner]

I don't know about crime going down in officiall figures but we were busy enough during a 12 hour shift on friday night.

Burglaries, domestic assaults, pub fights, attempted suicides, drunken youths to name a few of the jobs that I went to in what was a typical friday night.

 

[Soupy]

The number of crimes reported or recorded may be broadly similar today as in 1981. That isn't relevant to this argument.

The point is that it has been claimed that prison is not a deterrent to criminals as they are too soft. By that logic prisons were softest around 1996. Do you think prisons have been getting steadily tougher in the last 20 years? That certainly goes against the original point, don't you think?

[Soupy]

I don't know about crime going down in officiall figures but we were busy enough during a 12 hour shift on friday night.

Burglaries, domestic assaults, pub fights, attempted suicides, drunken youths to name a few of the jobs that I went to in what was a typical friday night.

 

As well you should be. There wouldn't be much point employing police officers to sit around doing nothing on a Friday night would there?

[Dean Taberner]

I don't know about crime going down in officiall figures but we were busy enough during a 12 hour shift on friday night.

Burglaries, domestic assaults, pub fights, attempted suicides, drunken youths to name a few of the jobs that I went to in what was a typical friday night.

 

As well you should be. There wouldn't be much point employing police officers to sit around doing nothing on a Friday night would there?

Spot on, I reckon that in 200 years from now we will be able to send all criminals to Mars and eventually sack the Police force.