[Clever Forum Name]

Extreme brush on Georgian and leaded windows is awesome.

And agree with lee totally.

[Darren Spreadbury]

A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .

A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .

New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system

Hi Kempy

Just to clarify, looking back at your brush buying history from us so far this year, you seem to be basing your comments on all of our brush range (15 brushes) on just the purchase of the Sill Soft brushes. This brush is our least robust brush and is not indicative of the life span and scrubbing ability of the rest of our brush range as many of our clients will attest to.

We originally had this brush made for those that wanted a very soft brush and still wanted to clean sills. We are now phasing this brush out as in my opinion is just too soft a brush especially in the radius sill design and cannot offer the longevity that our brushes typically offer.

your not phasing the normal soft brush out are you? Please say no.

Which soft brush are you referring to?

dual trim standard splay flocked

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!!

Now that IS a bad brush!!

[Alex Gardiner]

dual trim standard splay flocked

Do not worry this flocked brush is staying firmly in our brush range as it works well and is very popular.

[Dave Willis]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?

Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.

[kempy]

You need a brush with good scrubbing power , we're cleaning windows not just simply swilling or a slight scrub .
Hence I love the Tecbuk as it cleans fantastic .
Proper good bristles with the inner 17% boars hair bristles .
Also there's other choices .

Many choices   now

[Clever Forum Name]

I lightly scrub everything unless it's a first clean. Wfp is all about confidence, most glass I don't even rinse now.

[brad t]

Mr fox the Extreme brush's are like having a toothbrush on the end BUT clean as good as having old brick sill brush    I did not like it and put the white sill brush back on. Then give it a go again and all I can say is WOW what a brush, it was not that I did not like it at first, more I did not trust it to clean as good. Now I trust it and don't think I need to go over and over the windows as I did at first with it.  Now we just need a extreme sill brush like garlic bread,it's the future

[mark m]

the brush in the video cleans excellent if you like the old xtreme  you will love the new xtreme medium hybrid 

[Stephen Fox]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

On regular cleans an extreme is all that is needed, there is very little dirt so all it need is a small agitation and rinse so therefore there is no need for the brush to have extra scrubbing power, and therefore no need to be heavier, so the you can really go any quicker

Cheers Lee.

[Stephen Fox]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?

Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.

Thanks Dave, we have a hundred or so window cleaners a week come into our place and the vast majority prefer a heavier brush with bigger splay. It's pretty easy to come out with a lightweight brush -reduce the stock and have less bristles. But with a bigger splay, etc and with a little extra weight you can cover a vastly increased area in far less time..... Interesting stuff

[Stephen Fox]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!!

Now that IS a bad brush!!

?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do.

[Dave Willis]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?

Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.

Thanks Dave, we have a hundred or so window cleaners a week come into our place and the vast majority prefer a heavier brush with bigger splay. It's pretty easy to come out with a lightweight brush -reduce the stock and have less bristles. But with a bigger splay, etc and with a little extra weight you can cover a vastly increased area in far less time..... Interesting stuff

Then I'd probably buy a wide Extreme brush or stick my Superlight flocked on.
Hundreds of windowcleaners buy dreadful fibreglass poles too - god knows why.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

If you spend all day cleaning windows at low angles, above conservatories etc the weight or lack of it is the key. This is the reason Extreme brushes and Extreme poles are what everyone needs. If you are cleaning commercial where the action of the pole is simply up and down the glass then maybe a heavier brush isn't quite so bad. Is this why you make your poles heavier than Gardiners?

Most of us have more than one brush so we can select the best one for the job - there's plenty to choose from in the Gardiners range after all.

Thanks Dave, we have a hundred or so window cleaners a week come into our place and the vast majority prefer a heavier brush with bigger splay. It's pretty easy to come out with a lightweight brush -reduce the stock and have less bristles. But with a bigger splay, etc and with a little extra weight you can cover a vastly increased area in far less time..... Interesting stuff

That's where you're wrong Foxy, it's actually very difficult to make a lightweight brush that is effective & fit for purpose.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!!

Now that IS a bad brush!!

?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do.

Well that's funny Stevie boy, YOU told me personally that the Salmon/Hillbrush -ProWindow effort that you sold (or still sell I don't know?) was indeed a joint venture between you & them!!!

I bought it based on the fact they were made to "your" spec & it had to be the worst brush ever produced for purpose- in every way!!

[Lee GLS]

Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .

Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !

I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long  enough, especially with hot water.

The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.

I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.

Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.

With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?

Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf

Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.

I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.

I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,

I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes  perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush 

Hi Lee

I will email you regarding a brush I want you to try.

Sounds interesting. 

[Stephen Fox]

Out of interest and research.... how do people find the Extreme brush? It is comparable to a toothbrush too most brushes on the market with a very small scrubbing area. If you can clean a window in half the time with a little extra weight why wouldn't you?

They are are approx 200 times better than that Salmon jobby you had input into!!

Now that IS a bad brush!!

?? Winpro, thanks for your pointless post. Funny enough, you haven't seen a brush I've had input to. Look forward to your comments when you do.

Well that's funny Stevie boy, YOU told me personally that the Salmon/Hillbrush -ProWindow effort that you sold (or still sell I don't know?) was indeed a joint venture between you & them!!!

I bought it based on the fact they were made to "your" spec & it had to be the worst brush ever produced for purpose- in every way!!

Winpro I think your getting confused my friend, the WFP pro brush has been around before we took them on, it was certainly not a 'joint venture' I know at least two companies who sold them before we did.

I think your mistaking it for the sill saver brush, which is completely different.

[dd]

Where do you buy the tecbuk brushes?

[Mike #1]

The blue inner bristles could be the very thing i have been waiting for . The problem i have is when cleaning a window with stubborn bird muck on from the side .

I have about 15 houses in one street with large rectangle bays and on one side up the upper bay window i have to clean them from the side over the gardens from a public footpath . And it can take 3-4 times of soaking and scrubbing and doubling back before i can shift it completely .

Cleaning from the side above connys etc as we all know you cant apply as much pressure as front on which makes bird muck harder to shift . which on above mentioned street is a pain so any improvement to help with this would be great . Mike

[Lee GLS]

Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .

Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !

I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long  enough, especially with hot water.

The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.

I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.

Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.

With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?

Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf

Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.

I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.

I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,

I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes  perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush 

Hi Lee

I will email you regarding a brush I want you to try.

Sounds interesting. 

Hi Alex, did you send an email? I wasn't sure if I missed it.