[gavinb]

Just found a video on youtube of the new gardiners brushes that are coming out very soon .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slp5CoBiTlc

[steven ainger]

Looks good,

I'd be very interested in trialing one for Alex using hot water
( if your reading this Alex )  

[kempy]

Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .

Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !

I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

[Lee GLS]

Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .

Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !

I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long  enough, especially with hot water.

The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.

I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.

[kempy]

Yeah the Quik loq is probably good , all I wanted to buy was a new 10" carbon neck , but I must buy the whole lot now .
You can't just buy the 10"carbon neck , had to get the 14" and that was a mistake for domestic heights . I will have to buy the full Quik loq 10" carbon neck for the  1 brush that I will have a gardiners CILL brush on .

But the gardiner brushes ATM are just terrible in durability and scrubbing power compared to the Tecbuk .
Competition at last

What I have done and I got the idea from someone else , Is I used a grinder and I took loads of the black stock off . I went really close to the bristles this
Reduces weight - now not a issue
Reduces banging against the window frame

Also a new Tecbuk is coming out , a carbon fibre housing/stock . So will be LIGHT and well made and scrubbing power .
Sounds very good if true

[Lee GLS]

I saw that he was bringing one out, but it sound like it's going to cost quite a bit too.

I've got a new 10" gooseneck I was going to put on eBay. It's the one you screw to your brush, £25 inc postage.

[Nick_Thompson]

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But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

Hi Kempy!

I'd be one of them, "others".

I think that, as a company, their research and development is only surpassed by their innovation; I can't think where we'd be without their contribution to the industry.

The issues that you have concerning durability and scrubbing, should be weighed in the light of attempts to achieve an ever lighter brush, wouldn't you say?

[kempy]

A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .

A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .

New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system

[Alex Gardiner]

A great company done well .
But a light brush isn't the be and end all .
Having a Slightly heavier brush does assist in cleaning and we're not as exactly talking a brick weight difference .
I need a brush that scrubs well , and lasts a longer time than the gardiners one .
Saves me money and a better clean .
My opioion that's all .
The gardiner ones are that light they obviously lose the other important factors such as ability to scrub and last long .
Go any lighter and why , be like having a feather on the end of the pole .

A fair few have changed to other brushes , but gardiners will still get my business from time to time but not as much
Variety is the good and now there's competition in the Wfp market .

New poles from aqua adaptor look impressive - a good clamping system

Hi Kempy

Just to clarify, looking back at your brush buying history from us so far this year, you seem to be basing your comments on all of our brush range (15 brushes) on just the purchase of the Sill Soft brushes. This brush is our least robust brush and is not indicative of the life span and scrubbing ability of the rest of our brush range as many of our clients will attest to.

We originally had this brush made for those that wanted a very soft brush and still wanted to clean sills. We are now phasing this brush out as in my opinion is just too soft a brush especially in the radius sill design and cannot offer the longevity that our brushes typically offer.

[Alex Gardiner]

Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .

Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !

I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long  enough, especially with hot water.

The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.

I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.

Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.

With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?

Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf

[Alex Gardiner]

Looks good,

I'd be very interested in trialing one for Alex using hot water
( if your reading this Alex )  

Thanks Steven - I'll keep you in mind next time 

[[GQC] Tim]

I've found that a big factor in brush longevity is to not pull out any bristles ends that have started to come out. If you just clip them or refrain from pulling them out the brushes last much much longer.

[kempy]

I've  had other gardiner brushes and know others that use the other kinds .
Just my opinion and maybe a few others , just I prefere others now that's all.

The whole wfp industry is good and now competitive , I now source all my bits from various suppliers , I use pure freedom , aqua adaptor , gardiners and a few other not primarily wfp suppliers for other stuff.

I've recently got a new 18ft pole made up from various manufacturers , tweaked to my liking .

[kempy]

I've got the white med one and that is better than the black and that will be my chill brush from now on . I have had other gardiner brushes before the cill range ones came out .

[johnny bravo]

alex,   im after a cill brush to try out,     mainly for domestic  with the upvc sills + frames,     at the moment ive been using the superlite white brush for the last year,    its good but i think a cill brush will get more crap off cills with less   effort.
which would you advise on for domestics.     and an all rounder.
 its either a cill brush or a s/lite    dual trim medium mixed

[Alex Gardiner]

alex,   im after a cill brush to try out,     mainly for domestic  with the upvc sills + frames,     at the moment ive been using the superlite white brush for the last year,    its good but i think a cill brush will get more crap off cills with less   effort.
which would you advise on for domestics.     and an all rounder.
 its either a cill brush or a s/lite    dual trim medium mixed

A Radius Sill brush is a lot easier to get to sills with.

If you have been using the all-white DT Super-Lite brush then the Sill Stiff ( http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/The-Super-Lite--Radius-Sill-Brush-Flat-Trim-Stiff-Bristles--Red--BRUSH_SLSILL_DTSTIFF.html) is very similar - However the Sill Medium Mixed is probably a better brush for overall ease of cleaning - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/the-super-lite-radius-sill-brush-dual-trim-medium-bristles-white.html

If sills are not the main priority then a Super-Lite DT Medium-Mixed is an excellent all-round brush on windows and frames - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/the-super-lite-brush-dual-trim-medium-mixed-bristles.html

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I had a medium mixed Xtreme brush last 12 months of constant use!!

Wouldn't even consider any other brush now regardless of longevity. 

[Clever Forum Name]

If Alex would make a sill brush weighing 160ish grams with white bristles and the new blue ones you would have an unbeatable brush.


Those blue bristles are awesome!

[Lee GLS]

Can't be any worse than the current bunch of brushes . The ones ATM only last a few months until there very well worn. . They look very cheaply made . I still buy one brush for my 5 poles and that's a CILL brush so that I have that to do certain domestic cills .
I use the Teckbuk now as there a lot more durable , awesome scrubbing power and last longer . Heavier but at least u can feel it cleaning .

Gardiners certainly need to improve their brushes and maybe these are better !

I lost a lot of interest in gardiners stuff with the constant upgrading of clamps , 3rd generation now , and now all this Quik loq stuff . Never ending with them .
But that's my opioion and others will think the exact opposite to me

Ive just bought another Tekbuk brush, the black one, they are too heavy, but like you said the gardiner brushes just do not last long  enough, especially with hot water.

The website says they are suitable for 60deg heat, i have mine at 40 deg, and the bristles still go out of shape in no time.

I will have to disagree on the quic loc though, i think that they are brilliant and make life so much easier.

Glad you like the QuicK-LoQ range.

With regard to hot water use which brushes were you using with hot water?

Ideally for hot water use, the Stiff version of each brush is the most suitable for hot water use - the most suited to hot water use overall is the Super-Lite DT Stiff. We have produced a guide to try and help users navigate which of our extensive range of brushes is best suited for the type of work and water used - http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Brush%20Guide%20Chart%20August%202013.pdf

Hi Alex, I've used tj extreme medium mixed, both the old and new style, the older one lasted longer than the current one, then I got the standard xtreme which lasted longer, but the bristles soon started going out of shape and I've used the DT medium mixed, and again the bristles soon started going out of shape.

I have tried the stiff DT, but I am not keen on it.

I realise the problem lies with using hot water, but the perfect brush for this is not out there, I want an extreme brush that has more tightly packed bristles which might help stop the bristles going out of shape,

I've decided to give the black aerial brush ago as they have thicker bristles but doesn't require much pressure on the glass, unfortunately they way a lot more than the extremes  perhaps you could make a specific hot water extreme brush 

[kempy]

Yes I think  I will buy the mixed white medium strength bristles from now on only as I have that one already and it lasts longer than that black soft one.